Phantom Hits Tournament Southampton : 10th-11th April Inertia's not Dead

[Inertia123]

Yeah looking back it does look like a direct divide It wasn't very well laid out but basically I was interested in what people want on and what people want off. I personally am not too bothered whats on and off I just wanted people opinions.

It would be really good if you could come to this as well Ed.

Tournament Schedule has also been updated or moved around or something.

 

[Dacacia]

Dacacia - Alot of people coming to your tournament are travelling as far as you are if not further eg ive got a extra two hours on top and the scots alot more

lol I know a lot of people have further to travel, but I kinda figured as one of the tournament hosts I wouldn't have to for this one

Also, the map link on the OP stilll isn't working for me...

 

[Inertia123]

lol I know a lot of people have further to travel, but I kinda figured as one of the tournament hosts I wouldn't have to for this one

Also, the map link on the OP stilll isn't working for me...

Made the map public. Did you check the two boxes so it shows the map/locations? Try again now anyway see if it works. If notI give up with that.....

 

[Professor Pro]

I should be coming to this so save a ticket for me Charles/

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I think all the stages you mentioned should be on Inertia but in return you should make sets go to best of 5 quicker in the bracket, as with harder counterpicks winning the first match is more important in a best of 3 but less detrimental over 5 games with daves stupid rule on!

 

[rustediron]

GGT random stages were good, and I think having all those stages on counter would be nice. Though I agree with Kone in that Corneria and Pokéfloats are a bit foxy =/

EDIT: Can we have Termina on for teams? :D

 

[Inertia123]

I think all the stages you mentioned should be on Inertia but in return you should make sets go to best of 5 quicker in the bracket, as with harder counterpicks winning the first match is more important in a best of 3 but less detrimental over 5 games with daves stupid rule on!

Problem with introducing 5 game sets earlier is obviously the time factor, but I do understand what your saying. I'll have a look nearer the time maybe when we've got a better idea of how many people are coming.

GGT random stages were good, and I think having all those stages on counter would be nice. Though I agree with Kone in that Corneria and Pokéfloats are a bit foxy =/

EDIT: Can we have Termina on for teams? :D

If we're taking off floats and corneria I think mute should really be off as well. Termina can go die in a fire.

 

[Kone]

I dont think mute should be taken off. Unlike corneria, mute can be used by more chars as a counter pick =). However, i aint bothered if all five you mentioned were on. Probs cause less debate if you just opted to have them all on.

 

[Bullet Bill]

I rekon we should do the six stages there were at ALT. FD, Ps, Battlefield, Dreamland, Fountain, Yoshis

 

[VA]

Me and pro don't even counter pick corneria or floats, it's kind of ridiculous removing them when the good fox players don't even pick those stages. We know they are there but prefer things like Battefield or YS. Keep as many stages on as possible, limiting it to six is gay and it's nice to see varitaion.

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I agree with stage variation. I used to like the idea of only neutrals being on but it makes the counterpicking system a lot less effective. There also isn't much wrong with Brinstar, Mute City, Corneria etc. they just take some getting used to, no stage knowledge johns :suess:

What do people think of putting Yoshis Story and FoD on random? I think it heavily favours space animals and probably Marth too but Im interested to hear whats piped up.

 

[Professor Pro]

I agree on more stages. Its nice to see some really good counterpicking occasionaly and vary in tourns. I'm not saying it to benefit because last time when I said it you lot were saying I only wanted it on cos I wanted mute city but I don't play peach now so you idiots can't really say that lol.

I agree on the random stages such as YS and FoD being in the advanatage of space animals and marth so I would like to have the three stages on random and have a WHOLE bunch of the counterpick stages like Mute, Brinstar

 

[Fuzzyness]

i dont even mind using jigglypuff on yoshi story, its all johns imo

 

[COEY]

Nothing wrong with all 6 neutrals, all of them should be on random tbh. And thats not me saying that cause it gives me an advantage, i hate battlefield with a passion. But at the end of the day i can always ban it.

Plus i mean the game already heavily favours space animals above most characters in this game to begin with, and with sheik being above them both making things more interesting is never a bad idea. Yea it might be bad for peach and jiggs players, but who cares they play peach and jiggs right? :s

 

[J03]

the other 3 stages that could be on random (BF, YS and FoD) all have some problems that keep them off the neutral list atm. BF's edges and easy edeguarding, YS for the cloud and shy guys and FoD for the platforms.

well imo PS has the stage changes and DL has the wind so no johns =/

6 randoms imo

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

yeah 6 neutrals would be fine actually and the spacies are the most versatile regardless of what stages are on lol so fair enough!

 

[Jolteon]

i dont even mind using jigglypuff on yoshi story, its all johns imo

lol charles you were complaining about jiggs and mute city, you didn't say it was johns then.

 

[COEY]

These are the stages on at genesis in the summer.

Neutrals:
-Fountain of Dreams
-Pokemon Stadium
-Dream Land
-Final Destination
-Battlefield
-Yoshi's Story

Counterpicks:
-Rainbow Cruise
-Kongo Jungle 64
-Jungle Japes
-Mute City
-Poke Floats
-Corneria
-Brinstar

Looks pretty good to me.

 

[grayfox]

I don't think the problem with yoshis etc not being on neutral normally is that they are widely regarded to not be neutral! Most of the top tiers have an advantage on them, especially the top 4, while on ps, fd and dl64 there is only ever a marginal advantage in most character match ups.

The first match is the most important, especially in a best of 3. I don't want to be gutted by getting fod against a marth or sheik when I'm having the banter with samus

With this April date I'll consider going to this btw, but it is still doubtful given how much of a trek it is.

 

[Kone]

Ryan - come down to my place on the thursday. Chill at mine the night then we'll head down to southampton on friday. Split your journey up that way and itll take alot less in my car then a bus that detours all over the place. me, you, paul, joe n will in the car is good craic

Also, how about we do stage striking then?? I was reading it in the SMACK thread (was posted by marc) and is something im definetly going to implement for my euro tourney. Basically you take it in turns striking a stage from the neutral stages in order of 1,2,2,1 (Player 1, Player 2 - if theres an issue of players wanting to be player 1 decide by rock,paper,scissors). This works best if theres only 5 neutral stages (as it leaves one) so maybe get rid of FoD? lol. Or simply just randomise the last two stages left after striking.

That, to me, seems fairer if its a best of 3 set. Especially if your upping the number of randoms to 6. As a peach player, stares at will >_>, I feel badly done by with battlefield/yoshi/FoD on random esp if playing a marth :/

uhm, urgh, jungle japes? no sireee please >_>

Shutup charles lol

 

[J03]

as for randoms, it doesnt really matter if the random stages are 'neutral' or advantagous the only matter is what we want on lol.

the 3 randoms are nice stages and the other 3 are nice stages, **** the techno babbling plox

 

[Kone]

your entire post makes no ****ing sense joe :/. The entire point of the discussion is what people think should be the neutral stages. Evidently, your post suggests that it should be 6 cos there all 'nice'. I dont find them all nice tho

 

[grayfox]

Of course it matters if they are neutral if it doesn't why not put mute city on random; my Samus might get a free counterpick from the off too please

And aye Ed that does sound like good banter, but I think I'll decide closer to the time.

Never heard of this smack banter but it seems interesting

 

[Kone]

Well, marc just posted the idea on the SMACK thread( german tourney in april) , think its something the backroom have been discussing.

 

[Fuzzyness]

10 days till i can book X_X

 

[J03]

haha ed, my post meant the exact opposite. all the stages have something 'wrong' with them and all offer advantages/disadvanteges to some of the cast. to try and balance them out is pretty impossible.

the 6 stages on random have been played on **** loads and most peeps know them all **** well.

i meant that out of the 6 it really doesnt matter which are on random.

 

[Kone]

Well me and ryan got your post wrong . Anyway, im not talking about what should be on random, all 6 is fine. Im arguing that the start of the set should be changed from random to stage striking

 

[Bullet Bill]

Yoshi's on random?? I don't think so. Why not FD, PS and Dreamland on random. Yoshi's as a neutral isn't a good choice as it's rly good for some chars and rly bad for others (what Ryan said). The others still have advantages to some chars but no-one particularly suffers on them.

 

[J03]

its post like bens taht i was targeting lol. i dont care how neutral the neutral stages are, YS is good times and no johns ben

Ed: i agree that striking is the way forward

 

[Bullet Bill]

lol what are you on Joe? Oh yeah. Anyway, I agree with you that all stages are good/ bad for certain chars but the three randoms (FD, PS and DL) are a lot more balanced and will never give a rly unfair game for a particular matchup -which I don't want to happen to anyone.

 

[Inertia123]

Had a read through and the thing that seems to be the most sensible option in my opinion would be stage striking. I'd already read all the stuff about it in the Smack thread but then forgot about it. Stage striking basically ends up with the stage thats most neutral to the matchup, or the stage the players want to play on the most first.

This would also deal with Zeppo's point of not having more counters due to the fact that first stage random matters so much (I think this sentence makes sense ). Stage striking does seem to be the way to go imo.

I know everyone knows all the stages Joe but the problem is that some matchups can be a lot harder for one character which I believe stage striking solves.

Me and Dacacia are also drinking fanta banter right now. Got it from a random take away.

 

[brawler_pit]

"Melee Only Tournament" ? ****it, would come if Brawl was dere :@

 

[J03]

then dont come =@

 

[Bullet Bill]

"Melee Only Tournament" ? ****it, would come if Brawl was dere :@

seriously learn melee. It's a great game

 

[Inertia123]

I agree why post here if you don't want to play melee? Do you expect me to change the tournament so I can get the world famous brawler_pit to come?

Stage selection added. Stage striking is going to be used. Its near the bottom of the first post.

Edit :

seriously learn melee. It's a great game

QFT

 

[Kone]

I really dont think that you need stage striking for doubles to be honest :/. Character matchups are no where near as important. Random should suffice and save time during the doubles tournament?

Also, just in case people are being arsey about striking first, have player 1/2 decided by rock/paper/scissors

Ed

 

[Professor Pro]

I agree why post here if you don't want to play melee? Do you expect me to change the tournament so I can get the world famous brawler_pit to come?

Stage selection added. Stage striking is going to be used. Its near the bottom of the first post.

Edit :
QFT

I agree

looooooool

 

[Bullet Bill]

I really dont think that you need stage striking for doubles to be honest :/. Character matchups are no where near as important. Random should suffice and save time during the doubles tournament?

Also, just in case people are being arsey about striking first, have player 1/2 decided by rock/paper/scissors

Ed

agreed____

 

[rustediron]

"Melee Only Tournament" ? ****it, would come if Brawl was dere :@

Loool, come anyway :D
Melee is an awesome game.

 

[Mattsy]

This looks good; I'll try to make it.