Roxas215
Smash Lord
PEACH!!!
Peach+ An overview!!
Brawl+ Is the future! It was originally conceived as a way to make brawl a more tournament viable and competitive game. The MAIN change from vbrawl to brawl+ is the added hitstun. This single factor alone has buffed many chars into being tournament viable and peach is no exception. In vbrawl she was one of the few chars who had "legit combos" Most of them depending on dair to start it off. Brawl+ takes this aspect of her and just buffs it in so many ways.
Lets talk about how she differs from her vbrawl counterpart. Actually not much has changed. She feels faster but this is cause of the faster paced gravity. Not because of peach herself. With the added hitstun not only does she have many options out of dair but she has tons of tilt-grab to air options as well. Dthrow to jab to fthrow to nair is one of my fav combos. But don't get it twisted. Her game still relies heavily on her floating and dair. Also with the added hitstun true turnip combos are possible!
Noticble peach buffs includes her bomber(which is actually a kill move now) and she received a buffed dsmash(basically stole rob's lol) With the no auto sweetspot and her floating abilities her edgeguard game is way better then it was in vbrawl(which was good anyway)
Peach still has her problems landing a ko. Even with no stale moves she is not killing reliably until around the 130 mark. This isn't necessarily a bad thing though as peach can rack up the damage quickly. I have landed 40-70% combos easily(Especially against the heavies)
Alot of people ask about FC(Float Cancel) and if it's back. There's no need for FC since her aerials have little to no lag this time around...and I'm talking about Brawl. With Brawl+'s faster aerials it's even better!
Peach Changes
(As of the 7-10 beta)
Peach
-Peach Bomber 24 BKB, 79 KBG (slight readjustment)
-Peach dair last two hitboxes 120 to 80 growth
-Peach Downsmash 50 base from 38 and 7 damage from 5
Physics Changes:
Shorthop: 0.950
Fullhop: 1.050
Fastfall: 1.200
Downgravity: 1.175
UpGravity: 1.1
Advantages:
* Floating(Duh)
* One of the most combo oriented chars in the game
* Good Projectile with the chance of plucking beam sword,bombomb,stitch face,or Mr Saturn
* Great edgeguard ability
* No Stale moves(this really helps out peach)
* Above average recovery
* Crazy Rushdown and Shieldattack Game(Seriously if played right you will be breaking many a shield!)
* ***** Fox(Being that fox is arguably the best in the game this is a huge incentive for maining or even using peach as a secondary)
Disadvantages:
* Horrible UP B fall speed
* Recovery is easy to punish
* Her projectiles can be used against her
* Light and dies relatively early compared to the rest of the cast
* Horrible second jump height(although it does have it's uses)
* Hard to combo light weights at higher percentages
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Here's a list of her moves as well as pros and cons! Thanks Yaaay!!!
Here are some vids of brawl+ peach in action
Phillyrider(Peach) Vs Rion(Zelda) Brawl 7/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ih2eB5zbUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ed9cla96F0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_njoNrE_BY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teYGuCDNeqI
5ive(Pikachu) Vs Painted Ghost(Peach)
Here's a set featuring Painted Ghost's Peach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN45c-9TQ3s&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rDuKOpyZ4&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjnIjjNysEs&fmt=18
Dark Peach(Peach) vs. Yes! (Fox) MM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRWPPvgLtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lBwqHgdjk
Slikvik(Peach) vs. Yes!(Fox) Tourney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMgezOJVm8
SlikVik(Peach) vs Jcaesar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJmmGVnsEBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jG6y8R61E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqtFtYG65Y
Will Continue!!
Peach+ An overview!!
Brawl+ Is the future! It was originally conceived as a way to make brawl a more tournament viable and competitive game. The MAIN change from vbrawl to brawl+ is the added hitstun. This single factor alone has buffed many chars into being tournament viable and peach is no exception. In vbrawl she was one of the few chars who had "legit combos" Most of them depending on dair to start it off. Brawl+ takes this aspect of her and just buffs it in so many ways.
Lets talk about how she differs from her vbrawl counterpart. Actually not much has changed. She feels faster but this is cause of the faster paced gravity. Not because of peach herself. With the added hitstun not only does she have many options out of dair but she has tons of tilt-grab to air options as well. Dthrow to jab to fthrow to nair is one of my fav combos. But don't get it twisted. Her game still relies heavily on her floating and dair. Also with the added hitstun true turnip combos are possible!
Noticble peach buffs includes her bomber(which is actually a kill move now) and she received a buffed dsmash(basically stole rob's lol) With the no auto sweetspot and her floating abilities her edgeguard game is way better then it was in vbrawl(which was good anyway)
Peach still has her problems landing a ko. Even with no stale moves she is not killing reliably until around the 130 mark. This isn't necessarily a bad thing though as peach can rack up the damage quickly. I have landed 40-70% combos easily(Especially against the heavies)
Alot of people ask about FC(Float Cancel) and if it's back. There's no need for FC since her aerials have little to no lag this time around...and I'm talking about Brawl. With Brawl+'s faster aerials it's even better!
Peach Changes
(As of the 7-10 beta)
Peach
-Peach Bomber 24 BKB, 79 KBG (slight readjustment)
-Peach dair last two hitboxes 120 to 80 growth
-Peach Downsmash 50 base from 38 and 7 damage from 5
Physics Changes:
Shorthop: 0.950
Fullhop: 1.050
Fastfall: 1.200
Downgravity: 1.175
UpGravity: 1.1
Advantages:
* Floating(Duh)
* One of the most combo oriented chars in the game
* Good Projectile with the chance of plucking beam sword,bombomb,stitch face,or Mr Saturn
* Great edgeguard ability
* No Stale moves(this really helps out peach)
* Above average recovery
* Crazy Rushdown and Shieldattack Game(Seriously if played right you will be breaking many a shield!)
* ***** Fox(Being that fox is arguably the best in the game this is a huge incentive for maining or even using peach as a secondary)
Disadvantages:
* Horrible UP B fall speed
* Recovery is easy to punish
* Her projectiles can be used against her
* Light and dies relatively early compared to the rest of the cast
* Horrible second jump height(although it does have it's uses)
* Hard to combo light weights at higher percentages
Here's a list of her moves as well as pros and cons! Thanks Yaaay!!!
Nair
Pros
- Comes out really quickly.
- Zero lag when auto-cancelled.
- Hitbox lasts long.
- Amazing for edgeguarding.
- Good kill move, especially when edgeguarding.
- Good combo move
- Pillaring is fun and effective.
- Very hard to punish when auto-cancelled well.
- Great-GTFO-me move
- Can eat shields
Cons
- Small hitbox.
Fair
Pros
- Great kill move, her most reliable one, especially since it doesnt stale anymore!
- Very little to no lag when auto-cancelled
- Nice hitbox.
- Okay for edgeguarding.
Cons
- Slow start-up.
Bair
Pros
- Comes out quickly.
- Zero lag when auto cancelled.
- Nice hitbox too.
- Great for edgeguarding.
- Good combo move.
- Has a strong and weak hitbox: the strong one can be used for killing and edgeguarding, the weak one for combo's (Bair > Ftilt is an example)
- Great fot spacing.
- Very hard to punish, especially when auto-cancelled well.
Cons
I cant think of any. If you can, tell.
Uair
Pros
- Good hitstun
- Excellent for juggling and comboing.
- Pretty quick
- Can kill well if you're close to the upper ceiling.
Cons
- Awful edgeguarding move.
- It's pretty bad when close to the ground or when floating close the the ground, especially compared to her other aerials.
Dair
Pros
- Fast and lasts long
- Too good for combo's
- Too good combo starter]
- Very hard to punish
- Good GTFO move
- Wrecks shields
Cons
- ... You cant kill with it? Though that's not really a con, since it isn't meant for killing.
- Can be SDI'ed at certain %.
Ftilt
Pros
- Good range
- Three different hitboxes for three different purposes:
* The close sweetspot hitbox: This one kills vertically well. 13%
* The distant hitbox: Doesn't kill very well, but good for combos. 10%
* The late hitbox: Doesn't kill at all, but awesome for combos. 6%
- Fast start-up (I think 6 frames)
- Good hitstun
- Can repeatedly combo into itself
Cons
- Start-up is good, the ending lag isn't. You can get punished badly.
- Pretty annoying if you get the wrong hitbox.
Examples of combos
- Ftilt repeatedly
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Utilt
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Usmash
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Uair > Uair ....
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Nair/Bair/Fair
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Dair ...
- Dthrow > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
- Dsmash > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
- Bair > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
- Uthrow > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ... [ only at very low %'s] [ only vs. heavy or fastfallers ]
- Dtilt > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
- Frying Pan > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
Dtilt
Pros
- Great range
- Great for combos
- Incredible hitstun
- Good for edgeguarding
- Can spike (but don't count it, happens very rarely)
- Can slide
Cons
- A bit slow
- Slide can also be at your disadvantage if you want to combo
Examples of combos
- Dtilt > Any aerial [ Seriously, the hitstun is really great ]
- Dtilt > Dtilt (> Dtilt) > Ftilt (repeatedly) > ...
- To keep a long story short:
* At low %'s (approx. 50-) Dtilt can combo into almost anything.
* At higher %'s Dtilt still can easily combo into an aerial.
* If the % gets too high, try an Uair or a turnip or just bait them or something.
Utilt
Pros
- Hitbox is insane!
- Good hitstun (again)
- Can kill at higher %
- Pretty quick
- Beats every Dair and almost everything else
- Good combo finisher
Cons
- Utilt has only one purpose: hitting someone who is up you. And well, it fulfills his task well, so no cons for this one. (Though you might say that a con of Utilt is that it has only one purpose)
Examples of Combos
- Dtilt > Utilt [ Keep in mind that Dtilt can slide ]
- Dtiltslide > Utilt [ ... If you don't mind the slide, Utilt is a great option, it has a long slide ]
- Ftilt (repeatedly) > Utilt
- Dthrow > Utilt
- Uthrow > Utilt [ Very low %'s only ] [ Only works on certain characters ]
- Frying Pan > Utilt
- Usmash > Utilt [ Very low %'s only ]
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Awesome, that's great! Keep it up ;d
I feel like discussing her moves again. I've already done these:
(feel free to correct or discuss or whatever)
Let's talk about her smashes
Fsmash
Pros
- Unpredictable.
- Can kill well overall.
- Wall of very high priority.
- Can be used defensively, as well as agressively (though it's better defensively)
- Tennis Racket's sweetspot is very powerful.
- Golf Club has great range, while still being powerful.
- Pan can kill decently, but it can also combo at lower %'s and it deals a good amount of damage.
Cons
- Unpredictability can also work in your disadvantage (not a big problem though, don't worry about ;p)
- Tennis Racket sucks if it isn't sweetspotted.
- Pan has poor range.
- A bit slow, making it harder to use agressively.
Examples of combos
- Pan > Any aerial.
- Pan > Ftilt
- Pan > Utilt
It is somewhat hard to combo with it though, since it's unpredictable.
Usmash
Pros
- Very strong when sweetspotted.
- Good combo potential when sourspotted.
Cons
- Good luck sweetspotting it.
- Slower than it looks (hits on frame 14).
Dsmash
Pros
- Quick.
- Good and long-lasting hitbox around her.
- Deals some good damage.
- Great shield-poker.
- Good for stagespiking.
Cons
- Damage isn't so good when you only hit once.
Discuss :D
Here are some vids of brawl+ peach in action
Phillyrider(Peach) Vs Rion(Zelda) Brawl 7/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ih2eB5zbUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ed9cla96F0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_njoNrE_BY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teYGuCDNeqI
5ive(Pikachu) Vs Painted Ghost(Peach)
Here's a set featuring Painted Ghost's Peach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN45c-9TQ3s&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1rDuKOpyZ4&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjnIjjNysEs&fmt=18
Dark Peach(Peach) vs. Yes! (Fox) MM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIRWPPvgLtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4lBwqHgdjk
Slikvik(Peach) vs. Yes!(Fox) Tourney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMgezOJVm8
SlikVik(Peach) vs Jcaesar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJmmGVnsEBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jG6y8R61E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqtFtYG65Y
Will Continue!!