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When's v115 gonna come out?
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Apex next.... year? o.OWhen's v115 gonna come out?
Whenever you're ready.When's v115 gonna come out?
....Dude.Whenever you're ready.
He knew that was coming. He knows me too well to NOT expect that.....Dude.
Huh? There are more high/top-level Snakes than there are Falcos, aren't there? For Snake, there's Ally, Razer, and Fatal at top level, then there's Havok and MVD at that high-possibly-top level, and then there's Bizkit and a whooole bunch of high-level snakes. For Falco, we have DEHF, Masha, and Shugo at top level, then there's Kismet, Xzax, and Bloodcross at that high-possibly-top level, and then there's Keitaro and Pelca at high-level.....and that's it. The names I gave are comparable in number, but I'm sure I missed a good deal of Snakes. The same doesn't apply for Falco. I think if Snakes don't beat Falcos, then Snake loses the MU.Falco vs Snake is a matchup with generally few options - they cover each other pretty well. I think it's even if played well on both sides but most Snake players aren't better than decent so they rarely beat Larry / Masha / SLS / Shugo.
Snake's dtilt is pretty good, though.....He can... but then what? Falco still can Shine, Jab and Phantasm cross-up. Heck, he can run offstage and time the lasers to travel at almost ground level.
I feel crouching limit Snake's options.
This one Matchup is what stopped me from using Snake, it's just too frustrating from both sides: both camp the hell out of each other. Falco abuses everything on Snake, who doesn't die and deals tons of damage on few hits to kill very early because, well, he is Snake...
Razer quit and hardly ever played against Falco before that. Fatal / Havok / MVD are definitely not top level. They have very few or no positive records against top level players.Huh? There are more high/top-level Snakes than there are Falcos, aren't there? For Snake, there's Ally, Razer, and Fatal at top level, then there's Havok and MVD at that high-possibly-top level, and then there's Bizkit and a whooole bunch of high-level snakes.
Because it's interesting to know how much the results in this matchup are based on player skill.Anyway, why is this important to know/discuss, again?
This may be true, but you can't assume that high-level players don't know how to play the MU, especially against a char as common as Falco. Heck, some high-level players may know certain MUs better than top-level players.Razer quit and hardly ever played against Falco before that. Fatal / Havok / MVD are definitely not top level. They have very few or no positive records against top level players.
Masha has placed 4th / ~200 at SRT, beat M2K and Earth and has huge winning records against kakera and Brood. That's leagues beyond what those Snake players have to offer. And Masha is only considered the second best Falco in Japan, to SLS. And since Larry is nearly on Ally's level - whom at this point no other Snake can be compared to - that's a clear 3:1 for Falco in terms of player skill.
I'm not sure how it works, but I believe PS's in Melee are also easier when one is retreating, like during a pivot/DD backwards. Not sure why this is so, though.Not very useful in Brawl cause crouching just avoids the lasers anyway (at least, with Snake), and PSing doesn't really do much. In Melee it's useful because PSing can reflect the laser back at your opponent and hit them, so you'll see Marth players taking advantage of crouch --> PS against lasers.
Isn't that quite irrelevant for the discussion we have though?This may be true, but you can't assume that high-level players don't know how to play the MU, especially against a char as common as Falco. Heck, some high-level players may know certain MUs better than top-level players.
Moving in same direction as laser = keeping laser close to you for longer period of time (compared to standing still/moving in opposite direction = more likely that it will hit your shield in the first 3 framesThis may be true, but you can't assume that high-level players don't know how to play the MU, especially against a char as common as Falco. Heck, some high-level players may know certain MUs better than top-level players.
I'm not sure how it works, but I believe PS's in Melee are also easier when one is retreating, like during a pivot/DD backwards. Not sure why this is so, though.
i love how much you changed your tune after apex. it's hilarious.There are no top-level Snakes in japan.
So Ally doesn't count? Huh.....to be fair, america has no top level snakes. lots of good snakes, but no one on the same level as m2k/esam.