You clearly don't know what you're talking about then if you think Diddy's gameplay doesn't revolve around bananas. Because yeah, you can play Diddy without them, but you can play Snake with grenades, yet grenades are a huge part of his game, too. I almost think you're joking.
Okay, so I know you're not joking now.
But I apologize, I play Melee much more often than Brawl, and I rarely pay any attention to Diddy anyway. I wouldn't realy have anyway of knowing whether or not his bananas are actually important... I mean, its basically an item quickly and easily thrown in to his moveset.
But you see to be ignoring my other points. First of all, Dixie could be given the banana move, as I've said several times already. Second of all, like Soniccuz said, Diddy's Down-B doesn't necessarily have to be sacrificed for a transformation. It could be one of his taunts. And if one of his taunts is somehow essential to his gameplay, then maybe the extra button (in Brawl, the Down D-Pad button) could be used instead. There are so many possibilities that you are ignoring... it really depends on the character's designer and how they'd choose to implement it.
Samus counts. But she doesn't transform with a move, that was my point. And Mario's change was just a moveset change and that move wasn't a huge part of this gameplay to be honest. Plus, they made it his down-air, so it didn't even get fully removed.
Like I said above, Diddy and Dixie don't necessarily have to swap with a move. It all just depends...
They're both small chimps.
Mario and Luigi are both Italian plumbers with big noses, overalls, mustaches, and hats. Marth and Ike are both blueish/purplish haired swordsman that have capes and such. Ness and Lucas are both young boys with PSI powers and striped shirts. At least Diddy and Dixie's apparel differs a bit. Again... what's your point?
It's still a gimmick. And yeah they could do it, but why to an already existing character that works fine by himself? I still see absolutely no reason to change a character just because you want a new character to be in the game.
Yeah, but it's gimmicky appeal has worn off a bit since Melee. Which was a decade ago. I see absolutely no reason to NOT do it. He can still work fine by himself. Simple solution... just don't switch to Dixie Kong. Easy enough, right?
And I'm not biased towards Dixie in any way, if that is what you are hinting at in your last comment there. I've never even played a game she's been in (I've only played DKC1 and the only other DK game I own is DK64 which features much more of K. Rool, and no Dixie at all. If I was biased, it'd be towards K. Rool.). I just don't think the possibility of the two being paired is as ridiculous as you seem to think it is and is in fact quite likely to happen.
It's unnecessarily ridiculous. We could make a lot of things happen in the games, doesn't mean they should happen.
...I never said it SHOULD happen... I just don't see why it can't, to be honest.
And how many times were Diddy and Dixie paired together?
Once.
That's the point I was making. Not how many times the character has appeared, but how many times the pairing has appeared.
I don't really think this lowers the chances of it happening in any way. The point is, Dixie Kong was a main character in two DKC games, as was Diddy, and both are well-known and still around today.
Like I said before, a primary feature of the Donkey Kong Country games is traveling in pairs of Kongs that the player can actively switch between. Donkey Kong is the titular character of the series and originated as a singular character; both of these facts support the reason that he appears alone and not paired with Diddy. That leaves Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, and Kiddy Kong. All three debuted in DKC, and only Diddy and Dixie have stayed with the series since then, not to mention they both appeared in two of the more popular DKC games (Diddy in DKC1 and both in DKC2). They even appeared paired. With all of what I just pointed out in mind, Dixie ad Diddy being paired shouldn't seem so ridiculous, even if they were only paired once.
Not necessarily. Before Melee, I wouldn't find it ridiculous because they still function fine as it is. I have no problem with the concept of Diddy and Dixie being together entirely, though I don't really like the idea. I just don't like the idea of changing Diddy into Diddy/Dixie. That is what I'm against. I'm against the pairing of the two after Diddy has been established by himself. Dixie can be in as her own character, I don't care.
Once again... Dixie can be included without ruining the character of Diddy in any way.
Again, because Diddy is already by himself. And, as you just pointed out, they were only paired once.
Samus was already by herself. She got a transformation. And I already explained my reasoning on why only being paired once doesn't really matter much. Don't forget Zelda and Sheik were only paired once, and Sheik has only appeared in one game as well. Sheik should seem more ridiculous than Diddy/Dixie by your logic.
With your logic, Diddy should be put with DK because they were paired once before and the Donkey Kong Country games are unarguably the most popular and most well-known sub-series in the entire Donkey Kong series, and a big point of the series' gameplay is the fact that the player travels in pairs of Kongs that they can actively switch between, whether that be Donkey Kong/Diddy Kong, Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong, or Dixie Kong/Kiddy Kong.
I explained the difference above, but I'll explain again. Donkey Kong originated as a stand-alone character long before DKC. Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong both debuted in the DKC games, where "traveling in pairs and actively switching between kongs" was a primary feature. The only other character that could fit the same bill as these two is Kiddy Kong, and he hasn't appeared since.
Don't troll me. I've played all the games. That doesn't change my opinion.
I'm not trolling. Honestly, I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. I apologize.
Let me repeat again.
Diddy is fine by himself. He doesn't need to be changed JUST to have Dixie in. Dixie is fine by herself, I wouldn't mind the addition as long as she is unique and doesn't get in over K Rool. But not as a pair.
I don't see any logic behind this statement. The idea of the two being paired is ridiculous because you think Diddy and Dixie would work fine alone and Diddy doesn't need to be changed? Maybe you think so... but that is a totally subjective matter. I'm using logic, where you seem to be using bias.
Besides, I've explained how Dixie can be included without Diddy being changed. So if that isn't part of the equation anymore, what makes pairing the two seems o ridiculous now? I still don't quite understand...
Since when was Toad ever considered a major character, in a "Big 8" (which I've never heard of before, btw, kudos to making stuff up), in the Mario series? He's always been a minor character, regardless of playability, mind you.
Mario really doesn't need any more additions, but considering how unique Paper Mario is, how popular his sub-series is, and with the release of Paper Mario 3DS coming soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up. Bowser Jr. will always be a possibility, too, you can never knock him now.
I'm not making stuff up.
SuperMarioWiki ~ The "Big Eight" I've heard use of the "big eight" many times. Please, you don't have to be a jerk about it.
He's always been a minor character. but he is also iconic of the series, widely popular, and well known among many people, gamers and non-gamers alike. He's been with the series since it's beginning too. I've always considered Bowser Jr. a possibility since before Brawl. I just feel like his popularity and importance to the series overall has been dwindling recently. I hold him high on the list of Mario candidates, along with Toad and Paper Mario.
@Spydr, by the logic of "Character is playable beats out role in story" It's safe to say muddy mole could be the next Mario character. Toad IS iconic, and that is truely the only thing he has going for him. He returns time and time again as nothing short of a damsal in distress, or some sort of side mission character. Bowser Jr's role still is far more complex and important then guy who needs help. Like many things, I believe the big 8 isn't real. Bowser Jr. may not have to familar face that 40 year olds know, but ask any ten year old Mario player and they know him. He isn't obscure, he's important. While his role isn't like Mario/Bowser/Peaches, it's more similar to Luigi's. He's the right hand man, of the villains. Just a thought.
On the big eight thing, DK and Wario both have spun off into their own gig and only show up in mary spin-off titles at this point. It's more like (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Bowser Jr, Toad)
There is an obvious difference between muddy mole and Toad. I was only explaining how Toad being playable helps his case. It doesn't make his case of course, as he has much more going for him besides that.
The fact that Toad is iconic is a
HUGE advantage for Toad. I think the Big Eight is undeniably real, sometimes the Big Ten if you include the spin-off stars, Waluigi and Daisy. Think about it... all of these characters have been with the Mario series since it's beginning (or at least for a very long time, not as long in Waluigi, Wario and Daisy's cases), and since have become very popular, well-known, and recognizable among most people familiar with video games. Sure Bowser Jr. is more recognizable among ten year olds then forty year olds, but all that really does is help Toad's case. Like the forty year olds, these ten year olds will also know Toad. Being Iconic, being with the series from the beginning, and being a popular character (you should know he is popular, YOU made a poll that he got the most votes on out of all other characters in the Mario series(and I'm not saying that is the only source of his popularity)) are all in great favor of Toad, as opposed to Bowser Jr., whether or not Toad is a minor character or not.
Bowser Jr. doesn't really have a complex role anymore.. not since Super Mario Sunshine. This would have validated his appearance in Brawl if he had appeared, but no more. All he is now is a simple mini-boss... nothing very complex about it. On the other hand, look at Toad's role in Super Mario Galaxy. The Toad Brigade appeared in most of the galaxies Mario travelled to to offer their help, and not to mention they appeared in the hub of the game, the Comet Observatory. The Toad Brigade had an interesting little side story and aided in other minor ways than just giving advice. Overall, Toad's role here was much more complex than Bowser Jr.'s, who was once again, just a simple boss/mini-boss.
