Osama bin Laden's death...

[mountain_tiger]

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Am I the only person that finds it a bit... disturbing that there's effectively euphoria over a man being gunned down? Granted, in this case it's obviously much, much different due to said man being a criminal mastermind that killed thousands, but it still doesn't feel right, somehow. It was probably the best way to deal with him on the whole (you can't really reason with terrorists, after all), but shouldn't it be one of those "we did what we had to do" and "the ends justify the means" sort of thing? Rather than leading to full-on celebration over someone having their life taken away...

IDK, I just find it hard to be happy about anyone being gunned down, tbh...

 

[Browny]

AMMERRRICAAA!!!

**** YEAH!

is the only appropriate answer

 

[Alien Vision]

LOL Browny.

Sorry Mountain_Tiger, I concur with Browny regardless of his lack of formal ground. XDD

Here let me explain this to you. ''Humans are like a fruit. If you don't nurture them the right way, they will spoil and become invalid in life''.

All you can do is throw them away. We are humans by our actions, not by just living.

There will always be chaos. Hopefully you'll understand.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Why should you be happy? Lol. The guy hasn't done **** since 2001, and even back then only 3000 people died. America overreacted because no war was ever fought on US soil.

I can't say I'm dissatisfied with his death, because even in Pakistan etc. al-Qaeda kills a lot of people. However, the threat to the US is hugely overestimated.

 

[mountain_tiger]

LOL Browny.

Sorry Mountain_Tiger, I concur with Browny regardless of his lack of formal ground. XDD

Here let me explain this to you. ''Humans are like a fruit. If you don't nurture them the right way, they will spoil and become invalid in life''.

All you can do is throw them away. We are humans by our actions, not by just living.

There will always be chaos. Hopefully you'll understand.

I'm not implying that his death wasn't justified - he did kill thousands after all, not just in 9/11 but convincing young people to be suicide bombers. It's the fact that it's being glorified so much that's disturbing. For instance, is it really necessary to include pictures of him after he's been shot? :/

 

[Gatlin]

Why should you be happy? Lol. The guy hasn't done **** since 2001, and even back then only 3000 people died.

I felt really dumb after reading this, tbh...

Anyways, I think it is the best news I've heard in a long time that he died, today should be a national holiday imo.

Agree with Browny

 

[Deleted member]

ugh another thread? This news is getting way too much f***ing attention.

 

[-Jumpman-]

I felt really dumb after reading this, tbh...

Anyways, I think it is the best news I've heard in a long time that he died, today should be a national holiday imo.

Agree with Browny

lol how? (10 chars)

 

[Gatlin]

lol how? (10 chars)

Because it sounded as if you were implying that if someone killed 3000 people 10 years ago, then we should just forget it ever happened seeing as it didn't happen recently. Also the part where you said "only" was kinda upsetting, seeing as those were a lot of people's family and friends and such.

 

[Deleted member]

*facepalm*

all of america is reacting as if they finally found and put down hitler (yes I went there). all jumpman is saying is that you should calm the **** down and put it in some perspective. yes you put down a terrorist. big whoop.

oh and calling for a national holiday is just stupid imo.


edit: there will ALWAYS be "friends and family", you think bin laden was some kind of loner who had none?

 

[Gatlin]

*facepalm*

all of america is reacting as if they finally found and put down hitler (yes I went there). all jumpman is saying is that you should calm the **** down and put it in some perspective. yes you put down a terrorist. big whoop.

Well while you're not caring, I'll be busy celebrating.

 

[Deleted member]

you really celebrate because a man was killed? you sir have no moral standards

 

[LLDL]

He's not celebrating the action that caused his death. He is celebrating his death.

 

[Deleted member]

yea because if he died of old age all of america would go out and celebrate too...

and the fact that you're celebrating a man's death in general is disgusting

 

[LLDL]

I'm not celebrating his death, I'm doing schoolwork. =)

And when I first saw the headline "osama is dead" on yahoo, I assumed they found his body already dead. My reaction was the same eitherway.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

agreed with OP, whole thing is ridiculous

 

[Gatlin]

oh and calling for a national holiday is just stupid imo.


edit: there will ALWAYS be "friends and family", you think bin laden was some kind of loner who had none?

My bad, missed this bit. You're right, I was just using an over-exaggerated response to further express my happiness towards the event. It was a joke, in other words. Whether or not what I quoted was a joke I don't know, but I'm treating it like it's not seeing as it didn't seem like one at first read.

About your edit, I don't know what you were trying to get at, but the way Jumpman said "only 3000" struck me as those people not mattering whatsoever, "they died, who cares" in other words. I wasn't getting at anything more than that.

And yes, I am going to celebrate his death, seeing as (imho) he deserved it. I am not the only happy American right now.

 

[El Nino]

I can't celebrate this. I agree that it's a case of "you do what you have to do." He wasn't going to back down, and neither was the U.S. government. I've moved past trying to cast political figures as either heroes or villains. All governments are founded on blood. It's a universal rule. Bin Laden was neither crazy nor evil. He was ruthless and power-seeking. Politics is a vicious, brutal game. He chose to play, and he lost. That's all.

Edit: And as a pre-emptive measure, please try to keep it civil.

 

[Life]

^So a guy responsible for killing 3k people TOTALLY UNPROVOKED is not evil? (And indirectly thousands more because without that we likely wouldn't be in the Middle East right now.)

I'd like to know what you think is "evil" then.

 

[Browny]

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ah **** it

 

[-Jumpman-]

^So a guy responsible for killing 3k people TOTALLY UNPROVOKED is not evil? (And indirectly thousands more because without that we likely wouldn't be in the Middle East right now.)

I'd like to know what you think is "evil" then.

Killing people doesn't make one evil.

 

[Browny]

Please, divulge into what does make one evil.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

^So a guy responsible for killing 3k people TOTALLY UNPROVOKED is not evil? (And indirectly thousands more because without that we likely wouldn't be in the Middle East right now.)

I'd like to know what you think is "evil" then.

Totally unprovoked? Excuse me while I laugh.

 

[Browny]

Oh please. Dont act like theres 2 options; provoked and unprovoked. Its an infinite range spectrum, impossible to be either due to inevitable bias, no matter how tiny either way.

 

[El Nino]

This discussion is bound to get heated. But I'm going to ask again that everyone keep it civil. It's just a discussion, no matter how passionate you are about it.

The reason why I can't call anyone "evil" is because it's a label that comes from convenience.

Consider the situation in Libya. If Nato does not take military action against Gadhafi, then there will be mass civilian casualties. But if it does take action, there will be civilian casualties in the city where Gadhafi is hiding out.

Either way, whether you choose to act or to not act, there will be blood spilled as a result of your decision.

During the Clinton administration, the U.S. imposed economic sanctions on Iraq. This had a devastating effect on the civilian population, which lacked basic supplies like medicine and electricity. Even when it became obvious that Saddam Hussein was not the one paying the price of the sanctions, even after two heads of the food for oil program resigned out of ethical concerns, the Clinton administration did not change its stance on sanctions.

For decades, the U.S. has supported dictatorships in various parts of the world, in particular the Middle East. Roughly 6% of the world's population consumes about 25% of the world's most desired resources. That 6% resides in one country, the United States.

The lifestyle we live does not come cheap. It comes at someone else's expense. When it comes to blood spilled by governments, all governments are guilty. I've benefited from the deaths in Iraq, Egypt, and elsewhere. I can't lie to myself and pretend that death or murder is anything special in the geopolitical world. We don't live by ideals. We live by economic concerns and other cold equations.

Edit: Bin Laden did not kill Americans because he hated Americans. He killed them because their lives did not matter to him and he needed to fulfill an objective. America is the same way with other nations. America does not care about the lives of civilians in Libya, Afghanistan, Sudan, or Iraq. America will tolerate their losses if it has to, and it will help them only if America's objectives call for it. And so America will kill bin Laden for the same reason bin Laden killed Americans, to fulfill political objectives. Good and evil depends on which side of the line you were born.

 

[z00ted]

wow I thought that I was the only person who thought this

I agree with El Nino and the OP, this **** is ********.

 

[*JuriHan*]

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Am I the only person that finds it a bit... disturbing that there's effectively euphoria over a man being gunned down? Granted, in this case it's obviously much, much different due to said man being a criminal mastermind that killed thousands, but it still doesn't feel right, somehow. It was probably the best way to deal with him on the whole (you can't really reason with terrorists, after all), but shouldn't it be one of those "we did what we had to do" and "the ends justify the means" sort of thing? Rather than leading to full-on celebration over someone having their life taken away...

IDK, I just find it hard to be happy about anyone being gunned down, tbh...

This is what's wrong with this country. Did people make blogs about if it was right when there was an euphoria over the towers being destroyed? =/

And even religions teach death is necessary sometimes eg

"better for one man to perish than a whole nation."

the problem though is we killed a mastermind, but not the ideal. War isn't over, and may never be. Ideal is still around and even as I type this new terrorists are being recruited/born/made. The death of osama was a symbolic victory and will bring closure to those who lost loved ones during 9/11. That is something worth celebrating, not the fact some random was killed. There's a little more to it than that.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I have no sympathy for someone who orchestrates terrorist attacks on the country I live in. That being said, I agree that this is being blown out of proportion with the celebration and everything. I agree that it should be thought of as "the ends justify the means." He was a threat, and that was the first real, solid chance of getting rid of him after over 9 years since the 9/11 attacks.

I have to say I am a bit worried about revenge attacks by Al Qaeda.

 

[*JuriHan*]

I have to say I am a bit worried about revenge attacks by Al Qaeda.

Yeah this. But when we got Saddam we didn't receive any backlash on American soil. But who knows, this is a different faction.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

There is a fine line that everyone has to walk in regards to this sort of news.

People should feel relieved that a crime did not go unpunished for a lack of better wording.

There is a person who got away with declaring a delibrate and horrible tragedy that cost a few thousand lifes. Does not anyone feel as if such a person ought to at least be held accountable for their actions in this scenario? Whether it was life imprisonment or death, retribution needs to be made or else crimes will go unpunished and this favors a a society where any action is deemed acceptable. So, the eventual capture of this man in some from had to be made.

However, it does not need to be given a level of excitement it seems to have generated. Having to take the life of anyone requires strict thinking as well or else society is given more evidence that it is alright to kill people anyway.

Although, my view point comes from the need for some sort of retribution system and the emphasis to rehabilitate people rather than killing for every crime.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

He's dead as he should be. It would be silly not to celebrate. What next, I suppose you guys are going to go to the people who did in fact lose family members in 9/11, that ship he was link to attacking in 2000, ect and tell them to stop celebrating?

Considering that we just found out late last night (depending on time zone) of his death, this is no where near out of hand. If this is still going on a week from now, then you can talk.

Blah blah blah "good and evil are perspectives". That's nice. I happen to be on the side that believes he was evil, particularly with what he/others like him did to the Middle East. Excuse me for acting accordingly.

People should accept the fact that some deaths are in fact worth celebrating. Welcome to the real world: not everyone is innocent.

 

[Deleted member]

indeed they aren't. huh america? look at your own country for a second okay.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Blah blah blah "good and evil are perspectives". That's nice. I happen to be on the side that believes he was evil, particularly with what he/others like him did to the Middle East. Excuse me for acting accordingly.

People should accept the fact that some deaths are in fact worth celebrating. Welcome to the real world: not everyone is innocent.

It's hard to argue that he wasn't evil IMO. Unless he was severely mentally unhinged, I guess... But this blog isn't meant to be about Osama's morality/lack thereof.

I'm not going to use the argument of "people are just as bad as Osama by glorifying his death", because that's simply not true. But... it definitely doesn't feel right, somehow...

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I'm just popping in to say that I'm only happy that Osama is dead because I lost family in the attacks. I'm not normally the kind of person who wants people dead, but this is an exception.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

 

[Teran]

I've had enough of society's hypocrisy for one day.

Go celebrate his death in current events.

People making up all sorts of reasons why they're celebrating his death other than they're just glad to see some blood spilled as vengeance.

"Oh the people are celebrating the death of what he represents!" Bull****, there will be 2 more Bin Ladens surfacing from his death, and as if the general public thinks that deeply haha yeah no.

"Oh it's justice and retribution!" Yes because gunning down a 54 year old on dialysis makes up for all the people he's instructed the death of. No retribution would have been him being caught alive and interrogated and milked for information to the point where his whole operation could be dissolved.

People constantly talk **** about the sanctity of life and blah blah human rights, then turn around and party when some random guy they don't like gets killed. That doesn't work,

So do it somewhere else.