Peach+ Get Pimpslapped!

[Roxas215]

So, word on the street is Peach is a Kirby counter. I was wondering what the peach+ community thinks of this belief.

Hell no. Who said that? Why would peach be a kirby counter?? His bair kills everything peach has plus not to mention fsmash kills peach at like 90%. Charizard might wind up to be a kirby counter.

 

[THO]

We were playing Brawl+ at H.E.R.B and m2k claims that peach beats kirby. Of course he's only played the game for like two or three days, but still, he thinks its in peach's favor.

 

[grim mouser]

I'd have to say Kirby is favorable against Peach. <_<

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I'd say peach wins due to better range.


And btw they're turnips, not radishes. :D

 

[Meru.]

Not so Kirby experienced but I can see that happening. Now we're talking about match-ups, what are Peach's bad match-ups, except Meta Knight and Marth?

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Kirby has very competitive range, much moreso than Peach. There's a reason he can contend with MK and Snake well.

His Bair is a ***** for Peach to get around.

 

[Meru.]

Turnips and Utilt and Peach's Aerials work quite well. But yeah, it's still annoying... But is that the only reason? o.o

 

[Roxas215]

We were playing Brawl+ at H.E.R.B and m2k claims that peach beats kirby. Of course he's only played the game for like two or three days, but still, he thinks its in peach's favor.

M2K also played brawl+ at kaylo's tournament a while ago and thought that ike was the best in the game.

 

[THO]

yeah, i talked to him about that. The way it seemed at first was that kirby's bair goes through everything peach has (unless you just hit kirby's bair with the crown of peach's fair, then they clink). So kirby would just spam bair. But what happens is when kirby bairs he doesn't really have that much aerial mobility so if kirby bairs and peach is in the air floating, she can punish with a fair if she starts it right after kirby starts his attack. What ended up happening in all are matches is we both would just wait until one of us threw out an attack early and just punish. So its pretty even there, just a waiting game, except that peach is also throwing radishes this whole time and so she can out camp kirby, this is why m2k thinks she has the advantage.

I'm not saying I agree, kirby edge guards peach like no bodies business, and can kill her at around 90 with a forwards smash, and she can't to much to him off the edge and can't kill him till above 120. So I'm not really sure who has the advantage.

 

[Meru.]

SH Dair > Usmash. Probably not guaranteed, because I could only test this on CPUs But if someone can test if this works, it'd be great.

Credit goes to my own CPU lvl 9, because that b**** actually pulled this off against me.

 

[Meru.]

Bumpy.

Will we get a Fthrow buff? I know we're not supposed to discuss buffs, but someone had to ask...

 

[Roxas215]

SH Dair > Usmash. Probably not guaranteed, because I could only test this on CPUs But if someone can test if this works, it'd be great.

Credit goes to my own CPU lvl 9, because that b**** actually pulled this off against me.

You can di out of it but people usually don't expect it. I pull sh dair to usmash off numerous times in matches. It ***** fast fallers.

Edit got some good peach vids recorded. The quailty isn't the greatest(Recorded with my digital camera) But it sill shows how much win peach is in b+ lol. Should have them up by the end of the night.

 

[Sanu]

My peach > all of yours... and you will experience it's greatness, once Delorted uploads some of our matches xfd

 

[THO]

So what do people thing are the bad match ups for peach in BP. Marth is pretty **** for peach from what i've seen, and lucario is a tough match up. But those both carry over from brawl. Any new matchups to look out for.

 

[Roxas215]

So what do people thing are the bad match ups for peach in BP. Marth is pretty **** for peach from what i've seen, and lucario is a tough match up. But those both carry over from brawl. Any new matchups to look out for.

Marth isn't nearly as bad as it was in vbrawl. I mean it's not in her favor but the matchup is actually winnable now.

Game and watch(aka bair) still ***** peach.

I have a hard time with zelda's overbuffed ***. She completely shuts down peach's float.

Rob and luigi also gives me problems. What yall think?

Never fought a good lucario. However the problem with lucario in vbrawl was stale moves. Peach couldn't land the kill and lucario just gets stronger as he gets more damage. There was nothing about his moveset though that gave peach problems. Now that stale moves isn't a issue and she has more ko options then she did in vbrawl and the fact that she racks up damage very quickly i dont see how the matchup is hard for peach. But again like i said i never fought a good lucario in b+


O and yea pika ***** peach.

 

[GHNeko]

Peach sucks.

Main Daisy guys.

V:

 

[BeepBopRobot]

rob... also gives me problems

The person i play brawl+ against the most (and this is a lot) mains peach. Trust me, rob does not have the advatage against peach. I give it 30:70 peach's favor.

A few reasons why:

Rob lacks kill power. His main way of getting kills is by either..

A) Comboing into it (see dthrow > nair which works on a portion of the cast, or dash attack > usmash which is heavily weight and di dependent)
or B) gimping

Rob's few limited combos do not work against peach, especially ones with proper di, including the two kill comboes. Not to mention running up to peach and dash attacking (which is his main combo starter on most characters) is just dumb because of her shield grab and grab game.

Peach is also very difficult to gimp, or atleast is for rob, who is very predictable in the air.

If you thought rob had limited approaches, just wait till you fight peach...

There is something wrong with rob's shield, in that for specific moves (especially peach's fair, one of her main killers) it can be poked even from full shield. Ive been killed many times by a peach fair, poking through one of rob's full shields.

Peach's ability to float and out range and out-prioritize rob in the air shuts down his air game, and also allows peach to maneuver into rob's 2 blindspots with ease. She is also one of the few characters that can effectively chase down his roll dodge and spot dodges.

With the (unnecessary?) peach dsmash buff, and (unnecessary?) rob dsmash nerf, you will see that peach's > rob's dsmash, which is one of his strongest points...

Peach's huge shieldstun nullify's rob's shield grab game, another one of his key points.

Really all rob can do is camp peach, and he cant even insanely camp her. If he tries to camp her at one side, then go past her and camp her from the other, peach can interecept, and as shown above, rob really cant knock peach away once shes close now can he?

 

[Roxas215]

Ok so here are all my new peach vids. Let me know what yall think.

Phillyrder(Peach) Vs Olive(Zelda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE6AUuLohTA

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs (8Bit) Sheik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alMdqcZ9vZ0

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs Clint(Ness)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLbjxnlvys

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs Sage(Ness)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZBaLCxKtw4

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs Olive(Zss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8yvC-A6dFo

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs TUSM(DDD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fML6oPefnA

Phillyrider(Peach) Vs ZeonStar(Ganon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAByGZnInZA

The person i play brawl+ against the most (and this is a lot) mains peach. Trust me, rob does not have the advatage against peach. I give it 30:70 peach's favor.

A few reasons why:

Rob lacks kill power. His main way of getting kills is by either..

A) Comboing into it (see dthrow > nair which works on a portion of the cast, or dash attack > usmash which is heavily weight and di dependent)
or B) gimping

Rob's few limited combos do not work against peach, especially ones with proper di, including the two kill comboes. Not to mention running up to peach and dash attacking (which is his main combo starter on most characters) is just dumb because of her shield grab and grab game.

Peach is also very difficult to gimp, or atleast is for rob, who is very predictable in the air.

If you thought rob had limited approaches, just wait till you fight peach...

There is something wrong with rob's shield, in that for specific moves (especially peach's fair, one of her main killers) it can be poked even from full shield. Ive been killed many times by a peach fair, poking through one of rob's full shields.

Peach's ability to float and out range and out-prioritize rob in the air shuts down his air game, and also allows peach to maneuver into rob's 2 blindspots with ease. She is also one of the few characters that can effectively chase down his roll dodge and spot dodges.

With the (unnecessary?) peach dsmash buff, and (unnecessary?) rob dsmash nerf, you will see that peach's > rob's dsmash, which is one of his strongest points...

Peach's huge shieldstun nullify's rob's shield grab game, another one of his key points.

Really all rob can do is camp peach, and he cant even insanely camp her. If he tries to camp her at one side, then go past her and camp her from the other, peach can interecept, and as shown above, rob really cant knock peach away once shes close now can he?

I never said rob had the advantage only that i have problems with him. This could just be me personally. Rob can effectively camp peach also his ko options is not as limited as you make it out to be. Fsmash still kills well as well as usmash. All peach has to kill reliably is fair and maybe peach bomber??(which if u get with is your fault)
I would list fsmash but only the golf club kills at any reasonable percent. Peach can combo rob to hell though. And yes her fair does poke through shields(Peach as char ***** shileds anyway lol)

 

[Meru.]

Marth isn't nearly as bad as it was in vbrawl. I mean it's not in her favor but the matchup is actually winnable now.

Marth was a 40-60 or 45-55 in VBrawl. It has always been winnable, and if it's easier in Brawl+, this mathc-up shouldn't be too hard. I've never had problems with Marth in vBrawl anyway. I think this is a 45-55 in Brawl+. Feel free to correct me.

Game and watch(aka bair) still ***** peach.

In vBrawl, when GW did a Bair, you could SDI behind GW and then Bair him. I don't know it works in Brawl+. The match-up was a 45-55 in vBrawl, I think it's a 50-50 in Brawl+.

I have a hard time with zelda's overbuffed ***. She completely shuts down peach's float.

Floating has always been forbidden vs Zelda. If Peach wants to float, she should do it quickly, which is easier in Brawl+. Peach can still force an approach with turnips, a weakness of Zelda. Peach also likes to juggle Zelda, since Peach's air game > Zelda's by far. However, Peach has to be precise and she shouldn't make mistakes because Zelda can punish them VERY badly. I think it's a 50-50 or 55-45 Peach.

Rob and luigi also gives me problems. What yall think?

Rob? o.o Anyway, BeepBopRobot explained it pretty well. I do not agree with the killing part however: Peach is light and Rob can kill her quite well. Also, Peach can outcamp Rob.

Luigi is a strange match-up. Don't come to close and don't try to pressure too much. Be a bit more distant and abuse quick long-ranged moves like Jab and Bair and Dsmash. I don't think it's that different from Vbrawl actually. 50-50.

Never fought a good lucario. However the problem with lucario in vbrawl was stale moves. Peach couldn't land the kill and lucario just gets stronger as he gets more damage. There was nothing about his moveset though that gave peach problems. Now that stale moves isn't a issue and she has more ko options then she did in vbrawl and the fact that she racks up damage very quickly i dont see how the matchup is hard for peach. But again like i said i never fought a good lucario in b+


O and yea pika ***** peach.

I've no idea about Pikachu and Lucario. Please don't tell me that Pika ***** Peach ><. Though I must say I can't really imagine it.

P.S. Peach has amazing match-ups

 

[Plum]

In vBrawl, when GW did a Bair, you could SDI behind GW and then Bair him. I don't know it works in Brawl+. The match-up was a 45-55 in vBrawl, I think it's a 50-50 in Brawl+.

Still very easy to SDI out of, and definitely possible to just hit him out of Bair once you do get out of it because there is practically no stun until the last hit of Bair.

Getting inside a good G&W is going to be just as hard (or easy) as it was in vBrawl. Now you can just punish him much harder once you do get inside, and he dies much earlier minus Bucket Braking. Take that as you will

 

[GHNeko]

Isn't it harder to get inside because of lowered hitlag though?

 

[Plum]

Isn't it harder to get inside because of lowered hitlag though?

If you want to nitpick every detail, then technically yes. So maybe Bair went from very easy to SDI out of and punish to just really easy to SDI out of and punish. Either way, every character and their uncle can still SDI out of Bair and hit G&W. Some characters can do really stupid things after they get out too, like Wario having a guaranteed Waft when he gets out. Blaah T_T

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Heres where my reasoning for the killing part came from.

Rob usually kills people by either

A) hitting them with a smash attack, or nairing them when they are at high percentages
B) Doing some sort of fair strong that draws them too far off the edge.
C) Gimping them (sometimes done in combination with B)
Or D) Dthrow > nair.

A) Peach should not be hit with rob's usmash, the area in which it hits should not be where peach is... Rob's fsmash idk but it has very little knockback and damage for a smash attack, it just comes out incredibly fast.

B) Peach is too light to be fair strung, and if a peach di's on top of that, you can forgot about comboing her at all.

C) Gimping peach is also very difficult, because he has virtually no moves (besides dair which is terrible) that hit at a downwards angle against a peach with decent di. Peach can then use her excellent horizontal recovery to evade rob's attempts at gimping ( i mean his trajectory in the air is pretty **** predictable )

D) Does not work on peach.

When im playing against my friend, he usually survives somewhere between 150-180% which is pretty high, especially for one as light as peach.

 

[Meru.]

Sooo...
Peach's bad match-ups are Marth, Meta Knight and potentially Pikachu, who all aren't even that bad...?

Who else is there to give us problems?

 

[PKNintendo]

Pretty sure Peach goes even with Pikachu.

Don't thin anything else really gives you probs but I can see Zard being a bit annoying.

 

[Plum]

Pretty sure Peach goes even with Pikachu.

Don't else really gives you probs but I can see Zard being a bit annoying.

I think that most Zard matchups all depend on Zard's ability to keep you out; he has great approaches, defense options, combos/juggles, gimp game, power, and good survivability.
If you just take that into account he seems like he would just plow through Peach but once any character makes their way inside of him its a massive world of pain in store for Rawrizard.

I think the matchup is bound to be pretty close, because despite Zard having everything he needs to take on Peach he just can't afford to get caught in Peach's combo game. And let's be honest, if you can find your way inside somebody like Marth then you get inside Charizard. He won't be as easy to gimp as Marth, but he's going to be easier to combo because of his huge size.

 

[PKNintendo]

Bleh can't believe I made so many typo's.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I must say that peach doesn't really have any blind spots. She has an attack for almost any angle that an opponent is coming at her from.

 

[5ive]

With PaintedGhost in Toronto, I've played a lot of matches with his peach (honestly way too much to count) and I'd say Pikachu has a slight advantage.

Pikachu's fair does way too much for spacing and thunderguards mess peach up. Plus, Peach has a hard time combo-ing Pika.

 

[Roxas215]

With PaintedGhost in Toronto, I've played a lot of matches with his peach (honestly way too much to count) and I'd say Pikachu has a slight advantage.

Pikachu's fair does way too much for spacing and thunderguards mess peach up. Plus, Peach has a hard time combo-ing Pika.

Exactly. It's so hard to combo that **** rat. Also with peach's horrible ff speed it's a little to easy for pika to land thunder. Although i wll say peach can handle the QA spam a little easier then most chars. Z dropped turnips and well timed toads help alot.

 

[5ive]

QA spam never works anyways. But yeah, if some Pika uses QA stupidly and spams it...

Yeah, Peach can handle that ****.'

Edit: nvm I remember some bad memories of PaintedGhost nairing me out of my QAC. That **** is gay LOL

 

[Meru.]

Peach can Nair (and sometimes float) out of many combos. Not saying that this is the case vs Pikachu, but just mentioning.

 

[PaintedGhost]

I hate how it's near impossible to edge guard a decent Pikachu effectively; QAC is too good.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bair pressure is pretty effective against Pikachu. Stick with Dair > Nair > Jab , and Dthrow > Ftilt […] (If they don't DI) and variations of that for most of your "combos". Use turnips if you're going to edge guard. It stops skull bashes, QAC and other stuff. Try and predict where the Pikachu is going to land after a quick attack and Fsmash (you can Usmash but =/). Don't Fair too much; Bair, Dair, jab and Ftilt a lot. Be careful when you pull a turnip, Pikachu is fast. DI Dsmash and Usmash as well as you possibly can, and don’t get thundered. If a Pikachu FF’s a fair, shieldgrab. OOS Nair is good if the Pikachu is pressuring you too much. Pull turnips whenever it is safe too. You should be doing this regardless of who you are facing, but it’s still a good tip. Dsmash is good if you spot dodge a grab / if they end up behind your shield for some reason. Don’t Dsmash if the Pikachu crosses up your shield with a Fair, it’s too fast. I wouldn’t use Uair too much, Pikachu is pretty small, but if it works for you go for it. Shhhhhhhh

Pikachu is Gay Tier though.

Edit: Better Hiding. : D

Peach can Nair (and sometimes float) out of many combos. Not saying that this is the case vs Pikachu, but just mentioning.

Then it's not a combo, now is it?

 

[matt4300]

I hate how it's near impossible to edge guard a decent Pikachu effectively; QAC is too good.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh Bair pressure is pretty effective against Pikachu. Stick with Dair > Nair > Jab , and Dthrow > Ftilt […] (If they don't DI) and variations of that for most of your "combos". Use turnips if you're going to edge guard. It stops skull bashes, QAC and other stuff. Try and predict where the Pikachu is going to land after a quick attack and Fsmash (you can Usmash but =/). Don't Fair too much; Bair, Dair, jab and Ftilt a lot. Be careful when you pull a turnip, Pikachu is fast. DI Dsmash and Usmash as well as you possibly can, and don’t get thundered. If a Pikachu FF’s a fair, shieldgrab. OOS Nair is good if the Pikachu is pressuring you too much. Pull turnips whenever it is safe too. You should be doing this regardless of who you are facing, but it’s still a good tip. Dsmash is good if you spot dodge a grab / if they end up behind your shield for some reason. Don’t Dsmash if the Pikachu crosses up your shield with a Fair, it’s too fast. I wouldn’t use Uair too much, Pikachu is pretty small, but if it works for you go for it. Shhhhhhhh

Pikachu is Gay Tier though.



Then it's not a combo, now is it?

LOL dude QFT ... I was watching you and 5ives matches today on the stream and saying that exact thing... like same exact words. He ***** every char I play ... not even just my mains... ALL of them...

 

[5ive]

LOL dude QFT ... I was watching you and 5ives matches today on the stream and saying that exact thing... like same exact words. He ***** every char I play ... not even just my mains... ALL of them...

Love how I make everyone QQ about Pikachu. Painted Ghost, the matches will be up today or tomorrow.

I might upload every match we had.

 

[Roxas215]

I just go zss against pika.

 

[PKNintendo]

How is Pikachu remotely gay tier?

He's a badass. Playing against him is a battle of epic proportions.
No one is gay in B+, not even MK.

 

[Roxas215]

How is Pikachu remotely gay tier?

He's a badass. Playing against him is a battle of epic proportions.
No one is gay in B+, not even MK.

You must not have played a good mk,olimar, or kirby.

 

[PaintedGhost]

How is Pikachu remotely gay tier?

He's a badass. Playing against him is a battle of epic proportions.
No one is gay in B+, not even MK.

Hard to Combo, Hard to edgeguard. Combo = fun, Edgeguard = fun. If it's difficult than it's gay . Anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p77-op_jgfQ&feature=sub People underestimate Peach's umbrella. Win at 3:16. TaintedRoast ftw btw.

 

[PKNintendo]

Hard to Combo, Hard to edgeguard. Combo = fun, Edgeguard = fun. If it's difficult than it's gay . Anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p77-op_jgfQ&feature=sub People underestimate Peach's umbrella. Win at 3:16. TaintedRoast ftw btw.

Epic name change FTW.
LOL at Captain Falcon's death. Pure win.

No , your definition of gay is all wrong. If the matchup is ******** (infinites, ridiculous chain grabs)

then it's gay.