[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Kantrip]

Hey guys, how's this?

 

[Shorts]

Also, I'd love it if they finally used those versus screens in vs. mode itself. It would also help mask the loading times.

So long as it doesn't look like the MK versus screens. *Insert overused ninja's with fists pointing at one another* they look dorky. If they can be executed in a smashly fashion, I would like it.

What about bringing back the question mark boxes where unlockable characters are? And is anyone else mad that they took out the random feature where you simply drop your symbol off to the isde and it picks for you? I liked being able to be a "random" character I actually liked.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

...if there was an SSB title for both the 3DS and "Project Cafe," maybe there can be exclusive content for both? Something that has only appeared ad more relevant and dominant in the consoles and handhelds?

G&W>GB/SGB/GBP>GBC>GBA/GBASP/GBAMicro>DS/DSLite/DSi/DSiXL>3DS

NinTV>FC/FDS/NES.SFC/SNES>N64/N64DD>GCN>Wii> "Cafe"

Also, whoever suggested Little Mac and Tom Nook, I am still not fond of the idea.

I don't see what one can make up for a character that can only punch, or a simple store clerk that doesn't really do anything.

Also, has anyone ever suggested "Oranges Grenades" for Diddy's Down B Special?

 

[Kantrip]

Tom Nook has a plethora of different things he can do: fishing rod, shovel, pitfall, furniture leaves, bells, fruits, fishing or butterfly net, anything in animal crossing is relevant to Tom Nook. The series deserves more than a stage for how big it is.
Little Mac I don't know as much about, but what's the difference between him, and say... Marth. A sword versus boxing gloves, as Marth doesn't do anything else either.
Orange grenades. Eh, I don't really like it, I'd prefer either bananas or the kong switch to Dixie for that one.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Hey guys, how's this?

-Logical choices for the Mario series, but three newcomers seems just a bit excessive. I'd expect two at the most (those two being Bowser Jr. and Toad).

-The addition of Cranky and the animal buddies seems to be pushing it a bit for the Donkey Kong series, like the addition of Paper Mario in the Mario series. Remove them, and the Donkey Kong series looks perfect in my eyes.

-The Legend of Zelda series looks a bit iffy. Obviously, there's a chance that Toon Link will be cut, but the only way I see that happening is if Young Link is revived (due to the Ocarina of Time remake and possible Majora's mask future remake). If not, then I don't see Toon Link being cut simply for the sake of being cut. What he and Ganondorf both need is a revamped moveset.

-No arguments with Metroid.

-Both the Yoshi and Kirby series are perfect too, nothing needs changed there.

-Why cut Falco? If you do that, at least add Krystal (although I wouldn't cut any Star Fox character for Krystal). This just seems like another unnecessary cut.

-Pokemon = PERFECT! You seem to be the only one here who shares the same views of the series as I do. I find your Pokemon roster to be a good possibility, and also pretty likely.

-I agree that F-Zero could use another character, but if it does get one, it'll more than likely be Samurai Goroh, not Black Shadow.

-Lucas and Ike getting cut seems like more unnecessary cuts, but I can see why you'd cut them.

-Pikmin and Wario... no arguments!

-I like the addition of Isaac and Little Mac, but I'm a bit iffy on Tom Nook. I feel like the Animal Crossing series is better represented by a stage.

 

[Weyard]

So we're off Toad and moved onto "new series representation"?

Layton and Golden Sun are the only ones that have really became "popular" so far.
Golden Sun has 3 games so far with a new one for 3ds already in development. Having been an AT in Brawl, Isaac has already gotten through the door. I have no doubt that at least Isaac will playable be in SSB4, being the best representative as Marth was for the Fire Emblem character.
Felix no longer has a real chance, seeing as he was not even present in GS:DD, while Isaac was still there to play some role. Matthew could be possible instead of Isaac if the director decides to go with the newer representative.
2+ characters from Golden Sun would be pushing it though. I can see 2, but no more than that. No new series entering a SSB, entered with more than 1 character at a time so far, so there is no reason to expect that one will do so now.
However if it were to get another rep, I would prefer Alex, covering the villain slot. Alex has only displayed 3-4 possible attacks in the series due to filling a "puppet master" sort of role in the games rather than an actual enemy. He is the only true antagonist of the series so far, but has never appeared in battle, although he is certainly capable. Throughout the series he has been forced to fight many times with other characters and in other situations, all of which prove that he is a formidable force. That is probably why Camelot is keeping him out of battle so we can have an awesome final boss at some point in the future.

Laytone has already been extensivley discussed a couple pages ago. It has grown tremendously in popularity in the US and elsewhere in the world. Layton is capable of fighting, it would just depend on whether or not the director (sakurai or a new person) sees him fit for a fighting game. (Animal Crossing didn't gain a rep because Sakurai took it as an innocent childrens game with no characters fit for battle)

I'm not familiar with Pandora's tower or that other thing, so I can't really say anything about them.

Hey guys, how's this?

Almost perfect. This is pretty much what I hope for. But if they kept the characters that you cut, it would also be fine. I'm still hoping and expecting some Layton rep though.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Nook could use any of the tools from Animal Crossing. There are tons of good movesets floating around. I even posted a partial one a few pages back.

Most of the A attacks could be hitting with bugnet, shovel or even punches/kicks. For special attacks:

B- Bell Toss. Tosses a handfull of bells, disdainfully. Chargeable. When fully charged, tosses a bag of bells that bust open when they hit the ground, scattering damaging coins. (bells is AC currency)

B-> Axe Swing. Swings the Golden Axe. Slow, with heavy damage, but little to no knockback.

B^ Fishing Rod. Swings the Golden Fishing Rod upwards, hooks into the air and reels himself upwards. If used near a ledge, it sweetspots to the ledge and reels himself to it.

Bv Shovel. Digs a hole with the Golden Shovel. The hole lasts for as long as Snakes Motion Sensor Bomb. When someone falls in, does the same effect as Pitfall item. If used in the air, he stabs it downwards, meteoring anyone that touches the tip of the blade.

Final Smash
Blow Out Sale. Leafs fall from the top of the screen and just before hitting the ground, transform into furniture, landing on the foes.

 

[Kantrip]

@Spydr - I was quite liberal with my cuts. If I were to be less harsh then Falco or Krystal, Ike, Lucas, and revamped Toon Link would make it on the list. Cranky doesn't stand a chance, I just put that character there as my personal bias representation
That would make 50 including transformations. Right now it's at 47 with transformations.

If I weren't to bring back the people cut, I should probably remove Paper Mario as well. Otherwise, I think he deserves to hold that RPG series strong. I still like Tom Nook, and although he wasn't seen as "fit for a fighting game", neither were some other characters that have been adapted (Olimar, Falcon, ROB).

@Weyard - Golden Sun deserves representation, but one will do just fine for the series. I personally along with most people I know don't know anything about Golden Sun other than having heard of it and seeing Isaac as the assist trophy in Brawl. He would make a great character, then maybe give him a stage and a different assist trophy from the series and call it a day.

Layton's not on my roster only because I'm still thinking about him. I can see the awesome vision in my head, but it still doesn't fit with what smash is as a series for me.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Something that iv not seen mentioned elsewhere, about Samus. Couldnt they just mix ZSS with Power Suit Samus? As of now, Other M is the newest game in the series, and Samus is agile and fast with the suit on, much like that of Brawl's ZSS. They could mix them and scrap the whip moveset, since it isnt canon to begin with. That would give Samus the balancing that she desperately needs. Give her a little bit more speed and weight. Jump fast and high, but fall fast.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

Tom Nook has a plethora of different things he can do: fishing rod, shovel, pitfall, furniture leaves, bells, fruits, fishing or butterfly net, anything in animal crossing is relevant to Tom Nook. The series deserves more than a stage for how big it is.
Little Mac I don't know as much about, but what's the difference between him, and say... Marth. A sword versus boxing gloves, as Marth doesn't do anything else either.
Orange grenades. Eh, I don't really like it, I'd prefer either bananas or the kong switch to Dixie for that one.

Has Tom Nook ever use those items in his own series? He looks more like the kind of person who would get someone else to do his deeds. Also, his limbs are too stubby.

Well, I guess i'm just going through a boxer's honor. Little Mac might just have a boring moveset consisting of jabs, hooks, uppercuts, and maybe the occaisional headbutt. One can do many things with a sword(especially a legenday, all-powerful one), but only your own fists? Maybe I just hav a poor imagination.

And i find the banana peel pointless, considering a serperate item exist. And the orange grenade actually come from the Donkey Kong Country Universe.

If Dixie is to be paired with Diddy, I rather have her go the ZeroSuit/Power Suit Route and have be her own(somewhat) character sharing a window with Diddy(hidden, maybe).

Something similar could happen to Fox ad Falco.

Also, you didn't say anything about my other idea?

 

[AetherEch0s]

Yeah, and up until Starfox Adventure, Fox seemed like the kind of person who would get his ship to do his deeds. Also, he cant do barrel rolls without his ship.

Nook could have been a fighter before retiring to run a store. Hypothetically : p

Either way, Sakurai has changed his mind on so many things and flipflopped so much, who knows what he will do. If he were to only imagine Nook being playable, he would see that its not too much of a stretch. Peach is a princess, how would she know how to fight?

 

[Weyard]

Has Tom Nook ever use those items in his own series? He looks more like the kind of person who would get someone else to do his deeds. Also, his limbs are too stubby.

Well, I guess i'm just going through a boxer's honor. Little Mac might just have a boring moveset consisting of jabs, hooks, uppercuts, and maybe the occaisional headbutt. One can do many things with a sword(especially a legenday, all-powerful one), but only your own fists? Maybe I just hav a poor imagination.

And i find the banana peel pointless, considering a serperate item exist. And the orange grenade actually come from the Donkey Kong Country Universe.

If Dixie is to be paired with Diddy, I rather have her go the ZeroSuit/Power Suit Route and have be her own(somewhat) character sharing a window with Diddy(hidden, maybe).

Something similar could happen to Fox ad Falco.

Also, you didn't say anything about my other idea?

Doesn't Falco tend to get angry and leave the group rather constantly throughout the StarFox series? If I recall correctly, he was missing during SF:A only to return at the end or something along those lines.
For me anyway, it would make sense to have him missing in one SSB title if needed. Possibly justifying a cut, only to make him return with a COMPLETELY uncloned moveset in SSB5. That would be one possible action I might take if I were the developer.

Fox and Falco together could work I suppose. I would want an arwing Final Smash featuring both of them instead of double Landmasters though lol.

 

[Kantrip]

Regarding your other idea, I don't really know. I personally wouldn't play a handheld smash. I'd be too worried to actually "smash" any part of the controller, because it's also the console. That's why I hope these super duper touch screen controllers aren't obligatory for the new console's version of smash as well.

Tom Nook sells these items, and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have him hold any one of them. He would scuttle around when he runs (like how he scuttles in game) and would seem very awkward as he tosses leaves and bells and reels a fishing rod. I know lots of people are iffy on Nook, but I like it.
Switching with down B and keeping bananas as a move for Dixie would make for an interesting playstyle. I think I said this earlier; Dixie could have the range and kill power, while Diddy combos and uses bananas well. That way switching a lot would actually be encouraged in the middle of the match. You can't do it like Samus, becasue then you miss out on the awesome sound and animation of the two switching all the time.

As I said, I'm not very knowledgable on Little Mac, but he could have a combo type side B like marth, a counter like down B like marth, an uppercut up B like marth, and a super punch B like captain falcondorf marth. And that's at the simplest. There's always options for a clever developing team.

 

[AetherEch0s]

the simplest i can think of for Little Mac is
B Super Punch. Chargeable.
B-> Left Right Combo. Repeated alternate punches moving him forward with each punch. Like Marth's B->
B^ Leaping Uppercut. Jumps and uppercuts into the air. Used as recovery.
Bv Punching stance. Changes his stance to make the next attack knock twice as far. Like a buff or something. Would take a few seconds to appy it, so it wouldnt be so broken.

 

[Weyard]

Regarding your other idea, I don't really know. I personally wouldn't play a handheld smash. I'd be too worried to actually "smash" any part of the controller, because it's also the console. That's why I hope these super duper touch screen controllers aren't obligatory for the new console's version of smash as well.

Tom Nook sells these items, and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have him hold any one of them. He would scuttle around when he runs (like how he scuttles in game) and would seem very awkward as he tosses leaves and bells and reels a fishing rod. I know lots of people are iffy on Nook, but I like it.
Switching with down B and keeping bananas as a move for Dixie would make for an interesting playstyle. I think I said this earlier; Dixie could have the range and kill power, while Diddy combos and uses bananas well. That way switching a lot would actually be encouraged in the middle of the match. You can't do it like Samus, becasue then you miss out on the awesome sound and animation of the two switching all the time.

As I said, I'm not very knowledgable on Little Mac, but he could have a combo type side B like marth, a counter like down B like marth, an uppercut up B like marth, and a super punch B like captain falcondorf marth. And that's at the simplest. There's always options for a clever developing team.

Peach of all people shouldn't be fighting a bunch of sword wielders and monsters, so why do people have so much trouble seeing Nook having to fight them as well?

I would prefer a downB swap for Diddy/Dixie. Swapping freely between them would make more sense. Also making it automatically swap to dixie/diddy after losing a stock, as it does in the DK series.(same thing it does for PT I suppose).

On the subject of Samus, did anyone else find it hilarious how the entire suit falls off during a ZSS tranformation? WHEN the suit is actually absorbed into the "jewel" on her back in the Metroid Series. Once again, Sakurai needs to play a metroid game before he starts messing with them again.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Technically the suit is a mental and organic shell, not a bunch of metal pieces like is shown in Brawl. Yeah, before the end of Metroid 1, it was only a suit, but she was granted a more special organic suit by the Chozodia Ruins, one that is binded to her mind. When she focuses on bringing it out, it does so. When she loses focus, it can disolve away, as seen in her battle with Ridley on Other M.

ZSS in Brawl is just stupid anyway. Why would she want to fight without the suit? Thats like Link fighting using his bare hands, opposed to his Sword and items. Why give up what you've got? Sakurai just had a generic whip-user moveset in mind and stuck it on the first character he could. Knowing nothing of the Metroid series, he stuck it on her. It should be scrapped altogether. Its kind of unfair that she goes into a debilitated state after using her "decent" final smash. But all other characters are just fine after using theirs, no matter how crappy or overpowered.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

Peach of all people shouldn't be fighting a bunch of sword wielders and monsters, so why do people have so much trouble seeing Nook having to fight them as well?

I would prefer a downB swap for Diddy/Dixie. Swapping freely between them would make more sense. Also making it automatically swap to dixie/diddy after losing a stock, as it does in the DK series.(same thing it does for PT I suppose).

So, how would they switch out, anyway? What, would it be like the source material? Because, they they bothe need to be on the field to do that. You can't just make it like Zelda and the Trainer.

Also, Toadstool has a good anatomy for combat. Nook doesn't.

Also(again), she need to get off her lazy patoot and do something, like she did in SMRPG and PM1.

Technically the suit is a mental and organic shell, not a bunch of metal pieces like is shown in Brawl. Yeah, before the end of Metroid 1, it was only a suit, but she was granted a more special organic suit by the Chozodia Ruins, one that is binded to her mind. When she focuses on bringing it out, it does so. When she loses focus, it can disolve away, as seen in her battle with Ridley on Other M.

ZSS in Brawl is just stupid anyway. Why would she want to fight without the suit? Thats like Link fighting using his bare hands, opposed to his Sword and items. Why give up what you've got? Sakurai just had a generic whip-user moveset in mind and stuck it on the first character he could. Knowing nothing of the Metroid series, he stuck it on her. It should be scrapped altogether. Its kind of unfair that she goes into a debilitated state after using her "decent" final smash. But all other characters are just fine after using theirs, no matter how crappy or overpowered.

I'm guessing to showcase the face behind the mask. I also think it was suppose to be a last resort, or to showcased that she's not useless without her suit, maybe? I have no idea.

Also, Link actually did fight without his sword in his source series of games.

 

[Steam]

=\ Mewtwo was cut for Lucario, the posterchild of the 4th generation. Lucario is going to get cut for the posterchild of the 5th generation... That would be Zoroark.

I'd agree if Lucario's popularity didn't explode like it did. They're going to at least attempt to put him in. but both lucario and zoroark can be in to be honest lol. If Lucario had just been kinda popular he'd be gone... but he's one of the most recognizable and popular pokemon now.

and I actually don't want lucario to be in the next smash. He was perfect in brawl and I was happy with him. so don't want to risk him getting effed up lol.

 

[Hoots]

Regarding your other idea, I don't really know. I personally wouldn't play a handheld smash. I'd be too worried to actually "smash" any part of the controller, because it's also the console. That's why I hope these super duper touch screen controllers aren't obligatory for the new console's version of smash as well.

Tom Nook sells these items, and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have him hold any one of them. He would scuttle around when he runs (like how he scuttles in game) and would seem very awkward as he tosses leaves and bells and reels a fishing rod. I know lots of people are iffy on Nook, but I like it.
Switching with down B and keeping bananas as a move for Dixie would make for an interesting playstyle. I think I said this earlier; Dixie could have the range and kill power, while Diddy combos and uses bananas well. That way switching a lot would actually be encouraged in the middle of the match. You can't do it like Samus, becasue then you miss out on the awesome sound and animation of the two switching all the time.

As I said, I'm not very knowledgable on Little Mac, but he could have a combo type side B like marth, a counter like down B like marth, an uppercut up B like marth, and a super punch B like captain falcondorf marth. And that's at the simplest. There's always options for a clever developing team.

Love the avatar and your idea for the animal buddy Cranky character. Glad to see that I'm not the only DKC fanboy around here. To be honest, if it would be a down B move, I see no reason to simply make them different characters since the balancing would be essentially the same plus the addition of 2 down b's. I mean with Zelda it's the same person with different outfits. With Pokemon Trainer, he is the main guy and the pokemon are more his tools to win. I'd much much much much prefer to see K Rool over Dixie though. Although, I hear Japan loathes K Rool, and in their 'canon,' K Rool is actually 3 different brothers or some crazy stuff. I mean, they hated him and the Kremlings enough to axe them for DKCR, so I am highly skeptical of him making it in. Such a shame.

 

[Weyard]

So, how would they switch out, anyway? What, would it be like the source material? Because, they they bothe need to be on the field to do that. You can't just make it like Zelda and the Trainer.

Also, Toadstool has a good anatomy for combat. Nook doesn't.

Also(again), she need to get off her lazy patoot and do something, like she did in SMRPG and PM1.
I'm guessing to showcase the face behind the mask. I also think it was suppose to be a last resort, or to showcased that she's not useless without her suit, maybe? I have no idea.

Also, Link actually did fight without his sword in his source series of games.

For Diddy and Dixie, I would imagine that both appear onscreen at the same time. When you press downB, they just hop and swap places while it plays the sound effect. Alternatively, they could just have 2 barrels appear, whichever one you are playing as hops in one then it disappears, while the 2nd barrel explodes putting the other one on the field. If I recall correctly, in DK they break out of barrels when you swap characters.

I would argue that nook and Toad have similar anatomy. They both appear as though they would be incapable of complex movements, being of such stubby stature. However Toad has been shown performing many activities despite his stature, so Nook shouldn't have any problems doing the same.

 

[AetherEch0s]

NOOK LACKS THE ANATOMY FOR COMBAT?
Notice the arm length. Plenty long enough, and has a defined "elbow" midsection to articulate during animations.

Although, not relevant, look at this generic Animal Crossing villager. His arms are just as long, as is able to use tools in-game. So, Nook must also be able to do the same with his arms in-game.

Here is Toad from one his newest incarnations. Notice the fingers. As asia_catdog_blue said, he has anatomy fit for combat.

Now, here is Toad from SMRPG, a game with similar graphics to Animal Crossing. He has short stubby arms as well with these graphics.

There are no high definition images of Nook. But im sure that if he were to appear on SSB4, they would give him fingers if it is really required to hold something. HOWEVER, all of this is completely irrelevant BECAUSE..........

Kirby can articulate his stubby arms and legs, and can even swing a hammer using them. Plus, he doesn't even have fingers or elbows. If his anatomy is fit for combat, then by all means, Nook's anatomy is also fit for combat.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

For Diddy and Dixie, I would imagine that both appear onscreen at the same time. When you press downB, they just hop and swap places while it plays the sound effect. Alternatively, they could just have 2 barrels appear, whichever one you are playing as hops in one then it disappears, while the 2nd barrel explodes putting the other one on the field. If I recall correctly, in DK they break out of barrels when you swap characters.

I would argue that nook and Toad have similar anatomy. They both appear as though they would be incapable of complex movements, being of such stubby stature. However Toad has been shown performing many activities despite his stature, so Nook shouldn't have any problems doing the same.

No, I was reffering to Princess Peach Toadstool, not the Mushroom Retainer.

...I can actually see Kinopio using that mallet from Mario Party 3 for the Nintendo 64.

And while his arms are just as long as the Animal Forest Human, the Tanooki's legs are shorter. And that Pink Blob's body is very elastic. Is Nook's?

 

[AetherEch0s]

Then you should have specified in that post. Everyone refers to her as Peach, not toadstool. Of course she has an anatomy fit for combat, being human. Nook's anatomy doesn't limit him any more than the other short character's anatomy. I don't see what point you are getting at. Also, Toad's anatomy is exactly the same as Nook's. Both have short arms and legs, although one walks on thin tippy toes and the other one walks with disjointed shoes like Kirby. Elasticity means nothing. Nook could easily duck down as Mario, Ness, Lucas or even Pikachu does. Neither of which are elastic.

 

[Weyard]

No, I was reffering to Princess Peach Toadstool, not the Mushroom Retainer.

...I can actually see Kinopio using that mallet from Mario Party 3 for the Nintendo 64.

And while his arms are just as long as the Animal Forest Human, the Tanooki's legs are shorter. And that Pink Blob's body is very elastic. Is Nook's?

Elasticity? What does elasticity have to do with anything?
Last time I checked, Mario was a meant to be a human.....I am correct in this assumption??
Last time I checked, humans can't enlarge their fists by 2-3 times the normal size while punching, nor at any time for that matter.
Last time I checked, Toad was a mushroom person thing....I am correct in this assumption?
Last time I checked, mushroom person things don't exist in the real world...so their elasticity is irrelevant.
Last time I checked, Nook is meant to be a raccoon humanoid....which also doesn't really exist...
So why would it's elasticity have any frame of reference?
Are humans more elastic than a raccoon? Are Mushroom people more elastic than a raccoon? A cartoon raccoon at that? That argument is just stupid.

If a human can enlarge it's body parts on command, I'm sure a raccoon will have no problem stretching it's limbs in such a way that it can wield an object such as shovel.

I also suggest that you call characters by their common names, not obscure rarely used last names. I can't remember the last time Toadstool was used along side Peach's first name. It was probably around the Mario64 times but don't hold me to that estimation.
She is known as Peach and in a discussion where a character named Toad (who just happens to be a toadstool) is constantly being brought up, it would be a good idea to use Peach when referring to her as to prevent such misunderstandings.

 

[Steam]

Toad will not be a playable character. bowser jr. will be the mario character they add probably. Toad will always be peach's counter lol.

Animal crossing characters being playable seems... just awkward but the series is popular so it's always possible. maybe resetti can be in and attack with speech bubbles.

 

[AetherEch0s]

How would Resetti jump? I dont know that his legs have been shown have they? It would be unique but i would consider that to be much more awkward than Nook or K.K. Slider. Although being awkward doesn't hurt their chances. Wario is intentionally awkward, with the jerky movements and sideways walking lol.

I would even go as far as saying that Resetti lacks the anatomy for combat. Im going to be using that phrase quite a lot here now xD Since its such a vague and opinionated statement.

 

[Weyard]

If I could think of some way that Resetti could work, I would support it. He is one of the more interesting characters in Animal Crossing, but he just isn't "capable for battle"... I MEAN, lacketh the anatomy for combat.

How would Resetti jump? I dont know that his legs have been shown have they? It would be unique but i would consider that to be much more awkward than Nook or K.K. Slider.

I would even go as far as saying that Resetti lacks the anatomy for combat. Im going to be using that phrase quite a lot here now xD Since its such a vague and opinionated statement.

Interesting to note that *insert name* " Lacks moves/anatomy fit for combat" was thrown around pretty often back in the pre-brawl days, encouraging me to make this way back then. Even back in the medieval times, people must have still had the same arguments about Ridley being in their version of SSB.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

Elasticity? What does elasticity have to do with anything?
Last time I checked, Mario was a meant to be a human.....I am correct in this assumption??
Last time I checked, humans can't enlarge their fists by 2-3 times the normal size while punching, nor at any time for that matter.
Last time I checked, Toad was a mushroom person thing....I am correct in this assumption?
Last time I checked, mushroom person things don't exist in the real world...so their elasticity is irrelevant.
Last time I checked, Nook is meant to be a raccoon humanoid....which also doesn't really exist...
So why would it's elasticity have any frame of reference?
Are humans more elastic than a raccoon? Are Mushroom people more elastic than a raccoon? A cartoon raccoon at that? That argument is just stupid.

If a human can enlarge it's body parts on command, I'm sure a raccoon will have no problem stretching it's limbs in such a way that it can wield an object such as shovel.

I also suggest that you call characters by their common names, not obscure rarely used last names. I can't remember the last time Toadstool was used along side Peach's first name. It was probably around the Mario64 times but don't hold me to that estimation.
She is known as Peach and in a discussion where a character named Toad (who just happens to be a toadstool) is constantly being brought up, it would be a good idea to use Peach when referring to her as to prevent such misunderstandings.

Fine. It's just that I tend to have a habit by calling things by more than one title. Especially concerning series and character I have a love/hate relationship with. And maybe elasticity isn't the right word to decribe uh... whatever.

Also, Tom Nook is a Tanooki, a "Racoon Dog," not a racoon. There's a difference.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Yeah, but as you said yourself, people tend to call things by more than one title, especially when that other name is a foreign word. There are no tanookis here, only racoons. 99% of American gamers would call him a racoon and its understandable based on his design.

Sorry if i sounded rude earlier. I just found it odd that you were saying Nook isnt elastic, when that has no bearing over natural anatomical movement.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Hey guys, how's this?

His list is almost perfect! Just did not like Eight points! Without irony! look:

1) Toad is a character that will hardly come as playable, because it is a movement of Peach.
2) Dixie and Diddy can not be together.
3) I loved your idea for Cranky Kong with the animals, without irony, in true when he thought of a character for DK, this set was the first in my mind, HOWEVER! is very unlikely. Rambi will probably appear as a trophy, perhaps as Assist Trophy, and perhaps lucky, so lucky, he will appear as a playable character, but if that happens he appeared sosinho!
4) Why remove Falco?
5) Black Shadow but without the Samurai Goroh! never!
6) Mewtwo had a reason to be cut, but nonetheless, still has a chance!
7) Where is Ike? Until Appears out a new Fire Emblem game, you can count on him in ssb4! and Where's Lucas?
8) TLOZ and Kirby need fourth slot

 

[Sonic Poke]

Just five days for E3, only five days to know if will have or not there will have this year a SSB4!

 

[Weyard]

Kirby doesn't need another rep. The only 3 important reoccurring characters have been covered, unless you want Zero or one of his "dark whatever" incarnations.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Knuckle Joe and Prince Fluff although improbable, are important, and at least one of them can be covered!

 

[AetherEch0s]

His list is almost perfect! Just did not like Eight points! Without irony! look:

1) Toad is a character that will hardly come as playable, because it is a movement of Peach.
2) Dixie and Diddy can not be together.
3) I loved your idea for Cranky Kong with the animals, without irony, in true when he thought of a character for DK, this set was the first in my mind, HOWEVER! is very unlikely. Rambi will probably appear as a trophy, perhaps as Assist Trophy, and perhaps lucky, so lucky, he will appear as a playable character, but if that happens he appeared sosinho!
4) Why remove Falco?
5) Black Shadow but without the Samurai Goroh! never!
6) Mewtwo had a reason to be cut, but nonetheless, still has a chance!
7) Where is Ike? Until Appears out a new Fire Emblem game, you can count on him in ssb4! and Where's Lucas?
8) TLOZ and Kirby need fourth slot

1. Toad is important enough to be in, but i think his time has passed. Even if he was included, Peach could pull out Toadsworth in her Special Attack. It would make more sense anyway.
2. What? They were a pair in DKC2 and would work the same way in SSB4. Just make them both use the same character select icon, but let you pick between which one you start as. By pressing Down B you can swap which one is in the lead. A few attacks would be different when using Dixie, namely Side Special, which would be a hair whip.
3. The items would work best as an assist trophy with a random chance of being any of them. A barrel appears, breaks open and one of them pops out. You can press A to ride them if you are near and do thier attacks with A button. B/Z/R/L would make you cancel and jump off. After a few seconds they would disappear.
4. Falco, who is currently a semi-clone, is very unneeded. Fox and Wolf cover the series fine. Also, in the games Falco was known to be a lone wolf of sorts, leaving the team on several occasions to return later, so it would make sense for him to be gone in SSB4, and to return in a later SSB game.
5. No comment. I think Captain Falcon represents the series completely, but if it gets another rep, it could be either of them.
6. Mewtwo SHOULD return, since he was 100% going to be in Brawl until they ran out of time. However, i expect he wont.
7. Ike was merely an advertisement for the newest Fire Emblem at the time, as was Roy in Melee. Since no new Fire Emblems have came out, other than the remake of Marth's game, Marth should be the sole rep for the series.
8. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf represent the 3 incarnations of the triforce. That is all the representation that the series needs. Same goes for Kirby. Kirby, King Dedede and Metaknight are the 3 main characters in the series and are all the representation it needs. Although Prince Fluff could easily be an alt costume for Kirby, same for Yarn Kirby.

 

[Gallowglass]

Tanookies (bear dog) and racoons are very different. In Mario 3 you had two different suits. If Tom Nook is a Tanooki then he should have the statue ability in Mario 3 (though it would work just like Kirby's down B).

Mr Resetti (sp) does have legs and it's shown in smashville arena. He's there drinking coffee.

 

[AetherEch0s]

I had never thought of that before. Sakurai would most likely make the connection and base his moveset on Tanookies from the Mario series. But it would make more sense coming from his own game.

I wasnt aware of that. He would be an interesting character anyway. He could have a move that lets him dig through the stage. Like as a means of recovery. As you are falling along the side of a stage, too far down to recover, just touch the underside of the stage when pressing Down B and he digs into the stage and you can move him back on top.

 

[Weyard]

Tanookies (bear dog) and racoons are very different. In Mario 3 you had two different suits. If Tom Nook is a Tanooki then he should have the statue ability in Mario 3 (though it would work just like Kirby's down B).

Mr Resetti (sp) does have legs and it's shown in smashville arena. He's there drinking coffee.

Seems like the sort of thing Sakurai would do. He could base most of Nook's animations off of Mario's Tanooki suit animations. Would be a good start at least.


Resetti legs-

Standing without helmet

 

[AetherEch0s]

He should shuffle around when walking/running. Other than that his animations would be pretty straight forward.

 

[Gallowglass]

Good thing I beat Mario 3 just recently

So if you just look at the Tanooki part of Tom Nook he could have these moves.

Tail swinging
Slow decent
Statue Ability
Flying

I don't know much about him other than he's a store salesman (That would be odd for him to be a fighter).

 

[Weyard]

Just thought I'd point out that despite being a Tanuki, in US animal Crossing games, Nook is referred to as a Racoon, not a Tanuki. http://animalcrossing.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Nook

"Although he appears to be a raccoon, he is actually a tanuki. He is referred to as a raccoon in the U.S. version and a tanuki in the Japanese version. "

He also refers to himself as a raccoon in the US version.

"...Well, actually, I was just thinking about the good old days, hm?
I know it seems that the world is my oyster, what with my fine shop...
But in my childhood, I lived the kind of life you couldn't even imagine!
Yes, yes, but this was all some time ago, but this was all some time ago, before I moved to this town, hm?
Of course, I was born in our lovely <Town Name>, but I moved away for a time...
Yes, yes, the city years, I like to call them. I was a raccoon of action, hm?
The big city certainly had its charms...but it had its pitfalls, as well.
Indeed, I had to endure certain hardships that I've never spoken of, hm?
...Hard to believe, yes?
You're probably asking yourself, what the heck is Nook talking about, hm?
For now, <Player Name>, maybe it's best that we forget we ever talked about this."

Is it just me... or does this suggest that he at some point was on some sort of adventure? An adventure with danger perhaps, requiring him to fight his way through hardships? I know that I'm reading too far into it, but you can't just throw out all hope of him having fighting ability without looking at all of the canon information.

According to the AC wiki, Nook has a checkered past filled with illicit activities. I wonder what those activities might be? Fighting? Gambling? Who knows.

"Nook seems to have a varied reputation amongst the villagers, with some speculating that he is, in fact, a man in a suit. His large, bushy tail seems popular amongst lazy people. Many will say that he has a checkered past, hinting at illicit activities. "

Oh look at this, nook has hands and fingers in one of his more "realistic" appearances. He looked this way in the AC movie. http://animalcrossing.wikia.com/wiki/Animal_Crossing:_The_Movie