Official SWF Matchup Chart v3.0

[Sinister Slush]

I've seen the backroom. It's boring cause brawl is dying.

 

[NAKAT]

I completely agree Vinnie. I mean we've always talked about this.

 

[Vinnie]

I don't feel like reading mad pages, all I'm saying is me and NAKAT think it's +2. NAKAT beat him solidly in tourney. "he didn't approach" johns from Seagull shouldn't matter considering 1. that's Brawl and 2. he kept talking about how godly lasers were.

December Seagull asked to play me in some matches to see how the MU went, and I won 5-0, I'm pretty sure none of the games were close at all. I don't want to be that guy to reference friendlies, but it's a lot more intelligent than a lot of things that people post in this thread (not talking about you Delux). Gheb is one of those people. Why does he have any authority at all? The only thing I've ever heard him doing was being ******** online.

Don't bother replying to this, me/NAKAT/9B all think Wolf loses +2. Delux may not think that because of a player v player problem. I don't care. I don't care about Wolf either. Please don't respond, because anything you say will not get read by me. Thank you and have a good day.


Edit1: TL;DR: Wolf is mediocre and ICs have a 0-death grab WITH setups. Wolf can't instantly kill nana like MK/ROB, and your whole argument is back air, he loses at least -2 so stop being so delusional.


Edit2: If people really think that we think we win cuz of the single CG, then you clearly aren't on the same page as us.


Edit3: *points at sig*

 

[DeLux]

IDK, honey face in space too strong imo


#lasersword

 

[1PokeMastr]

Vinnie: I'm right, you're wrong. *runs away*

And the Wolf's never once stated that their Bair > ICs.

That's all on you Vinnie.

 

[Ishiey]

Idk, regardless of what the MU ratio "should" be, the SoPo CG is the thing I hate most about that MU. It makes it so much harder to safely separate ICs for like the first half of Wolf's stock

 

[Player-1]

seagull suks, mcppppppppppp only wofl that matters

 

[NAKAT]

Idk, regardless of what the MU ratio "should" be, the SoPo CG is the thing I hate most about that MU. It makes it so much harder to safely separate ICs for like the first half of Wolf's stock

Hi Ish bby . Ish when are you coming back to NJ man!?

 

[Delta-cod]

Too much meatriding between certain players these days. It's sad.

 

[Ishiey]

Hi Ish bby . Ish when are you coming back to NJ man!?

Why hello there Naruto <3 haha I'll be back September 1st, meh. I miss all you guys more than I thought I would

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I am "one of those people" yet you've never met me, talked to me or know anything about me. You also called everybody who worked on the MU chart that aren't top level players "bad people".

You are one of these people, not I.

 

[NAKAT]

Why hello there Naruto <3 haha I'll be back September 1st, meh. I miss all you guys more than I thought I would

Son don't do that. It's ****** at KFC at Three.

 

[NickRiddle]

MU discussions are so silly.

 

[DeLux]

MU discussions are so silly.

Bair why 2013

 

[NickRiddle]

Bair Wynaut 2013

 

[Luco]

Why vinnie?

EDIT: That was oddly in theme =/

 

[Seagull Joe]

Lol wow at referencing friendlies where I approach, try weird things I don't try in tourney to see if they work, and don't camp like crazy. I don't even remember how many matches we played because you had to go play a tourney match.

Solidly losing would imply i lost by a 2 or 3 stock, which wasn't the case at all. I've played Nakat with a total of 2 times ever...

 

[NickRiddle]

Dude, friendlies are the most legit representation of MUs ever.

ZSS goes even with Pikachu.

 

[Death Arcana]

ganon challenge best rep of Ganon viability

 

[1PokeMastr]

DDD for God Tier.
Ganon for S Tier.

Ally lost the Ganon Gauntlet with Mk.

 

[Rizen]

Only 1 person didn't lose it IIRC.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Only 1 person didn't lose it IIRC.

Seibrik.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Seibrik for best MK.

Ally sux, cant even beat Ganon.

 

[Luco]

Seibrik.

Didn't John make it too?

EDIT: Nope, don't worry, checked. He got close though.

 

[NickRiddle]

Seibrik used DDD.
DDD +4 Ganon

 

[Z'zgashi]

Seibrik's D3 > Ally's MK

/Inui Logic

 

[SoulPech]

I enjoy 1 post of "yay a MU chart" then 100 posts of "this MU chart sux this specific MU should be blah blah blah cuz I beat scrub69420 on Wifi with items" or something to that effect.


Thanks SWF



Don't worry about the haters Ish. You did what you can with what you got. You got this next year.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I still stand by my statement that Im overall pretty happy with how this turned out. Obviously I dont 100% agree with everything, but with this many MUs, no one will, and I agree with a lot more than I disagree with.

 

[Luco]

I think it's a fine chart don't get me wrong. ^_^

I'm just interested on the logic behind some MUs.

 

[Sinister Slush]

next year.

Nah. Prolly gonna be last tierlist/MU chart for Brawl since Smash 4 is around the corner.

 

[Moderate skill]

I like this MU chart, and I'm surprised at how much some of the characters moved from v8. I guess people will have to take Ike seriously now.

 

[Dekillsage]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope

 

[Blubolouis]

still even with snake though

 

[SoulPech]

Nah. Prolly gonna be last tierlist/MU chart for Brawl since Smash 4 is around the corner.

I doubt it honestly. IMO, I don't think it'll be out till either late 2014 or early 2015...unless it was actually said when it'll be released.

 

[Orion*]

to be fair, I could see wolf going almost even with ICs, like -1 or something if there was someone even SLIGHTLY at the level of one of the top IC mains. But theres nobody atm even slightly at that caliber, like not close at all no contest.

and Considering Nakat, Vinnie and 9B have the exact same opinion on a mu...

I would venture to just go w. that until results are proven.

 

[fkacyan]

Why on earth would anybody put that much effort into Wolf

The character kills himself 50% of the time he tries to recover

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

Seibrik's D3 > Ally's MK

/Inui Logic

this is very true

i'd totally mm his mk with ddd .....


maybe

 

[Rizen]

Why on earth would anybody put that much effort into Wolf

The character kills himself 50% of the time he tries to recover

So they know how to recover with Wolf.

 

[Ishiey]

Recovering with Wolf *really* isn't the problem lol.

Still, agreed that there's not much practical reason to bring Wolf (or any other character in/below his tier) to that level at this point of the metagame.

 

[fkacyan]

So they know how to recover with Wolf.

Seems like a lot of time to do something other characters can do without really thinking.