[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[ToiseOfChoice]

I'm assuming Nintendo's programmers are people, and to my understanding, people dislike boring tasks. =P

"We were going to include certain characters, but the programmers were too bored to do any of the work we pay them to do."


I'm eager to jump into some arguments but the last several pages are a little too ******** for me. Need something good, give it to me people.

 

[Big-Cat]

Should Anthony Higgs be in SSB4 or should he not not be in SSB4? At least we can discuss a Metroid character that isn't Ridley.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

+ is a bro
+ has an awesome weapon
- still like Ridley more
- only been in one game so far

I vote yes!

I'm honestly more interested to see what's next for the Sakamoto games. Would be cool if he comes back, cooler still if he doesn't die, cooler times three if he was playable in some co-op Metroid business.

Of course that's just Opinion Toise. Analysis Toise says no dice for SSB4 right now.

 

[Big-Cat]

To be honest, I really hope Higgs doesn't ever get the boot. He managed to avoid the Black Guy Dies First cliche in its entirety and he's already popular with the Metroid fans and if Mewtwo's cut was any indication, Higgs dying will be suicide.

I'm curious what's going to happen next in the Sakamoto/Main Series games. From the looks of this game and Fusion, we'll be seeing a bioweapons plot.

 

[Starphoenix]

Toise has MPD confirmed! Just joking.

As for Anthony Higgs I think he would be a great candidate for SSB4. Given his relation to Samus and his appearance in Other M. Only thing though is the fact that he is a one time character so far. If this were his second or third game that would be one thing but one game doesn't mean much considering Dark Samus appeared in an entire trilogy yet only received a trophy (not even her battle theme)! I guess the difference between the two now is

Spoiler

Anthony isn't dead and can come back considering Sakamoto is taking control of Metroid once more.

Hopefully his growing popularity is enough to reach the development team for the next Smash.

 

[Big-Cat]

Higgs has another advantage over Dark Samus: Dark Samus seems like she could be a clone candidate just because she can do everything Samus can and may not be enticing enough to be worked on. Unless Higgs can turn into a ball, he has that advantage over her.

 

[Deicide]

Hi there this is my first post I have been a long time fan of the ssb series and before I say anything else may I ask whose Caeda? I've been a bigger fan of fire emblem than smash but I don't know who she is can someone tell me?

 

[Big-Cat]

You may know her as Sheeda. She's a lance user/Pegasus Knight from FE 1,3, 11, and 12

 

[Deicide]

oh thanks already being a rookie and I got some spoilers of Other M but thats okay its my own fault anyway I think Higgs would be a great addition to SSB4 just aslong as Ridley appears as well and Dark Samus is at least a Patlette swap. All though I would perfer Ridley more since he's classic the question is should it be organic Ridley or Meta Ridley?

 

[ChronoBound]

Ridley is all the Metroid series needs. 90% of Metroid fans would be happy if the only new character the series would ever get would be Ridley.

If Metroid should only receive one newcomer it should be Ridley hands-down. No other character from Metroid deserves a playable spot aside from Ridley.

Ridley is basically the last Nintendo all-star to not yet be playable in Smash Bros.

 

[Starphoenix]

Higgs has another advantage over Dark Samus: Dark Samus seems like she could be a clone candidate just because she can do everything Samus can and may not be enticing enough to be worked on. Unless Higgs can turn into a ball, he has that advantage over her.

Although technically a clone Dark Samus has a vast array of powers, but yes I know how little that means to Sakurai. lol

I guess for me I worry about the opposite end of the spectrum for Anthony and that is development not having enough to go off besides Plasma Beam to create a moveset for Anthony. Sure they could use some creativity, but how much before he ends up as a Samus/Solid Snake hybrid?


As for Ridley. No question they should use purple Ridley.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Toise has MPD confirmed! Just joking.

ANGER TOISE WILL SMITE THEE

There's been a general lack of impartiality in this thread lately except for a couple people, so I feel like I have to spell it out sometimes.


@Star/Kuma: I'd say the biggest advantage he has is being part of Sakamoto's main storyline instead of the Prime trilogy. And the whole "first supporting good guy not to die" bit within said arc. Really hope Sakamoto doesn't blow it by offing him in the name of forced drama (like Samus really needs more dead friends and family).

 

[Starphoenix]

Ridley is all the Metroid series needs. 90% of Metroid fans would be happy if the only new character the series would ever get would be Ridley.

If Metroid should only receive one newcomer it should be Ridley hands-down. No other character from Metroid deserves a playable spot aside from Ridley.

Ridley is basically the last Nintendo all-star to not yet be playable in Smash Bros.

I realize as such but it never hurts to have fun.

Quick question, I know you are a big FE buff but what is the general popularity of Caeda/Sheeda? I had heard it stated that she was one of the most popular characters in Japan and had always ran with that. Thing is I cannot find that information again and am unsure if it is even valid.

 

[ChronoBound]

I realize as such but it never hurts to have fun.

Quick question, I know you are a big FE buff but what is the general popularity of Caeda/Sheeda? I had heard it stated that she was one of the most popular characters in Japan and had always ran with that. Thing is I cannot find that information again and am unsure if it is even valid.

I am pretty sure the likes of Nabarl and Oguma are more popular than her, and both got more requests in Sakurai's Melee poll. In terms of female popularity from FE3/FE1, I think Chiki is actually the most popular female (Japan loves their lolis it seems), followed by Linda and Sheeda. Heck, Sakurai even said Nabarl was his favorite Fire Emblem character. Akaneia is definitely the most popular Fire Emblem universe in Japan. Heck, even the lords from the Jugdral got less than half the requests of Marth back in the Melee poll. Heck, Sigurd and Leaf only got 2 votes.

However, I don't think we will ever a see a non-lord playable in Smash Bros.

 

[Starphoenix]

I am pretty sure the likes of Nabarl and Oguma are more popular than her, and both got more requests in Sakurai's Melee poll. In terms of female popularity from FE3/FE1, I think Chiki is actually the most popular female (Japan loves their lolis it seems), followed by Linda and Sheeda. Heck, Sakurai even said Nabarl was his favorite Fire Emblem character. Akaneia is definitely the most popular Fire Emblem universe in Japan. Heck, even the lords from the Jugdral got less than half the requests of Marth back in the Melee poll. Heck, Sigurd and Leaf only got 2 votes.

However, I don't think we will ever a see a non-lord playable in Smash Bros.

Interesting, thanks for the clarification. I think I will drop my support for Caeda after that revelation.

I guess it is time for a new topic, question is what to rehash now? Leave the decision up to me and we all are going down the Dragon Quest road again.

 

[Deicide]

I am pretty sure the likes of Nabarl and Oguma are more popular than her, and both got more requests in Sakurai's Melee poll. In terms of female popularity from FE3/FE1, I think Chiki is actually the most popular female (Japan loves their lolis it seems), followed by Linda and Sheeda. Heck, Sakurai even said Nabarl was his favorite Fire Emblem character. Akaneia is definitely the most popular Fire Emblem universe in Japan. Heck, even the lords from the Jugdral got less than half the requests of Marth back in the Melee poll. Heck, Sigurd and Leaf only got 2 votes.

However, I don't think we will ever a see a non-lord playable in Smash Bros.

Despite what you said I think the Black Knight still can make a good addition to SSB4 seirously SSB needs more villians theres only 5 villians playable in Brawl and then theres like 30 of theme goody justice guys

 

[ChronoBound]

Despite what you said I think the Black Knight still can make a good addition to SSB4 seirously SSB needs more villians theres only 5 villians playable in Brawl and then theres like 30 of theme goody justice guys

Black Knight is dead and likely will never be revisited in the series.

As to villains that can realistically get in Smash Bros., these I would say are the most likely:

Ridley : basically the last Nintendo all-star not yet playable in Smash Bros.

K. Rool: though his chances might get hurt seriously if he does not have an important role in Donkey Kong Country Returns.

Bowser Jr.: though he faces some serious competition for the fifth Mario slot from Toad and Paper Mario.

Black Shadow: however, his chances really hinge upon a new F-Zero being made before Sakurai begins development on Smash 4, and also Sakurai having the common sense to realize that Ganondorf's current moveset would be a perfect fit for Black Shadow.

 

[Deicide]

Black Knight is dead and likely will never be revisited in the series.

As to villains that can realistically get in Smash Bros., these I would say are the most likely:

Ridley : basically the last Nintendo all-star not yet playable in Smash Bros.

K. Rool: though his chances might get hurt seriously if he does not have an important role in DKR)
Bowser Jr.: though he faces some serious competition for the fifth Mario slot from Toad and Paper Mario

Black Shadow: however, his chances really hinge upon a new F-Zero being made before Sakurai begins development on Smash 4, and having the common sense to realize that Ganondorf's current moveset would be a perfect fit for Black Shadow.

Just as long as Path of Radiance Ike is in over Raidant Dawn Ike I'm pretty sure he has a chance as for K. Rool well well yeah there's not gonna be any Kremlings in the game just evil tikis so now that you metion it K. Rool's chances now seem smaller

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

I am pretty sure the likes of Nabarl and Oguma are more popular than her, and both got more requests in Sakurai's Melee poll. In terms of female popularity from FE3/FE1, I think Chiki is actually the most popular female (Japan loves their lolis it seems), followed by Linda and Sheeda. Heck, Sakurai even said Nabarl was his favorite Fire Emblem character. Akaneia is definitely the most popular Fire Emblem universe in Japan. Heck, even the lords from the Jugdral got less than half the requests of Marth back in the Melee poll. Heck, Sigurd and Leaf only got 2 votes.

However, I don't think we will ever a see a non-lord playable in Smash Bros.

heck


Kinda surprised people still think they'd bother with various existing characters. If they want more FE, it's either Roy or a new lord that doesn't exist yet.

Also I like how ChronoBound thinks Ridley is the only "all-star" who isn't playable yet.

 

[ChronoBound]

Just as long as Path of Radiance Ike is in over Raidant Dawn Ike I'm pretty sure he has a chance as for K. Rool well well yeah there's not gonna be any Kremlings in the game just evil tikis so now that you metion it K. Rool's chances now seem smaller

Black Knight's chances are laughable. His story is finished.

As to K. Rool being in Donkey Kong Country Returns, despite there not being any "crocodiles", there is still a chance that K. Rool could show up. In Donkey Kong Country 3, K. Rool was (quite literally) the main guy behind the curtain, despite it actually being told in the story that KAOS was the villain. K. Rool could very well show up as being the one controlling the tikis in DKR, considering that K. Rool has operated like that in the past.

 

[Deicide]

Hey the Black Knight is part of my Dream Roster a guy can dream can't he? just let me dream! as for Krool yeah besides if anything I have a feeling it will be a long time before SSB4 comes out that Krool might return in some other game besides this one it took 6 or 7 years to make Brawl after Melee taht Krool might have enough time to appear in more once again after the post-Rare days for DK, however the chances of SSB4 actually seems also not possible wasn't it call the Brawl that "Finshes" them all? And if Master Hand was killed by Tabuu in SSE could that also be a possible ending to the SSB series? Where would smash be without Master Hand? With Crazy Hand? oh that would be wild!

 

[Starphoenix]

Black Knight's chances are laughable. His story is finished.

As to K. Rool being in Donkey Kong Country Returns, despite there not being any "crocodiles", there is still a chance that K. Rool could show up. In Donkey Kong Country 3, K. Rool was (quite literally) the main guy behind the curtain, despite it actually being told in the story that KAOS was the villain. K. Rool could very well show up as being the one controlling the tikis in DKR, considering that K. Rool has operated like that in the past.

Piggy back. Not to mention there is always the possibility of him being hidden away in this games Lost World as a secret, true final boss. Or he could also appear as a cameo character along the lines of Cranky Kong or Funky Kong, maybe they'll say he is reformed now, I don't know.

 

[majora_787]

I'll admit, the Black Knight would be cool, but as I've been told many times now despite not having PLAYED Radiant Dawn (I want to!!)... He survived the building, and died later anyway. So yeah, he's dead. Fun. He probably won't get through.

Oguma, Nabarl, Shiida... Good god, I cannot keep up with all of the fricking name changes in Fire Emblem, and I've only played TWO UNIVERSES. As far as I know, Navarre/Nabaru/Nabarl/Whatever is the WORST when it comes to names. Blargh.

And as to the way earlier comment, yeah, sorry. Who am I to decide people who work for nintendo are people, and like people, hate doing large amounts of work for long periods of time for little to no outcome? How dare I. HOW. DARE. I. /sarcasm

I think Ridley really IS the only big all-star left anymore for Smash, but I'd say if K. Rool isn't dried up yet, he makes that list as well.

A lot of the retro characters don't really count, considering they either have been either...
1) not been in a game for 10-20 years, or...
2) had been in 1-4 games, and just RECENTLY got revived after 10-20 years.

 

[Starphoenix]

A lot of the retro characters don't really count, considering they either have been either...
1) not been in a game for 10-20 years, or...
2) had been in 1-4 games, and just RECENTLY got revived after 10-20 years.

It appears to me the next series in line for a retro revival is possibly the Takamaru series.

Just remembered, I was supposed to do a Dragon Quest primer for Toise awhile back... Oops.

 

[ChronoBound]

It appears to me the next series in line for a retro revival is possibly the Takamaru series.

Just remembered, I was supposed to do a Dragon Quest primer for Toise awhile back... Oops.

Actually Takamaru never had a series, but rather only one game. It was called Nazo no Murasame. So it would actually be called the Nazo no Murasame series if it were a series (it would be like calling the Zelda series the "Link series"). Interesting thing is though is that the Ice Climbers are the only character in Brawl with a series with only one game. Heck, even Pit and ROB have two games. If Takamaru were to be included he would be the first new series added since the Ice Climbers to have only one game.

 

[Starphoenix]

Actually Takamaru never had a series, but rather only one game. It was called Nazo no Murasame. So it would actually be called the Nazo no Murasame series if it were a series (it would be like calling the Zelda series the "Link series"). Interesting thing is though is that the Ice Climbers are the only character in Brawl with a series with only one game. Heck, even Pit and ROB have two games. If Takamaru were to be included he would be the first new series added since the Ice Climbers to have only one game.

I knew that, but considering Nazo no Murasame is not the name of the series either (as there is none) I simply titled it the Takamaru series.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

And as to the way earlier comment, yeah, sorry. Who am I to decide people who work for nintendo are people, and like people, hate doing large amounts of work for long periods of time for little to no outcome? How dare I. HOW. DARE. I. /sarcasm

You're suggesting that people will refuse to do their jobs on the grounds that it's too boring.
"Who cares about living expenses, I'm not having fun at work! **** THIS I'M OUT"

I think Ridley really IS the only big all-star left anymore for Smash, but I'd say if K. Rool isn't dried up yet, he makes that list as well.

You wanna know why that's a stupid statement?

** "All-Star" is vague as all hell and usually used to justify Example X via popularity (whether it's accurate or not is another thing)
** Metroid isn't as big as people make it out to be (meaning neither is Ridley)
** It implies that hype from new characters is a strong factor in the game's success (as if adding characters from series less popular than Smash itself is especially productive)


Not that Ridley shouldn't be included, but calling him "the last Nintendo all-star to not yet be playable" is just plain ignorant.

Just remembered, I was supposed to do a Dragon Quest primer for Toise awhile back... Oops.

Yeah like three months ago. I'll still check it out if you find/make it though.

 

[ChronoBound]

Ridley is basically the only character with a large fanbase outside of Smash Bros. for a veteran series that is not yet playable. Metroid is also quite popular and well-known with gamers.

Face it Ridley is the last all-star not yet playable. I can't think of a single character that is as well-known and important from within their own series that has not yet been made playable like Ridley. K. Rool, while important within the DKC series, was not with the Donkey Kong series from the beginning (like Ridley) was and may be fading out of importance. Bowser Jr. only appeared in the last decade for the Mario series, and Toad while he started important, basically faded into obscurity after the SNES (and only got a resurgence in importance after NSMBWii).

 

[Starphoenix]

Starting off the Dragon Quest series is composed of two sets of trilogies and 3 individual games.

Dragon Quest I-III is known as the Loto/Roto/Erdrick Trilogy (I'll go with Erdrick as that is the official English translation). This trilogy centers around the legendary hero Erdrick and his ancestors, chronologically it follows III-I-II.

Dragon Quest IV-VI is known as the Zenithian trilogy. It centers around a floating kingdom known as Zenithia. The chronology is debated in this series as there are things that seem to contradict one another.

Dragon Quest VII-IX are stand alone title and have non relation to one another outside of Dragon Quest IX's Legacy Maps and equipment. Dragon Quest III, V, and VIII are generally considered the best in the series with V touting probably the deepest story. The main characters in each game lack personality as they are developed more so as avatars to represent the player in contrast to certain other RPG's. So generally the team members develop the personality and thus the fanbase. Bianca, Maribel, Jessica, and Erdrick are probably the most popular characters in the series. Though all of them pale in comparison to the Slime. One funny thing about the Dragon Quest series is beyond inventing the RPG model itself as it was developed a year prior to Final Fantasy it also predates Pokémon. For several games the series had a monster recruiting system that allowed you to include random monsters on your team. Which later spun off into the Monsters series. Because the list of varying monsters have been generally small over the years it isn't difficult for a character like Slime to emerge as the mascot, especially when the series is devoid of many stand out characters. Slime has received it's own spin off twice, one being a title only released in Japan and the other known as Rocket Slime. Slime is without question the mascot of the series and most popular character at that. Strangely it is akin to that of Pikachu, there is no one set Pikachu yet there is as well. Though that might have had more to do with the anime at the time.

If you want to know anything else feel free to ask.

 

[ChronoBound]

I would say a Dragon Quest representative would probably be more deserving for Smash Bros. than a Final Fantasy one. For one, the main series of Dragon Quest has returned to Nintendo consoles, unlike Final Fantasy. Also, there was a crossover game between Mario and Dragon Quest called Itadaki Street DS. However, who could represent Dragon Quest?

I think it would be either a Slime or a generic hero. However, I think Slime is more famous as being the "face" of Dragon Quest especially in Japan. Heck, look who is featured on the box art to represent Dragon Quest:

Hmmm, I am curious to hear your opinion on a playable Dragon Quest representative, Starphoenix. The biggest problem with Slime is the lack of limbs, however, I am certain that basically anything could have a moveset if you worked hard enough at it.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Ridley is basically the only character with a large fanbase outside of Smash Bros. for a veteran series that is not yet playable. Metroid is also quite popular and well-known with gamers.

Face it Ridley is the last all-star not yet playable. I can't think of a single character that is as well-known and important from within their own series that has not yet been made playable like Ridley. K. Rool, while important within the DKC series, was not with the Donkey Kong series from the beginning (like Ridley) was and may be fading out of importance. Bowser Jr. only appeared in the last decade for the Mario series, and Toad while he started important, basically faded into obscurity after the SNES (and only got a resurgence in importance after NSMBWii).

This is false, but whatever.

If you think Metroid is bigger than the likes of DK, or even Wario or Kirby, well that's just funny because it's factually wrong.

If you don't think K. Rool, Dixie, Little Mac, Mewtwo, Roy, Mona, or even Samurai Goroh on a good day compare to Ridley (I'm assuming we're not including 3rd parties), then I can only assume you only visit/listen to places that generally emphasize the same few series (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash) when it comes to Nintendo. That'd explain the myopia.

The "hasn't done much lately (how lately is lately enough?)" and "hasn't been around as long as Character X (how long is long enough?)" justifications fit pretty well under the whole "vague as hell" bit I mentioned before. Guess as long as it fits your own wacky definition, it's okay, right?



@Star: I thought it was gonna be some YouTube link or a PM with pictures and characters and whatnot like some big presentation, don't know why. Guess this is pretty solid too though, but maybe I should just wait until someone else who knows as much as you do shows up and I can just follow whatever you two would discuss.

edit: oh wait, I tried Googling some of the characters you mentioned and got this:
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/dragonquest/dragonquest.htm

WHY CAN'T YOU KIDS USE GOOGLE


edit2: CB, I know what you think, I also know you're completely unaware of all but the most vocal opinions in regards to, well, everything. To be fair, that seems to be par for the course for most people who obsess over this stuff, so consider yourself enlightened compared to the random fan who asks for Kool & the Gang

 

[ChronoBound]

Toise is basically in the minority regarding this.

I would say the only other characters in the same league as Ridley in terms of being known would probably be K. Rool, Toad, Dixie, Bowser Jr., and maybe Little Mac. Everyone else is pretty much minor minor.

I have been doing roster speculation since the pre- Melee days, and pretty much the only character that got significant requests back then, during Brawl, and now that is not yet playable IS Ridley. Maybe Toad fell into this as well, however, his fanbase usually evaporated as soon as Peach's specials were revealed.

 

[Starphoenix]

I would say a Dragon Quest representative would probably be more deserving for Smash Bros. than a Final Fantasy one. For one, the main series of Dragon Quest has returned to Nintendo consoles, unlike Final Fantasy. Also, there was a crossover game between Mario and Dragon Quest called Itadaki Street DS. However, who could represent Dragon Quest?

I think it would be either a Slime or a generic hero. However, I think Slime is more famous as being the "face" of Dragon Quest especially in Japan. Heck, look who is featured on the box art to represent Dragon Quest:

Hmmm, I am curious to hear your opinion on a playable Dragon Quest representative, Starphoenix. The biggest problem with Slime is the lack of limbs, however, I am certain that basically anything could have a moveset if you worked hard enough at it.

Slime would more than likely be what they would go with. Right off the bat the first obstacle is his lack of limbs but really it would not be much of an issue if he/she were developed correctly. For starters it's gelatinous, which means they could morph its body to hang onto ledges or grab opponents. My particular idea as far as throws are concerned is Slime wraps around the characters, pressing "A" will cause him to constrict and then the throw. Picking up items will not be a problem as Slime has lifted treasure chests and crates in Rocket Slime for the DS. This isn't even to mention Slime's magical abilities which more obviously would come into play when dealing with special moves. This is rough mockup:

UpB: Balloon - Rocket Slime
B: Frizz - Dragon Quest
DownB: Buff - Dragon Quest
ForwardB: StretchShot - Rocket Slime

Normal moves could be a little more creative and make use of body shifting, magic, stretching, ramming attacks, however they feel like doing it. It has options, it isn't limited by it's lack of appendages. If I had to pick a Final Smash I would either go with a King Slime or the Schleimann tank.

I have very valid reasons why I believe the Dragon Quest series could appear in a future Smash Bros title but I have rewritten that wall of text so many times I amn quite frankly tired of doing so for maybe 3 sets of eyes outside of myself.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think a potential recovery move for Slime would be for it to temporarily sprout bat wings, since I know there are some Slimes that have them. Also, I would be curious to see your reasoning as to why Dragon Quest will be given a guest character position. Another problem with Dragon Quest is that it has continued to be niche in the West despite a massive advertising campaign for recent installments.

 

[Starphoenix]

I think a potential recovery move for Slime would be for it to temporarily sprout bat wings, since I know there are some Slimes that have them.

I think you are referring to Drakky. Those are not variations of Slimes actually. The variations are Slimes, Liquid Slime, HealSlime, King Slime, Jewel Slime, Slime Knights and the newly introduced Slime Stack.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think you are referring to Drakky. Those are not variations of Slimes actually. The variations are Slimes, Liquid Slime, HealSlime, King Slime, Jewel Slime, Slime Knights and the newly introduced Slime Stack.

According to this link, a winged slime exists.

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Slime_(Dragon_Quest)

Also, I would be curious to see your reasoning as to why Dragon Quest will be given a guest character position. Another problem with Dragon Quest is that it has continued to be niche in the West despite a massive advertising campaign for recent installments.

 

[Starphoenix]

According to this link, a winged slime exists.

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Slime_(Dragon_Quest)

Also, I would be curious to see your reasoning as to why Dragon Quest will be given a guest character position. Another problem with Dragon Quest is that it has continued to be niche in the West despite a massive advertising campaign for recent installments.

Strange, apparently it isn't the Drakky? Must have been a one time enemy in the Monster series? Hmm...

Dragon Quest IX performed better than at least I and others expected but yes I see your point in comparison to say Final Fantasy. Part of that fault lies with Enix for never porting the original series to the West, but oh well. That being said we cannot disregard the series insane popularity in Japan. I have heard people rebut me by saying Sakurai won't only focus on Japan, which is perfectly valid. Come on, 4 million copies in under a month?! Square Enix wants to continue to advertise the Dragon Quest series in the West and Nintendo is poised to continue the marketing campaign until Dragon Quest X is released. Heck, Yuji Horii (director of the Dragon Quest series) and Masahiro Sakurai just had a sit down together where they did discuss Smash Brothers briefly. Though I'm not going to jump the gun here as there is nothing in there to infer that Slime has a better chance at all than before.

 

[ChronoBound]

Heck, Yuji Horii and Masahiro Sakurai just had a sit down together where they did talk about Smash Brothers. Though I'm not going to jump the gun here as there is nothing in there to infer that Slime has a better chance at all now.

Link now.

I think I remember what you are talking about.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134208

This was with one of the producers for Dragon Quest, not Yuji Horii.

Also, on the subject of developers who are buddies with Sakurai, Suda51 seems to hang out a lot with Sakurai, but what is most intriguing is that Suda51 has even stated that he wants Travis Touchdown to some day be in Smash Bros.

 

[Starphoenix]

Link now.

I think I remember what you are talking about.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134208

This was with one of the producers for Dragon Quest, not Yuji Horii.

Also, on the subject of developers who are buddies with Sakurai, Suda51 seems to hang out a lot with Sakurai, but what is most intriguing is that Suda51 has even stated that he wants Travis Touchdown to some day be in Smash Bros.

Well in my defense it is late where I'm at so... Point is somebody in the development team was talking with Sakurai.

As far as Travis Touchdown is concerned I don't think he is simply important enough to appear. Metal Gear Solid, Sonic the Hedgehog, Megaman, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Castlevania; these are all large series with an extensive catalogue and history (some with Nintendo than others). No More Heroes is a new IP that isn't all that spectacular, in my opinion. The second title was superior to the first in almost every way yet it sold poorly over all? I don't even see the NMH series continuing beyond a third installment. Plus, though content can be cut I don't really know if Nintendo wants to associate with that. Yes we have the Metal Gear Solid series in Smash, it is a mature game; even that isn't nearly as "mature" some of the things in No More Heroes.

Short answer, outside of a Kojima situation I don't see this one happening.

 

[majora_787]

I dunno why Little Mac is an all-star, hasn't he been in like, half of his own games at best?... I'll admit he's high up there, but I wouldn't put him THAT high...


Anyway, I'm gonna vanish while the Dragon Quest discussion goes on, because I know nothing of the series. I'll be back when I know what's happening.