[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[BirthNote]

Did anyone even read this?

Hang on, I just read on the last page that Smash is canon. Since when was that true? We could make threads on inconsistencies like Mario shooting fire without a flower, Olimar running around with ONLY 6 Pikmin and hundreds more. Smash has definitely blurred the lines of certain things for the sake of gameplay, so do people honestly think that Ridley would be as big as a giant-Giant Charizard if he was playable?

Someone provided a link about 3 weeks back in which Sakurai spoke of characters being resized for the sake of gameplay. Even if Bowser's size changes and individual Pokemon height can be...rationalized to some, a massive Ridley would be the most obvious flaw of the game. What happens if he's on moving stages like Falcon's? How could he dodge Final smashes? Pokeballs? Assist Trophies? Boss attacks? With the humongous size, he's GUARANTEED to be hit--constantly and effortlessly.

If Ridley makes it in, its very unlikely that he'd have such a size. They'd probably scale him down for the sake of gameplay.

Can I get some legitimate answers to these questions?

You know, maybe Ridley being big isn't that bad of an idea to begin with. He'd be tough as hell to balance, especially if he's Sentinel-size, but a big Ridley would be unprecedented for Smash. I mean really, you have a highly requested character with plenty of potential to truly stand out from the rest. What's not to like?

A fighter that large would be an obvious problem. I already brought up complications that would come up in casual matches, so let me add some more: What happens if he gets a Super Mushroom? He's colossal already and fills most of the stage--but wait, that's his normal size, so he still gets affected. How would he work on small stages? What happens when HE gets his Final Smash? Should everyone else just stand there and take it? And do people think that he could avoid a PK Starstorm, Landmaster, End of Day, Rocketbarrel Barrage, Zero Laser, and MUCH more? What about transformations like Super Sonic? All Sonic has to do is float in the same spot as Ridley; same goes for Wario Man.

Multi-man Smash would be useless.
Home run Contest would be frustrating.
Break the Targets will be far too broken.
Boss Battles would be pointless.
All-Star mode would be cumbersome.

Maybe I'm being narrow-minded right? That's only the casual aspect of Smash--the competitive style that people will try to have would be better if we had an enormous fighter, wouldn't it? Especially if Ridley is too big to be grabbed, inhaled, lifted (DK style), Monkey Flipped, chewed (Wario), swallowed by Yoshi, or thrown. And, since Ridley is gigantic yet normal, what attack do you think would be used the most? His equivalent of a down smash? That move and many similar will be spammed until the match is finished. He's so big, that he could "roll" (or whatever equivalent) to the other side of the stage, he'd only jump once to recover, and he could pick people up and take them away...with one hand. Tournaments will ban him.

Right now, this idea of an actual-sized Ridley is worse than everyone's individual perceptions of the worst character currently in the series. Now I'm glad that most of our suggestions won't happen.

 

[Gallowglass]

You see I would rather have this adjusted for Items

- Make the Ray Gun look like the NES zapper
- Get rid of smoke bombs
- Crystal Rods (Kid Icarus): Two small crystal orbit around the player which does damage and protect it from shots

Pokeballs/Assist Trophies
- Since I don’t know any of the new pokemon I’m not going to list them.
- Be able to select which characters can come out just like item selection. The only exception would be the rare ones like Mew and Celebii.

Assist Trophy Characters
- Eggplant Wizard (Kid Icarus): Moves from side to side launching eggplant grenades and if they hit you then it turns the person’s upper body into an eggplant. He can’t do anything but run and jump until it wears off.

- Zues (Kid Icarus): Appears to at the top of the screen and says about enduring this harsh training. Then mirrors appear all over the place and fly in a set flight making them hard to avoid. After it’s done he congratulates the survivors and drop three items for players to grab.

- Make Tingle Damageable (Like Chansey)

- Birdo (Mario Bros.): He moves from side to side and begins to spitting eggs and fire balls. The color of the birdo would determine the amount of egg to fire ratio.

- Space Pirates (Metroid): A group of 3 to 4 pirates jump out and begin attacking the players with their lasers and claw blades.

- Octoroks (Zelda): Similar to Birdo but with rocks and fires them low to the ground and with the occasional hop.

This is just some ideas and not everything.

 

[refugee]

you're willing to put characters like prince fluff in ahead of tink and lucario? that's not going to happen lmao.

Who are you referring to as prince fluff? I'm pretty sure Jigglypuff is a female. How long a character has been in the smash series >>>>>>>>>> how cool a character is. Just look what happened to Mewtwo. Considering how the two you listed were just recently added they are the more likely to be cut then Jigglypuff. This is especially true for Lucario because he was put in to represent the latest generation of pokemon (Gen IV) and it's now generation V.

 

[Flame Hyenard]

Prince Fluff is from Kirby's Epic Yarn, I believe...

If Zoroark gets in SSB4 (which is most likely), I just hope they don't make it a Mewtwo clone and not make it bragging about its powers, just like a certain blue canine...

 

[refugee]

Did anyone even read this?
Right now, this idea of an actual-sized Ridley is worse than everyone's individual perceptions of the worst character currently in the series. Now I'm glad that most of our suggestions won't happen.

People are seriously arguing for him to be put in as his actual size? Dang I thought this would be common sense on why this wouldn't work. Props to you for explaining just how impractical it would be to do this to them. Hopefully they'll get the message.

 

[Arcadenik]

You know, maybe Ridley being big isn't that bad of an idea to begin with. He'd be tough as hell to balance, especially if he's Sentinel-size, but a big Ridley would be unprecedented for Smash. I mean really, you have a highly requested character with plenty of potential to truly stand out from the rest. What's not to like?

Thank you!

that is one of the worst lists i have ever seen...

alright, now that i regained my composure,........ why are there zero pokemon from generation V in the pokeballs list? you know what? i don't want to know.
there's so many things to say... i'd rather just leave it at that.

If I had to add 5th gen Pokemon for the Pokeball roster, I would have added the following:

- Victini (if not playable)
- Serperior (if 5th gen starters are not playable)
- Emboar (if 5th gen starters are not playable)
- Samurott (if 5th gen starters are not playable)
- Pansage / Pansear / Panpour
- Munna or Musharna
- Woobat
- Darmanitan (Normal and Zen Modes)
- Cofagrigus
- Zoroark (if not playable)
- Gothitelle
- Vanilluxe
- Emolga
- Keldeo
- Meloetta (Aria / Piroutte Formes)
- Genesect (if not playable)

A fighter that large would be an obvious problem. I already brought up complications that would come up in casual matches, so let me add some more: What happens if he gets a Super Mushroom? He's colossal already and fills most of the stage--but wait, that's his normal size, so he still gets affected. How would he work on small stages? What happens when HE gets his Final Smash? Should everyone else just stand there and take it? And do people think that he could avoid a PK Starstorm, Landmaster, End of Day, Rocketbarrel Barrage, Zero Laser, and MUCH more? What about transformations like Super Sonic? All Sonic has to do is float in the same spot as Ridley; same goes for Wario Man.

Multi-man Smash would be useless.
Home run Contest would be frustrating.
Break the Targets will be far too broken.
Boss Battles would be pointless.
All-Star mode would be cumbersome.

Maybe I'm being narrow-minded right? That's only the casual aspect of Smash--the competitive style that people will try to have would be better if we had an enormous fighter, wouldn't it? Especially if Ridley is too big to be grabbed, inhaled, lifted (DK style), Monkey Flipped, chewed (Wario), swallowed by Yoshi, or thrown. And, since Ridley is gigantic yet normal, what attack do you think would be used the most? His equivalent of a down smash? That move and many similar will be spammed until the match is finished. He's so big, that he could "roll" (or whatever equivalent) to the other side of the stage, he'd only jump once to recover, and he could pick people up and take them away...with one hand. Tournaments will ban him.

Right now, this idea of an actual-sized Ridley is worse than everyone's individual perceptions of the worst character currently in the series. Now I'm glad that most of our suggestions won't happen.

How about we try balancing a giant Ridley?

- no gliding like Charizard
- no multiple jumps like Charizard
- one high double jump like Yoshi
- floating horizontally like Peach (makes it easier for you to do Down+A to stab the ground with his tail)
- moves in the air fast like Meta Knight
- moves on the ground slow like Bowser
- powerful but slow attacks like Ganondorf (that should discourage people from spamming that Down Smash move like you feared)
- suffers knockbacks easily like lightweights (ie. Jigglypuff, Peach, etc.)
- Final Smash can be that move where he goes to the background and zooms towards the screen like he did in Brawl... anyone can avoid that, right?
- no one can inhale/swallow/grab Ridley unless they got Super Mushrooms or Ridley got Poison Mushrooms
- he's a big target so he can get attacked and sent flying off the stage very often even though he has very good recovery options (Up+B, floating)

That would be a good start, don't you think? I'm interested in hearing Kuma's opinion about my suggestions for balancing a giant Sentinel-like Ridley.

EDIT: OMG... I just had a fridge billiance moment now. Kuma and anyone else remember my Toad moveset ideas? The one where I suggested that Toad might shrink his opponents with Mini Mushrooms (they work the same as Poison Mushrooms anyway)... Toad could potentially use that move to shrink Ridley down so anyone else could inhale/swallow/grab Ridley. That would be kinda ironic... a giant space dragon brought down to his knees by a small Mushroom Retainer.

 

[refugee]

Prince Fluff is from Kirby's Epic Yarn, I believe...

If Zoroark gets in SSB4 (which is most likely), I just hope they don't make it a Mewtwo clone and not make it bragging about its powers, just like a certain blue canine...

So he is talking about Kirby? This just makes his argument more flawed then since there are much less calls to kick Kirby out of the game then Jigglypuff.

 

[refugee]

How about we try balancing a giant Ridley?

As a boss character? Sure. As an actual character that people will be playing with? Resize instead.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why are people so against a playable Sentinel-sized Ridley in Smash? As far as I can tell, Sentinel worked just fine in Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

 

[Steam]

Who are you referring to as prince fluff? I'm pretty sure Jigglypuff is a female. How long a character has been in the smash series >>>>>>>>>> how cool a character is. Just look what happened to Mewtwo. Considering how the two you listed were just recently added they are the more likely to be cut then Jigglypuff. This is especially true for Lucario because he was put in to represent the latest generation of pokemon (Gen IV) and it's now generation V.

prince fluff is a random kirby character I (and I'm sure others) had never heard of before. I'm not talking about coolness. Lucario has a very very very large fanbase :/

and history doesn't mean all that much, smash is a fanservice game, and while history means something, they're not going to go out of their way to serve fans that no longer exist.

 

[refugee]

Why are people so against a playable Sentinel-sized Ridley in Smash? As far as I can tell, Sentinel worked just fine in Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

Because it would be impractical and would require so much time to balance him for all the different game modes that it would be much easier just to resize him instead. SSB is nothing like MvC. What works in one game won't necessary work in the other.

 

[Steam]

A giant ridley wouldn't work on stages. platforms would cut him in half.

 

[refugee]

prince fluff is a random kirby character I (and I'm sure others) had never heard of before. I'm not talking about coolness. Lucario has a very very very large fanbase :/

and history doesn't mean all that much, smash is a fanservice game, and while history means something, they're not going to go out of their way to serve fans that no longer exist.

Where did I ever suggest that I wanted prince fluff in the game? Yes history does mean a lot or else one of those 12 characters would of been cut in brawl instead of Mewtwo and it's not going out of their way to reuse a character again.

 

[Steam]

Where did I ever suggest that I wanted prince fluff in the game?

someone else did in their predicted list. that's how I was talking to. because they had numerous characters (prince fluff included) being put in while tink and lucario got taken out. They wouldn't put in 20+ new characters without keeping ALL of the old ones.

and Zoroark has a decent shot at being a character. I see him as a pokeball pokemon that works kind of like a reverse clefairy. there's a chance he'll be a character but his popularity never really took off. 99% sure lucario will be in. Unless they add in Zoroark and they run out of time on him, though lucario will have a higher priority than mewtwo in brawl since he still has a very large fanbase. They'll try to put mewtwo in IMO, about a 50/50 shot.

 

[Arcadenik]

As far as I am concerned, it is either a giant Ridley or nothing. I do not want a Charizard-sized Ridley. I want a Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard-sized Ridley. Have you noticed that Sakurai never said anything about Ridley's size when he was asked if he ever considered Ridley for Brawl? He only mentioned Ridley's speed and how he would probably be made a bit slower to be balanced.

EDIT: It would be so anticlimactic to see a small Ridley fighting Samus in Smash 4 after we have seen a giant Ridley fighting Samus all the time in Metroid games and in Brawl.

 

[refugee]

someone else did in their predicted list. that's how I was talking to. because they had numerous characters (prince fluff included) being put in while tink and lucario got taken out. They wouldn't put in 20+ new characters without keeping ALL of the old ones.

and Zoroark has a decent shot at being a character. I see him as a pokeball pokemon that works kind of like a reverse clefairy. there's a chance he'll be a character but his popularity never really took off. 99% sure lucario will be in. Unless they add in Zoroark and they run out of time on him, though lucario will have a higher priority than mewtwo in brawl since he still has a very large fanbase. They'll try to put mewtwo in IMO, about a 50/50 shot.

Well I was replying to what are SSB staples and I said it would be the original 12 and some others because staples are

"A main or important element of something"

 

[Steam]

As far as I am concerned, it is either a giant Ridley or nothing. I do not want a Charizard-sized Ridley. I want a Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard-sized Ridley. Have you noticed that Sakurai never said anything about Ridley's size when he was asked if he ever considered Ridley for Brawl? He only mentioned Ridley's speed and how he would probably be made a bit slower to be balanced.

a giant ridley would just not work. even gigabowser is really janky and he doesn't sustain knockback at all... how would ridley's weight be? giant footstool box? would he be retardedly easy to shield poke? half screen roll?

edit: the did NEARLY remove ness from the brawl roster. he was a last second addition and I'm fairly sure either ness or lucas won't make it into the next one... not entirely sure.

and jiggz would probably be the first of the 12 to go actually. there are plenty of pokemon that make more "sense" first.

 

[refugee]

As far as I am concerned, it is either a giant Ridley or nothing. I do not want a Charizard-sized Ridley. I want a Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard-sized Ridley. Have you noticed that Sakurai never said anything about Ridley's size when he was asked if he ever considered Ridley for Brawl? He only mentioned Ridley's speed and how he would probably be made a bit slower to be balanced.

It doesn't matter what you want. Too bad it wouldn't be practical. He was probably assuming people had common sense and would know that he would obviously need to be scaled down to an acceptable level to be playable in smash like how Olimar was scaled up.

 

[Arcadenik]

It doesn't matter what you want. Too bad it wouldn't be practical. He was probably assuming people had common sense and would know that he would obviously need to be scaled down to an acceptable level to be playable in smash like how Olimar was scaled up.

There is no comparison between Olimar and Ridley. Olimar does not have anyone from Pikmin to contrast his size with in Smash. Ridley already has Samus... so why would Ridley be just a head taller than her after what we have seen all the times in the Metroid games? Talk about anticlimactic.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Seriously, is no one reading any of BirthNote's posts? He has some great points.

Honestly, no matter how much you balanced Ridley, he simply would not work if he was playable in his "actual-size." Characters should not be completely dumbed down in order to be "balanced" in Smash, like what you suggested Arcadenik. This just seems completely unfair.

First of all, it wouldn't matter how fast he is in the air or on the ground. In most cases, all he would have to do is roll once or twice and he'd be on the other side of the stage. This would break him completely. On the other hand, he would be so massive that avoiding any attack is impossible for him, which would make him a pretty much worthless character, and extremely frustrating to play as. The same goes for other game modes like Multi-man Melee... it would either be a joke because he could destroy all the wire-frames/alloys/whatevers instantly with one hit, or it would be beyond frustrating because he wouldn't be able to land a hit with five opponents hitting him nonstop.

BirthNote brought up too many good points to ignore, but I didn't notice any mention of how he would work on stages like Hyrule Temple or New Pork City. There are low-ceiling tunnel-like areas on those stages that Ridley would be too big too fit in. One of two things could happen... either Ridley's opponent could hide away inside the tunnel and attack away, knowing that Ridley can't go after them, or Ridley's attacks will be able to go through walls, further breaking him. And I don't really lie the idea of every stage being made specially suited to a single character...

I don't know what else to say but too look at all of BirthNote's points. It is obvious to see that a gargantuan Ridley would would not work in Smash for a minute. And I don't see why Ridley always needs to be "towering over Samus." He isn't always towering over Samus in all of his games, and it's not like he'd be smaller than Samus in Smash... he just wouldn't be as huge as usual, which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a nitpicker.

EDIT: It would be so anticlimactic to see a small Ridley fighting Samus in Smash 4 after we have seen a giant Ridley fighting Samus all the time in Metroid games and in Brawl.

It is so anticlimactic to see Princess Peach beat the crap out of a little Bowser in Smash. She doesn't so it in her games because being kidnapped is more epic.
^^This is the logic you are using here. And even so, Smash Bros. isn't supposed to be canon. In Melee, Bowser's size increased in all the Event Matches he was in that he fought Mario (Trouble King, Peach's Peril) and even at the end of Adventure Mode. Ridley could undergo the same treatment in any mode outside of Vs. Mode or Stadium or things like that.

 

[refugee]

a giant ridley would just not work. even gigabowser is really janky and he doesn't sustain knockback at all... how would ridley's weight be? giant footstool box? would he be retardedly easy to shield poke? half screen roll?

edit: the did NEARLY remove ness from the brawl roster. he was a last second addition and I'm fairly sure either ness or lucas won't make it into the next one... not entirely sure.

and jiggz would probably be the first of the 12 to go actually. there are plenty of pokemon that make more "sense" first.

Yes because he was similar to the character they were adding (Lucas). If one of them were to go it would be Lucas because Ness has the history of being part of smash (and also the one whose game has seen a release outside of Japan).

How would it make more sense? If it made so much more "sense" then she wouldn't of been put into the game 3 times in a row when by at that point there 100s of other opitions that according to you made more "sense".

 

[augustoflores]

So he is talking about Kirby? This just makes his argument more flawed then since there are much less calls to kick Kirby out of the game then Jigglypuff.

where in that sentence did he say prince fluff was kirby? prince fluff is a character in the game Kirby's Epic Yarn along with a yarn version of kirby... prince fluff is a one shot character we will never see again.

Why are people so against a playable Sentinel-sized Ridley in Smash? As far as I can tell, Sentinel worked just fine in Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

Sentinel is a S(entinel) tier character... that's not good in my eyes.

Lucario has a very very very large fanbase :/

do you think a fanbase makes a difference? that's too much very's. there is a fanbase for practically everything... granted some are small in comparison to lucario but what boosted that fanbase? the leaks, the cool image, the blue balls, the furries, the games, the movie, the smash brothers...
Lets pretend that Lucario's current fanbase is greater than the current fanbase of Mewtwo. Lets also just pretend lucario never became a smash brothers newcomer and Mewtwo still reigned as the anthropomorphic what ever he is.
Do you believe Lucario's fanbase would be less than Mewtwo's fanbase?

Spoiler

the whole pretending thing kinda got me confused when i re read my sentences... but since i knew what i was talking about as i am obliged to know... if it was too confusing, i don't blame you for not understanding... considering you are young and not well versed in your language.

 

[Arcadenik]

Giga Bowser size =/= Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard size.

Why isn't anyone getting this? I am not asking for a Giga Bowser-sized Ridley or even Brawl-sized Ridley... but I am not asking for a Melee-sized Ridley either. Where's the happy medium?

 

[refugee]

Seriously, is no one reading any of BirthNote's posts? He has some great points.

Honestly, no matter how much you balanced Ridley, he simply would not work if he was playable in his "actual-size." Characters should not be completely dumbed down in order to be "balanced" in Smash, like what you suggested Arcadenik. This just seems completely unfair.

First of all, it wouldn't matter how fast he is in the air or on the ground. In most cases, all he would have to do is roll once or twice and he'd be on the other side of the stage. This would break him completely. On the other hand, he would be so massive that avoiding any attack is impossible for him, which would make him a pretty much worthless character, and extremely frustrating to play as. The same goes for other game modes like Multi-man Melee... it would either be a joke because he could destroy all the wire-frames/alloys/whatevers instantly with one hit, or it would be beyond frustrating because he wouldn't be able to land a hit with five opponents hitting him nonstop.

BirthNote brought up too many good points to ignore, but I didn't notice any mention of how he would work on stages like Hyrule Temple or New Pork City. There are low-ceiling tunnel-like areas on those stages that Ridley would be too big too fit in. One of two things could happen... either Ridley's opponent could hide away inside the tunnel and attack away, knowing that Ridley can't go after them, or Ridley's attacks will be able to go through walls, further breaking him. And I don't really lie the idea of every stage being made specially suited to a single character...

I don't know what else to say but too look at all of BirthNote's points. It is obvious to see that a gargantuan Ridley would would not work in Smash for a minute. And I don't see why Ridley always needs to be "towering over Samus." He isn't always towering over Samus in all of his games, and it's not like he'd be smaller than Samus in Smash... he just wouldn't be as huge as usual, which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a nitpicker.

QFT This is exactly what I'm talking about here. It just wouldn't work.

 

[refugee]

where in that sentence did he say prince fluff was kirby? prince fluff is a character in the game Kirby's Epic Yarn along with a yarn version of kirby... prince fluff is a one shot character we will never see again.


Sentinel is a S(entinel) tier character... that's not good in my eyes.



do you think a fanbase makes a difference? that's too much very's. there is a fanbase for practically everything... granted some are small in comparison to lucario but what boosted that fanbase? the leaks, the cool image, the blue balls, the furries, the games, the movie, the smash brothers...
Lets pretend that Lucario's current fanbase is greater than the current fanbase of Mewtwo. Lets also just pretend lucario never became a smash brothers newcomer and Mewtwo still reigned as the anthropomorphic what ever he is.
Do you believe Lucario's fanbase would be less than Mewtwo's fanbase?

Spoiler

the whole pretending thing kinda got me confused when i re read my sentences... but since i knew what i was talking about as i am obliged to know... if it was too confusing, i don't blame you for not understanding... considering you are young and not well versed in your language.

Well where did I say prince fluff in my original post he was replying to? That's why I was asking him if he was referring to kirby/jigglypuff when he said that in his reply. I'm not advocating nor will I ever advocate for some one shot character like prince fluff to appear in SSB.

 

[refugee]

Giga Bowser size =/= Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard size.

Why isn't anyone getting this? I am not asking for a Giga Bowser-sized Ridley or even Brawl-sized Ridley... but I am not asking for a Melee-sized Ridley either. Where's the happy medium?

You are/were asking for his true size which equals to Giga bowser size. That's why no one is getting it; you keep flip flopping on your opinion.

 

[Steam]

Sentinel is a S(entinel) tier character... that's not good in my eyes.



do you think a fanbase makes a difference? that's too much very's. there is a fanbase for practically everything... granted some are small in comparison to lucario but what boosted that fanbase? the leaks, the cool image, the blue balls, the furries, the games, the movie, the smash brothers...
Lets pretend that Lucario's current fanbase is greater than the current fanbase of Mewtwo. Lets also just pretend lucario never became a smash brothers newcomer and Mewtwo still reigned as the anthropomorphic what ever he is.
Do you believe Lucario's fanbase would be less than Mewtwo's fanbase?

Spoiler

the whole pretending thing kinda got me confused when i re read my sentences... but since i knew what i was talking about as i am obliged to know... if it was too confusing, i don't blame you for not understanding... considering you are young and not well versed in your language.

Sentinel is mid tier. Even before his health nerf he was overrated. his size was his biggest weakness actually. everyone gets instant overheads on him.

It's possible that mewtwo would have a larger fanbase. but we're talking about hypothetical situations. at the time of brawl's creation Lucario was immensly popular, even moreso than mewtwo, whose popularity has dwindled considerably since melee 7 years prior due to all the new gens. They went with lucario because he simply had a higher fan base (according to polls at the time, he was 3rd behind jigglypuff and Pikachu for the most popular pokemon) At this point he's pretty much one of the faces of the franchise and is probably here to stay for awhile. I don't even WANT lucario to be in the next smash to be honest... he's perfect in brawl lol. but he'll probably be in

It also helps not to talk down to people, no reason to be upset.

 

[Arcadenik]

What I want is a playable Ridley who still towers over Samus but is still a reasonable size to be playable. I do not want a Charizard-sized Ridley (he is shorter than Samus) and I am not asking for a Giga Bowser-sized Ridley (he is too big) but I think a Super Mushroom-enhanced Charizard-sized Ridley would be sufficient as he still is about 3 heads taller than Samus.

If I keep flip flopping about Ridley, it is because part of me doesn't think Ridley should be playable in Smash because he is too big like he is in the Metroid games and in Brawl but part of me feels that IF he should ever become playable, he should still tower over Samus... I prefer a happy medium - somewhere between Melee Ridley and Brawl Ridley, if you understand what I am saying.

 

[augustoflores]

Okay, i got this... let me fix everything for you so you won't have to bother checking the past pages... just leanback...

it started with SonicPoke when he wanted.....

...(Less Toon Link and Lucario)...
-Prince Fluff (Kirby's friend instead of absorbing the Standard Special Move, He Could absorb the Side Special Move, the still not think of a final smash)

-then Steam responded to SonicPoke's Prince Fluff suggestion...

you're willing to put characters like prince fluff in ahead of tink and lucario? that's not going to happen lmao. even if they're lower on the priority list, they won't add in 20 new characters and cut lucario and tink. if the only added like 5? maybe.

tink of course referring to Toon Link... then you came in as if it was directed to something you said previously... most possibly because you two may have had a previous conversation... not gonna check...

Who are you referring to as prince fluff? I'm pretty sure Jigglypuff is a female. How long a character has been in the smash series >>>>>>>>>> how cool a character is. Just look what happened to Mewtwo. Considering how the two you listed were just recently added they are the more likely to be cut then Jigglypuff. This is especially true for Lucario because he was put in to represent the latest generation of pokemon (Gen IV) and it's now generation V.

Flame Heynard responded to your rather ignorant post with...

Prince Fluff is from Kirby's Epic Yarn, I believe...

If Zoroark gets in SSB4 (which is most likely), I just hope they don't make it a Mewtwo clone and not make it bragging about its powers, just like a certain blue canine...

you respond to the Flame by thinking Prince Fluff is kirby...

So he is talking about Kirby? This just makes his argument more flawed then since there are much less calls to kick Kirby out of the game then Jigglypuff.

clearly by your sentence, you refer to Prince fluff as kirby... you cannot deny this. whether you like it or not, this is what you said as it was left unedited.

prince fluff is a random kirby character I (and I'm sure others) had never heard of before. I'm not talking about coolness. Lucario has a very very very large fanbase :/

and history doesn't mean all that much, smash is a fanservice game, and while history means something, they're not going to go out of their way to serve fans that no longer exist.

Steam is wrong when he stated that P. Fluff is a random kirby character as P. Fluff is a main character in only one game... and of course you would come again thinking it was you who suggested P. Fluff...

Where did I ever suggest that I wanted prince fluff in the game? Yes history does mean a lot or else one of those 12 characters would of been cut in brawl instead of Mewtwo and it's not going out of their way to reuse a character again.

this is where i come in... the sentence i quoted from you was the one where you thought prince fluff was referring to kirby the character as the context had suggested...

where in that sentence did he say prince fluff was kirby? prince fluff is a character in the game Kirby's Epic Yarn along with a yarn version of kirby... prince fluff is a one shot character we will never see again.

self explanatory... see above.

Well where did I say prince fluff in my original post he was replying to? That's why I was asking him if he was referring to kirby/jigglypuff when he said that in his reply. I'm not advocating nor will I ever advocate for some one shot character like prince fluff to appear in SSB.

 

[SmashChu]

On the whole Ridley thing:

BirthNote made a great point. What a lot of people are forgetting is characters are functional. If we took all the characters in Smash and made them totally uniquer characters but with the same moves, it would work out the same. A character is just a vessel to play the game. But because of that, the character has to work. It's better to have a smaller Ridley that works then XBox huge one that doesn't. Besides, Ridley has been smaller in other games (Melee and the first Metroid) and I doubt people will care that much.

 

[augustoflores]

is this the ridley you want? or smaller?

Normal sized Ridley

 

[Flame Hyenard]

I think Ridley's dashing speed should be between Fox and Zero Suit Samus' Brawl Dashing, just to match his superiority over Samus.

 

[refugee]

Okay, i got this... let me fix everything for you so you won't have to bother checking the past pages... just leanback...

it started with SonicPoke when he wanted.....


-then Steam responded to SonicPoke's Prince Fluff suggestion...


tink of course referring to Toon Link... then you came in as if it was directed to something you said previously... most possibly because you two may have had a previous conversation... not gonna check...


Flame Heynard responded to your rather ignorant post with...


you respond to the Flame by thinking Prince Fluff is kirby...


clearly by your sentence, you refer to Prince fluff as kirby... you cannot deny this. whether you like it or not, this is what you said as it was left unedited.


Steam is wrong when he stated that P. Fluff is a random kirby character as P. Fluff is a main character in only one game... and of course you would come again thinking it was you who suggested P. Fluff...


this is where i come in... the sentence i quoted from you was the one where you thought prince fluff was referring to kirby the character as the context had suggested...


self explanatory... see above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KumaOso
Just read and I agree with the majority of it. The article does raise an interesting question though. Do we change up the roster to the point that we change up who's in the game in the name of diversity?

That was one of the main things behind MvC3's roster (and Megaman's exclusion). Could we see a repeat with Smash. If so, who would be considered the "staples" of the Smash series?
Off the top of my head; the original 12, Marth, Bowser, Peach, Zelda, and characters that are the only representation of their franchise.

That was the post that I got a email notification saying he replied to.


"clearly by your sentence, you refer to Prince fluff as kirby... you cannot deny this. whether you like it or not, this is what you said as it was left unedited."

Hell no I said IF. IF. IF he was referring to Kirby as Prince Fluff.

 

[refugee]

So he is talking about Kirby? This just makes his argument more flawed then since there are much less calls to kick Kirby out of the game then Jigglypuff.

This is the original post. The first part is asking if he was referring to Kirby. The second part was my response if he was. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Arcadenik]

is this the ridley you want? or smaller?

Something around this size, yes, but a little bit bigger than that. I don't want a giant broken Ridley but I don't want a small Ridley because that just does not do him justice at all! He should be the largest playable character in Smash with Bowser being the second-largest.

 

[augustoflores]

moot........

 

[refugee]

moot........

If this is toward me then I'll admit I'm at fault.

 

[augustoflores]

actually, i wrote something... then i submitted it... then i read you responded to something that made my message moot, so i edited it so it won't be viewed. no big deal... just don't like things that go on and on and on... things get boring, which is why i love smash... it isn't shipping various versions like an arcade edition lol cheap shot at capcom.

 

[Arcadenik]

LOL So true... here in Smash, we ship which is better: Melee or Brawl.

 

[refugee]

actually, i wrote something... then i submitted it... then i read you responded to something that made my message moot, so i edited it so it won't be viewed. no big deal... just don't like things that go on and on and on... things get boring, which is why i love smash... it isn't shipping various versions like an arcade edition lol cheap shot at capcom.

Rofl, alright lets just drop this then.