Official Zero Suit Samus Matchup Thread

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Dakpo!
You haven't seen the reflex vid?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTURaxeF5w

 

[Dakpo]

No!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! too good. Kismet please wake up

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Don't watch game 5... on RC.

 

[infiniteV115]

Thought we were going to talk about the ROB MU here...
I desperately need help with that. Holynightmare's ROB **** all over me. His MK gives me less trouble -_-

 

[NickRiddle]

Infinite him.
Uair ***** everything, but his nair might hit you if you go in too quickly.
He has a big blind-spot in front and below him while he's in the air. (As in, the diagonal front-bottom)
Hit him with your stuff.
Hold gyros for fun.
Don't get hit by lasers please.

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah, I need to work on my powershielding. It helped in the Falco MU, but I kept getting hit by lasers and gyros against ROB. Seems like powershielding would help.
Got the dsmash once in the set, and screwed up the infinite ._.
I probably just need ROB practice.

Seems like usmash would be good in this MU. Running usmash instead of uair to bait and avoid his nair? And since ROB is so big, perhaps dthrow --> usmash would work well. I don't know.

I don't really think I need more help with this MU, I just need practice. Thanks a lot Nick.
If nobody else wants help with ROB, can we move on to Olimar? The only person from my region that beats me consistently is an Olimar main, and I find ZSS has trouble approaching him when he's pikmin camping. I often find myself approaching with grab, dash attack or usmash, but maybe that's just me ._.
Oh and suitpieces ****. But that's pretty much all I know about the MU

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Jab and Dash attack for days.

 

[infiniteV115]

Do you mean that Oli is one of the people who can't powershield jab3?
If so then I love you

 

[solecalibur]

Infinite him.
Uair ***** everything, but his nair might hit you if you go in too quickly.
He has a big blind-spot in front and below him while he's in the air. (As in, the diagonal front-bottom)
Hit him with your stuff.
Hold gyros for fun.
Don't get hit by lasers please.

infinite is so situational it isnt funny
and this match up hasn't been looked at correctly since I joined the boards, once robs learn the MU it becomes 50/50 or 55/45 zss

 

[NickRiddle]

infinite is so situational it isnt funny
and this match up hasn't been looked at correctly since I joined the boards, once robs learn the MU it becomes 50/50 or 55/45 zss

Which ROBs know the MU?
Also, landing a d-smash is situational now?
Damn, I put people in SO MANY situational... situations...

 

[Dakpo]

trolololol nick is so right one that. I put people in lots of situations as well then
K.. if you guys want to do rob then lets do it. Anything to breath life onto this match-up thread

 

[TheZeroSuit]

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Counterpick Advice:

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[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Do you mean that Oli is one of the people who can't powershield jab3?
If so then I love you

Olimar cannot grab your jab even if he shields it.
The oli's just did this MU a few months ago, you should check it out.

 

[PEACE7]

Wordddddddd rob matchup discussion lets goooo lol

 

[solecalibur]

Which ROBs know the MU?
Also, landing a d-smash is situational now?
Damn, I put people in SO MANY situational... situations...

And me and my roomate , i'd say tommy does as well.
since when did you learn the dsmash infinite? Last i heard you didnt know it

 

[NickRiddle]

And me and my roomate , i'd say tommy does as well.
since when did you learn the dsmash infinite? Last i heard you didnt know it

I put 10 minutes into it.
D-smash > turn > footstool > dair > paralyzer > repeat

So easy.

 

[solecalibur]

easier said then done 4 some i suppose, I can do it but they are always to high when I Dsmash them in tounry

 

[Dr. Tuen]

ROB...

One of his benefits is huge tilts. Since his hands are invincible, they have comparable range to MK. I tested it with t0mmy on several occasions. In addition, his IASA frames for all his tilts are better than MK's. No joke. It's pretty gross. (MK ftilt > ROB ftilt, I guess since MK gets three variable hits).

Anyways, with respect to this, I wanted to ask a question about our ftilt. I've heard that ZSS's legs are invincible during her up air. Which is cool. Is this also true for ftilt and dtilt?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Only her feet/ankles.

 

[infiniteV115]

Wait, so ZSS' legs are invincible during uair and only her feet/ankles are invincible during ftilt and dtilt?

Or only feet/ankles are invincible during uair and none of her is invincible during ftilt/dtilt?

Or only feet/ankles are invincible for all 3?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Only feet/ankles for all three.
But Uair is weird in terms of hurtbox lol

 

[PEACE7]

How do I play against sonic as zss?

 

[Dakpo]

Don't air dodge into a fully charged Fsmash at 70% and die

Edit: spam N special, it stops spin dash cold

 

[PEACE7]

Good stuff the spin dash is really ****ing annoying

 

[Dakpo]

i have some vids of me vs espy, you can figure out some stuff out from that. Although i do lose the set, Its still somewhere to start and grab ideas from. If you figure anything out, let me know. I'm always up to learn something new

 

[infiniteV115]

Hey Nick. I just wanted to say thanks.
I took your advice on the ROB MU, and took Holy's ROB to game 5 in a MM (as opposed to getting 3-0'd and getting 2-stocked/3-stocked like our last MM).
Almost beat him, we were going really even. Your advice helped a lot. Even he was like "you got a lot better against my ROB. Did you study the matchup? Did you face a lot of ROBs since our last money match? etc compliments etc."
I'll get him next time though

So yeah, thanks. <3

Edit: And yeah Sonic is really annoying on YI:B, don't let him go there.

 

[slayerdude_98]

i main zamus and snake. so i'm pretty aware of the weaknesses of the characters against eatchothe. but you guys pretty got it down here.

 

[Dakpo]

oh Texas eh? Where from ?

 

[Paw]

one of us.

 

[Dakpo]

lol texas has sooo many zss

 

[Eazy23]

U guys dont have Mario in the matchup index

 

[infiniteV115]

It's either a mistake or we haven't discussed it. And a lot of the info in the OP is outdated and probably wrong (eg us losing to Squirtle)

 

[Dakpo]

It's either a mistake or we haven't discussed it. And a lot of the info in the OP is outdated and probably wrong (eg us losing to Squirtle)

We still lose badly to squirtle, like 65/35

 

[infiniteV115]

Really?....Even with the infinite?
Admittedly I've never faced a good PT/Squirtle before...but come on 1 grab = stock unless they're a god at mashing.
And 1 paralyzer/dsmash = 1 grab
So 1 paralyzer/dsmash = stock... and considering how slow the infinite is, even if we screw up he's going to be ****ed up by fatigue by then..

Really? 65/35?

 

[Dakpo]

yes really, go play a good one like chuck nasty or someone. They are super hard do catch if they play smart. They should be playing like wario and trying not to get grabbed, I just run and plank until the squirtle is tired.

 

[infiniteV115]

Huh

So SQUIRTLE is our worst MU....yo **** this I'm picking up MK

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wait til he's fatigued and he can't kill you for **** tho

 

[infiniteV115]

Oh well no PTs in my region lawl

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Squirtle infinite?


Like, a regrab?
Or..

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah, buffered standing regrab. It's only useful if you can manage to pummel without him forcing ground release (so...after certain %s depending on how good the opponent is at mashing)