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[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

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how come people say Masked Man instead of Claus? they already know that masked man is actually claus right?
to me, saying Masked Man is like not calling him by his name.
 

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I' like to see a tag team mode in SB4. Pick 3 characters and have 3 lives. Each character gets one stock, and once the fist one is knocked-off the next comes in. Strictly speaking, this isn' a tag team mode, but I don't know what else to call it.

And as far as dream rosters for new characters go...
Rayman
Globox
Rabbids
E.W.J.
Mega-man
Vectorman
Toejam & Earl
Midna
Zant
Skull Kid (Majoras mask)
Young Link (with MM transformations)
Paper Mario
Count Bleck
Waluigi
Lord Bulbo? Pig thing from T.P.

Can't think of anything else at the moment. I'll add more later if I think of any.

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I' like to see a tag team mode in SB4. Pick 3 characters and have 3 lives. Each character gets one stock, and once the fist one is knocked-off the next comes in. Strictly speaking, this isn' a tag team mode, but I don't know what else to call it.
would be fantastic, would do to a team of villains against one of the heroes, playing partners put on the same team, and assemble teams to do anything! Congratulations great idea!

Rayman
Globox
Rabbids
E.W.J.
Mega-man
Vectorman
Toejam & Earl
Midna
Zant
Skull Kid (Majoras mask)
Young Link (with MM transformations)
Paper Mario
Count Bleck
Waluigi
Lord Bulbo? Pig thing from T.P.
The only people who agree is Waluigi and Megaman, maybe Young Link, this is my team:

Prince Fluff (would not be a clone of Kirby, his special moves are obviously similar, but react differently as well as Ness and Lucas, Fox and Falco, and so on ... Maybe, instead of absorbing the Standard special move, he would absorb the side special move)
-Waluigi (mario tennis based movements)
Megaman and Banjo-(the only ones who agree to enter the third party company to Sonic and Snake)
-Rockets (quanquer to appear in a Pokemon, but would like Team Rocket, with Arbok, Victreebel Lickitung and)
-Vaati (exit Toon Link)
-Daisy (Movement of different peach, not necessarily based on mario sports)
-Joe & Mac (classics that deserve to return)
-Bonk (Bonk: Brink of Extinction)
-King, K. Rool
-Rambi or Dixie (Rambi is very unlikely)

And so on ...
 

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Lord Bullbo? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I think the character wishlists get worse and worse every game. I don't want to see SSB5's wishlists.
 

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i hope when he said lord bulbo, he really wanted king bulbin.
if he was serious in adding that big quadruped, then he will forever be on my shiit list! (bit of venture bros reference lol)
 

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Lord Bullbo? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I think the character wishlists get worse and worse every game. I don't want to see SSB5's wishlists.
First of all, I love Zelda. Secondly, Lord Bulbo is a hulking beast. It's exactly what they want in their villians. Big, slow, and powerful.

I haven't critisized your desire to have Ridley in SSB4, and I hardly think it's a good idea. You have your wishlist, and I'll have mine.

Edit: augustoflores is right. I meant King Bulbin. Who's bulbo, the boar he rides? Also, someone mentioned Tingle. That would be hilarious. He's epic creepy.

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Lord Bullbo? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I think the character wishlists get worse and worse every game. I don't want to see SSB5's wishlists.
They're gonna be bad period. At least the gameplay one typically isn't as dumb.
 

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First of all, I love Zelda. Secondly, Lord Bulbo is a hulking beast. It's exactly what they want in their villians. Big, slow, and powerful.

I haven't critisized your desire to have Ridley in SSB4, and I hardly think it's a good idea. You have your wishlist, and I'll have mine.

Edit: augustoflores is right. I meant King Bulbin. Who's bulbo, the boar he rides? Also, someone mentioned Tingle. That would be hilarious. He's epic creepy.

:phone:

If you "love Zelda", then shouldn't you know who Lord Bulbo is?

Also, you can't really compare Ridley to King Bulbin, considering Ridley has immense popularity and is much more important to his series, much unlike King Bulbin who really has no chance of ever being anything more than a trophy at this point.

And as far as wish-lists go, the only character that I am actually rooting for to appear in a future Smash game is the Balloon Fighter. He fits the random retro character role perfectly, and I feel he has great potential for an extremely unique moveset.
 

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If you "love Zelda", then shouldn't you know who Lord Bulbo is?

Also, you can't really compare Ridley to King Bulbin, considering Ridley has immense popularity and is much more important to his series, much unlike King Bulbin who really has no chance of ever being anything more than a trophy at this point.

And as far as wish-lists go, the only character that I am actually rooting for to appear in a future Smash game is the Balloon Fighter. He fits the random retro character role perfectly, and I feel he has great potential for an extremely unique moveset.
Well said. Also going into the retro thing, I believe the Duck Hunt dog would be a lulzy addition to the roster... or at the very least, a Trophy. As for Zelda characters, why would he choose Bulbin when there are more prominent ones, like Vaati, or hell, even General Onox and/or Veran.
 

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who knows why... it's really not for us to know, personally, i'd prefer vaati, but i can't see that unless toon link is still in, but if toon link is still in then another slot must be used and i wouldn't want that.

i would like it if vaati is in skyward sword... i wanna see him not in a toony form.
 

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If you "love Zelda", then shouldn't you know who Lord Bulbo is?

Also, you can't really compare Ridley to King Bulbin, considering Ridley has immense popularity and is much more important to his series, much unlike King Bulbin who really has no chance of ever being anything more than a trophy at this point.

And as far as wish-lists go, the only character that I am actually rooting for to appear in a future Smash game is the Balloon Fighter. He fits the random retro character role perfectly, and I feel he has great potential for an extremely unique moveset.
It's been probably two years since I've played TP man, cut me some slack. Anyway, I just like the character design. Also, it's a fantasy roster. It's what I'd do if I could put in whatever I wanted. There's no need to get so serious about it.

In regard to Ridley, I'm not comparing it to King Bulbin. I'm just saying that the sheer size of the character makes it impractical. At least in my opinion. It has nothing to do with popularity.
 

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It's been probably two years since I've played TP man, cut me some slack. Anyway, I just like the character design. Also, it's a fantasy roster. It's what I'd do if I could put in whatever I wanted. There's no need to get so serious about it.

In regard to Ridley, I'm not comparing it to King Bulbin. I'm just saying that the sheer size of the character makes it impractical. At least in my opinion. It has nothing to do with popularity.
I understand. You're new here (as far as I can tell), so I hope we haven't almost scared you away from this place. A lot of people here, especially me, have a tendency to get real serious about character speculation. I don't know about everyone else here, but for me it's just a bad habit. However, that doesn't stop us from supporting our favorite characters (Balloon Fighter for me, Meowth for Arcadenik, and so on). Just a little about this place (assuming you aren't already familiar with it).

Now about Ridley... I don't think his size is a problem at all. He can easily be made smaller specially for a Smash appearance. The same was done with Bowser, who usually appears much larger than his Smash appearance. Also, don't forget characters like Kirby, Olimar, and Pikachu, all who are mere inches (give or take) tall in there respective games, but were increased in size especially for Smash.
 

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And honestly? I wouldn't judge King Bulblin as a horrible idea. If you said King Bulbin, I'd say that isn't likely. Lord Bullbo?

... Nominating an armored swine for a fighting game? To be blunt, the pig is a more minor character than the one-game miniboss that rides it. THAT is a stupid idea.

Now, something sort of important for people talking about Fire Emblem. If you're gonna use the JP name, can you use both the JP and US names? x_x Because, I can't speak for the entire board, but there are plenty of people who probably won't know what you mean by Nabarl and Sheeda.

It's almost as obnoxious as those people who are using the japanese names of the pokemon in the 5th generation because they think it's 'cooler'. No, it's confusing, is what it is. x_x

And not just Vaati. Majora's Wrath would take a slot over King Bulbin. And that would be the sex, right there. Oh yes.
 

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I did make an error with the name of the character, I meant King Bulbin. I can't say I really appreciate your back-handed compliment though.
I wasn't referring to yours, but I was talking about wishlists in general. More often than not, they're typically fueled by fanboyism and do not take into consideration of how they'd work and differentiate themselves from previously established charcters.
 

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I wasn't referring to yours, but I was talking about wishlists in general. More often than not, they're typically fueled fanboyism and do not take into consideration of how they'd work and differentiate themselves from previously established charcters.
Really? Here I thought Goku and Duke Nukem were totally valid characters. They're so much more likely than Ridley, after all. Even Bullbo the pig is. /sarcasm

Nobody can deny it. The lists are just sillier with every game. x_x The smartest wishlists were before Smash 64.
 

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Smash's learning curve is s joke. I can hand the controller to an eight year old and teach them how to be decent in a day. (Heck, I've done this before) You can hand me Street Fighter and teach me for a week with small progression. I think Smash could handle a modification to it's gameplay. I like my games like I like my vampires, complex and covered in glitter. But seriously, it WOULD be harder, yes. I'm not asking you to do anything too difficult. Read Kuma's post's people.


Andross and Metroid are up for changes, I really didn't think the boss gameplay through on a few of the choices.

Anyone have anything to say about the roster?
 

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oh! you've done that too? still its hard to really have their undivided attention.
 

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So, about that Metroid boss thing...is it really supposed to be just a metroid? Or are you planning on it being a mutant? What about Metroid Prime or Dark Samus? Sorry to ruin it for some but they're the same creature. Seriously though would you make Prime/Dark Samus the metroid boss or what? It just seems weird with all the metroids samus has killed and all.

EDIT: Okay, I'll ask later then.
 

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Smash's learning curve is s joke. I can hand the controller to an eight year old and teach them how to be decent in a day. (Heck, I've done this before) You can hand me Street Fighter and teach me for a week with small progression. I think Smash could handle a modification to it's gameplay. I like my games like I like my vampires, complex and covered in glitter. But seriously, it WOULD be harder, yes. I'm not asking you to do anything too difficult. Read Kuma's post's people.


Andross and Metroid are up for changes, I really didn't think the boss gameplay through on a few of the choices.

Anyone have anything to say about the roster?
Andross could work where you deflect the rocks back to him in the background while you can destroy his hands at a specified weakpoint. This is as close as you can get to the Starfox games within a Smash context. And I think Super Metroid Mother Brain OR the Queen Metroid would be better choices as Metroid bosses.

I think the hardest things with Street Fighter, not counting adjusting to the FG-exclusive direction inputs, are definitely the links, canceling, and charge inputs, but you can see this is an execution barrier mostly. But yes, people, please respond to my ideas. My ideas are about removing as much of the technical barrier as possible while still providing a very much deep game and rigid design to help make that depth understandable.

And on a side not, if you wanted to reduce the technical barrier of Street Fighter, all you'd really need to do is to turn most of the links into Revolver Actions. Shortie, if you want, I can give you advice to overcome the learning curve.
 

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on SCB's ssb4 roster

I wouldn't want to fight Petey Piranha again, a metroid... i would just use PK Freeze or anything ice climbers... that was easy!, Lucario... lucario gets buffered like any other combatant in brawl... i don't see him with stamina bars and invulnerable to buffers. masked man.......................... call him Claus. go ahead! you'll get used to it! aand, i would rather have him playable, Bass......... stamina? really? in smash? i don't see it... rather have wily in a wily bot. like eggman in a egg bot. black shadow? that whinny *****-willow!? please, bring in Deathborn. Shadow... okay, clearly you don't understand... shadow is too small!! eggman in a bot or Chaos... maybe Metal-Sonic... not sure if it is qualified... pichu costume play as pikachu......... they don't share the same hitboxes, no. Prince Fluff costume play as kirby... NO!!
as for playable characters... i dont really care... do what you please... im going to bed.

one more thing... what do you guys think the control screen should display in Smash 4 on the Nintendo Feel? (lolz i did not come up with this name nor is this name official... it is rumor.)
 

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If there really had to be one, I suppose it'd be stuff like lives or whatever, but I think that'd be more of a nuisance than a convenience. IMO, fighting games are not suitable for motion controls or whatever crazy stuff Nintendo comes up with.
 

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Is it still supposed to be a touch screen? If so it should be one big button to add another control scheme option for button layout.

If it's just display, it should show like lives, time remaining, team colour. The UI stuff.
 

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A Reply to SCB's Boss Roster

That Petey Piranha comment reminds me of a reply I had in mind.

Before I begin, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that Petey P. was the most popular "regular" boss in Sunshine. Gooper Blooper and Bowser Jr. would probably be on that (likely non-existent) list too, but Petey seems more plausible than the squid, and Jr. could get a Ridley reaction (aka "why didn't he get in?"). Since there's a good chance that SSB4 will feature Galaxy themes for Mario, it may be reasonable to have a Mario boss from those games to replace him. A problem with that is the fact that many of those masters use gravity-related mechanics. If the developers are willing to get past that, then could choose from:

(Fiery) Dino Piranha, (Fiery) Gobblegut
Sorbetti
Megaleg, Digga-Leg
Rollodillo
Kingfin
Peewee Piranha
Tarantox
Major Burrows
Glamdozer

Right now, those names are kinda on a...No List. Luckily they have characters who don't use gravity mechanics, like:

Bouldergeist
Bugaboom
Thunder Lakitu
Kamella
King Kaliente
Prince Pikante
Baron Brrrr
Whomp King
Squizzard
Topmaniac
Those turret Towers piloted by a mole. Can't remember the name.

So even though it would be easier to use a boss that didn't have a gravity mechanic, there are some that are possible, like Digga-Leg and others that may not work, like King Kaliente. I think that if they did use a Mario boss from either galaxy game to be a boss in Smash4, the most popular and plausible would make it. In my opinion, Digga-Leg (a large robot with a massive jump from Galaxy 2), Kamella (a giant female Magikoopa from Galaxy 1), and Thunder Lakitu (a massive Lakitu from Galaxy 2) have a good shot. I would choose Bouldergeist personally, but then there'd be a Master/Crazy hand problem.

To wrap this all up, while Petey Piranha is pretty popular and can still work as a master for Smash 4, there's a chance that the Mario Galaxy games will be featured. Because of this chance, using a boss from those games may be more suitable. I can't say who's popular, and not all bosses can be easily placed in Smash. I made some choices, BUT its based off of your idea, and this is just a suggestion.

EDIT: Did I miss any boss names?
 

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So we're talking wishlists? I can dig it.
Note: Some of these characters, while I'd love to see them are likely never going to be in a smash game.
Toad
King Boo
Waluigi
Isaac(I think it's likely)
Alex
Metang
Blaziken
Heracross
Porygon
Scrafty
Megaman(This one I find rather likely)
Aero the Acrobat
Prince Fluff
Gooey
Primid
Nester
Starfy(It's possible)
Animal Crosser(Might happen)
Alexandra Rovias
Knuckles the Echidna(Yes, I know.)
Kamek
Twinrova
Majora's Mask Link
Beast Ganon(Purple Pig with a trident style)
Tingle(I find this likely)
SOPHIA & Jason(Blaster Master)

This is in no way who I think will get in. I expect at least one of the ones I marked as being possible/likely to get in though.
So why these characters? Sure, sometimes it's purely personal preference(Metang, Toad), but mostly I'm intrigued about how some of them would play(King Boo, Beast Ganon, Twinrova).
 

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While I can hand controllers to a whole group of teenagers and adults and they just don't get it in the slightest. I'm not sure you're right on this one.
He is actually.

I've tested this. Taught my lil bro how to play basic pikachu. He can buffer chaingrabs, do QAC shenanigans, and knows how to space his moves instead of just mashing thunder and side B. It took around like 3 training sessions to teach him this stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like retardly huge learning curves but I want there to be more to brawl then simply reading the opponent. Seriously. This game is too much "Rock paper scizzory" thanks to dodge rolls, spot dodges, and shields.
 

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I wasn't referring to yours, but I was talking about wishlists in general. More often than not, they're typically fueled by fanboyism and do not take into consideration of how they'd work and differentiate themselves from previously established charcters.
That's why I like Zant in particular. He's on the large side, but fast. I think he could have a very spastic and entertaining move-set. King Bulbin was just kinda random, though he fits in with the pre-established villains in SB because he's large, slow, and powerful. The axe is cool too.

Anything is better than toon link, except maybe young link.
 

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He is actually.

I've tested this. Taught my lil bro how to play basic pikachu. He can buffer chaingrabs, do QAC shenanigans, and knows how to space his moves instead of just mashing thunder and side B. It took around like 3 training sessions to teach him this stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like retardly huge learning curves but I want there to be more to brawl then simply reading the opponent. Seriously. This game is too much "Rock paper scizzory" thanks to dodge rolls, spot dodges, and shields.
That's what I love about the game, out-maneuvering your opponent. There's the trade-off in speeed vs power, but that aside, all characters are basically equal. What I mean by that is that the controls and basic actions are more or less the same for every character.

Obviously there are some characters like jigglypuff that do handicap you. At least I think you're handicapping yourself by using him/it, but that has it's place too.
 

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Dammit Addict!! if you really don't know how to put multiple quotes in a single comment, use the simple method instead of double posting.

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see this? this is an "at symbol" used to refer to the last statement of the specified recipient. use it wisely because here at OSSB4DT, double posters are looked down upon.
if i had to guess, I'd say your "Edit Button" is a virgin. use that edit button, it needs some electric feel.
 

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I think it's hard to put value on the learning curve when it depends totally on the people you're teaching. I mean seriously, I tried teaching someone smash bros. when they played Mortal Kombat. Uhjm... Let's just say, they don't understand how to keep themselves on the platform.

x_x There might be a smart and attentive 8-year-old somewhere who I could teach smash to in 24 hours. But I also know there are some hopeless adults when it comes to teaching them Smash Bros., or anything LESS complicated.

But admittedly, on an overall scale, it probably has less of a learning curve to smash. But the way I look at Street Fighter is, button mashing gets you farther there than it does in Smash Bros.
 

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Not by much if the opponent is smart enough. To be fair though, there isn't much button mashing in Smash to begin with so saying any other game has more button mashing is like stating the obvious.
 

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Which is why I don't think dumbing down the game is gonna do anyone any good. For whatever reason, some people just don't understand certain games. And then you have those that don't have any interest whatsoever.
 

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for some strange reason, Up B is the hardest thing to do for them.

anyways.... Mario. they removed the mario tornado and moved it to his aerial down A in place of the FLUDD. a move hardly anyone uses effectively. clearly, this new move will be replaced with something else as Super Mario Sunshine has been old news since way before Brawl.
Mario is currently in the E class. what do you guys say we had him buffed.



when mario uses his Cape move, or Forward B for those unfamiliar with mario's moveset, hold B to enter his glide mode.
agreements? complaints?

what do you want his down B to be instead? and please don't say something ********.
 

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Mario is, without a doubt, the Ryu of Smash, the all around character. I say move his Tatsu/Mario Tornado back to Down B so he has a rushdown tool. For the cape gliding, I always liked this idea, but I fear it gives Mario too many tools. Mario could go edgeguard someone with his cape and then come back safe and sound without much risk. Maybe making it where he can throw it out after doing Up B might be a more balanced idea.
 

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I would love to see most veteran characters get a slight moveset change, but I guess that wouldn't be a problem if the controls were getting changed. Is the control system likely to change in the next smash?

As for Petey, I really wanted to do king boo after watching someone play Luigi's Mansion, but I knew that Petey was immensely more popular. What about using the female Magik Koopa? I forgot her name. And characters like Lucario, Shadow and Bass would play totally different then any giant bosses. They would work more or less like a really advanced AT with life. I picked lucario so every Gen could have inclusion. Bass is more plausible then Vile(Whome I wanted to include), and I really didn't want to have another giant "read my movements" boss so I didn't put Wily in.. Shadow would just be cool if he had some moves based off Shadow The Hedgehog. I was also happy to add Tails as an Assist Trophy.
 

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I'm definitely of the opinion that Mario Tornado should return to down B and I'd quite like Kirby's Fireball to return with it. The problem I have with the Tornado as it stands is that the move is named after Mario but is better when used by Luigi. How does that make sense?
On the cape, what if it replaced aerial forward B entirely? Would that be a good way to give Mario more recovery options without making his offstage combat too powerful?

As for the idea of regular character bosses, I'm in favour of that too, especially as it seems a great way to end the Lucario/Mewtwo complaints by sticking the older legendarys in as NPCs. Shadow totally needs teleporting moves if he's in and I'd love to see Bass make an appearance as he's probably my favourite Megaman character
 

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Anyone else here the Legend Of Paper Zelda rumor for the Cafe? Paper Link > Toon Link?
 

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bass vs vile... vile would have him beat in the awesome music category.
Bass theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPvDlm4WFY0
Vile theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeB-J1At7uk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIYA6CQ_E_k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g6wxKypPp4&feature=related and for the awesome lulz, some epic reorchestrated music and a remix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY4iaCto8U8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7fl3Cw4_o

ya know, i really can't find any good bass theme remix... also, i would want Megaman X over Megaman because of X's size, maturity, power, and music.

EDIT:
@shortie this?http://www.zelda.in/2011/05/legend-of-paper-zelda/ and hells yea! 4 new IPs!!! more new possible combatants!!!
Edit2: for those of you who don't know, an IP is an Intellectual Property, a new IP is a new game not franchised yet... it may or may not franchise... could be a one shot.
 
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