Pika Q&A/FAQ Thread: Ask a Quick Question, Get a Quick Answer!

[Stealth Raptor]

should be simple enough to do some tests, record, and compare any trajectory changes

 

[Ussi]

I don't think its Prime either, I run into this with Ike's bair too..

 

[PZ]

You mean rising bair and ff bair?

 

[Ussi]

Whenever i jump bair out of a dash, i tend to get favorable kill tragectory.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Maybe the back of nair has a lower trajectory in general? Can't you brawlbox that?

 

[infiniteV115]

Why does Pikachu seem to have 2 different pivot grabs?
With 1, he barely slides while grabbing
With the other, he slides significantly while grabbing
(I've done both of these with the same input, or what seems to be the same input to me. run, press back, Z immediately after)

I don't know much about pivot grabs, but I haven't noticed this with any other characters. Is this Pikachu-exclusive? Also, since it seems that the one that slides further is universally better, how can I make sure to do that one only? Is it completely timing-dependant?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Yeah, it's just timing dependent. I don't know why we have that honestly...it isn't even a boost pivot grab...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

it is kinda like one though. you can reverse fthrow cgs on heavy chars unless they are mashing jump lol

 

[Nordal]

If they can escape then it's not a chaingrab >_>

 

[Stealth Raptor]

no but it is still useful to reverse the cg if they are not mashing jump. i was using this on a lot of chars before the buffered dthrow was found. my favorite targets were wolf and snake, alas i dont need to fthrow anymore

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Snake should just be grenading anyway..........

 

[Cassio]

It might work on DDD since he has such a low second hop. Thats probably the character Ive done it to most and it might be most useful for. Maybe DK too.

But yeah Im curious about how the different reverse grabs work or if boost pivoting it affects it somehow.

 

[PZ]

Pivoting or turning adds 2 or 3 frames to whatever order you cook up that you could have done normally with the regular.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

And the fact that you have to run past them...which is easily 6-8 frames...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

however long the pivot grab is is how long my turn around pivot grab is. i can do a full sliding pivot grab from a stand still. i dont run at. if any of you have seen me sitting idly at a brawl setup with noone to play i will be doing it to fox LOL

 

[infiniteV115]

I know this sounds silly due to Pikachu's lack of range, but...
Would you guys agree that Pikachu is one of the most spacing-intensive characters in the game?

I find that if I don't pay significant attention to spacing, I do terribly

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

*shrugs* I can't tell if I do super particular spacing, so if you watch and I do, then yes. If not, no.

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I've never seen it help, and I've tried.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

If you just jump and use the C-stick to hit bair, you'll notice pika moves back a bit. So while it may momentum cancel, it probably adds it's own momentum to it as well. Not the best thing.

 

[global-wolf]

I sometimes bair accidentally when I'm mashing the cstick up and I end up dying way earlier than if I had uaired.

 

[PEACE7]

Does pikachu have any kind of chaingrab bs on marth?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

no we do not sadly

 

[PEACE7]

Alright cool thanks man.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

We can do it on some slants, but not in general

 

[PEACE7]

Wait can you explain the slant thing please

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Slants make F-throw CGs better since they won't be in the air and be able to jump away/they will have a few more frames of lag as they land. I CG'd Kadaj on Castle Siege for 2 grabs because the stage was slanted.

 

[PEACE7]

Alright got you thanks man that's what I needed.

 

[Kuro~]

~ what % does upair nair become unviable? And uhhh is there a way to not lag on landing after you QAC? I always get hard landing lag afterwards like there's some sort of weird RCO **** going on.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

it is viable well over a hundred, especially if you keep your uair stale

 

[Kuro~]

Hmm but it has to be stale right? Cuz when ever i did up-air after the cg it would send em too far to nair right after.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Pika has RCO lag on the 2nd half of the first direction of QA and on the entirety of the 2nd part (Like if you grab the ledge from the first half of the first direction you won't get it).

YOu could always QA away and you probably won't be punished, or you could just stay grounded until you hit them away, then SH and FF to get rid of it.

Are you talking about doing it on a Falco or something? Just U-smash or nair them straight out of it, don't bother with the technical uair nair stuffs, it isn't worth it.

 

[Kuro~]

Oh ya ik. Naw i was just asking in general if it has to be stale when they're at higher percents to work.


@QA thing ok thanks. Ya i was just wondering if there was ways around getting it from QAC. Now i know~

 

[Kuro~]

Are there any good vids for the d3 mu? I couldn't really find much besides mr.doom's ddd vs someone. Any general guidelines/outline i can read for it?

 

[Kuro~]

Also what visual cue do you guys use when doing the dthrow cg?

 

[PZ]

When pika touches the ground...

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I guess you could reference me vs Seibrik from a while ago...I wish that me vs Atomsk or me vs Coney (me vs coney were friendlies) was recorded because those would be more recent.

Also, I don't use a visual cue anymore since I'm so used to it, but it would be when Pikachu touches the ground after he does his flips in the air lol

 

[Kuro~]

Ya i use when he does that little flip in the air after slamming them and was just curious.


@Esam damn that sucks

 

[Cassio]

This thread might help: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=279480

Also uair nair works depending on which part of the tail hits and what frame. In general it works for quite awhile.

RCO happens from a full length QA1 and after. QAC will always have RCO, but if you land with an aerial the RCO is reduced but still occurs. Landing with b moves like jolt will prevent RCO, but the RCO will stay with you until you land again. Landing with another QA I believe prevents RCO, but you still have to deal with QA's cooldown. Also if you have RCO your aerial mobility is reduced.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=252451

 

[PikaForLife]

is Fairing into an opponent>Utilt legit? cause if i try it they ps it and the Dthrow>Utilt at 0% doesnt seem to work for me either.. they just jump out of it. i think i am buffering it wrong but i got no problem with buffering the Dthrow (cg) or buffering a Nair or Usmash after Dthrow...