[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[n88]

-I would replace Tingle with another Toon rep, most likely Toon Zelda, because Sakurai has actually considered her before others. WWSD, "What would Sakurai do?" I alwasy ask myself that.
-Same thing with K. Rool, I would replace him with Dixie Kong becuase Sakurai has already tried to place her in two games.
-No Ridley in Metroid, he's a better boss IMO.
-I'd replace Mewtwo with Lucario, he is more up to date.

Why?
That's more likely to happen, but nobody wants it to happen.

Tingle is getting another spin-off and is gaining poularity, so he beats Toon Zelda.
WWSD is not a good idea. I asked myself that and then tripped my little brother and got yelled at.

Ridley is the most commonly requested character for SSB4, so please don't start the Ridley discussion again. He gets in. End of story.

K. Rool is a much better character than Dixie Kong (like Ridley, this has been brought up multipple times in this thread).

Mewtwo is more popular than Pokemon. He beats Lucario.

According to Sakurai, Melee has 26 characters and Brawl has 39. Therefore, he counts transformations as separate characters. Think about it. They take the same amount of effort as designing another character. Just because they don't get a spot on the CSS doesn't mean they're not characters.

Lucario didn't replace Mewtwo. Originally, they were both going to be in, but Mewtwo was cut for time constraints.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Why?
That's more likely to happen, but nobody wants it to happen.

Exactly. Like I said, WWSD, "What would Sakurai do?" I want Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo-Kazooie, etc. But, if the game ever came out in the next 5 or 6 years, I don't want to get myself all hyped up thinking they will get in. Because when they don't, I'll feel like I did after Brawl, extremely disappointed.

Why?

Tingle is getting another spin-off and is gaining poularity, so he beats Toon Zelda.
WWSD is not a good idea.

You may be right about Tingle, but Sakurai seemed to have his eye's on Toon Zelda, so he's obviously wanted her to be playable. That's where I got my Toon Zelda idea.

And WWSD is a great idea. Because if a game ever comes out, then I won't be disappointed.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To KumaOso:

I made some comments of mine for your wishlist, and I also made some coments for Spydr Enzo's comment toward your wishlist. Here they are:

Ridley can so make a good playable fighter. He should have gotten in before that Zero Suit transformation of Samus.

Since most people don't want the three Starfox characters cut from SSB4, then Nintendo should add Krystal as its fourth Starfox rep. And they should make it so only one of them has the Landmaster as their FS and give them all different Final Smashes.

For the Pokemon series, if Mewtwo gets in SSB4 instead of Lucario, then I guess it's fine by me.

For the Zelda franchise, we don't need anymore toon reps. Link should be given his Wolf transformation with Imp Midna by his side. And Ganondorf should be decloned (I feel so bad for him, but I can't play as him in a Smash game unless he's decloned). And I would like to keep Sheik. I'm fine with Tingle in SSB4's playable roster.

For the Animal Crossing rep, I personally believe it should be the Animal Crosser. And his color schemes should be different costumes with different hats and accessories, like a pirate theme could be his blue team outfit, for example.

If WarioWare gets a new SSB4 rep, I would prefer it to be Kat & Ana.

And Pikachu and the current Pokemon Trainer in Brawl are fine in Smash 4, but we don't need Jigglypuff. If anybody is going to say that Jiggs should stay just because it's part of the "original tewlve," then I don't think they could come up with a better reason.

The Fire Emblem series only needs two reps for Smash 4, and they are... Marth and Ike!

Your roster has its good points, like including Little Mac and Saki.

To UberMario AND KumaOso: If you didn't mention Porky because his spider walker is too small, then you should know that he can get a smaller walker for Smash 4.

 

[n88]

He didn't say that it was a prediction. He asked what people thought of it. Nobody would predict that roster because Sakurai would screw it over royally (WWSD), but it is one of the best imaginary rosters I've seen, so I like the roster, and find no need to adjust it.

Krystal should not bea added. She's not as relevant as Falco, and Wolf is a unique moveset, why would you cut him?

The FE series is coming out w/ an 11th game. It could use a 3rd character. You're trying to add a Mother rep, but FE is way bigger and less dead than Mother.

Jigglypuff should return, not because he/she was in three games, but because he/she has a unique moveset and was important in the original show.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Ridley is the most commonly requested character for SSB4, so please don't start the Ridley discussion again. He gets in. End of story.

K. Rool is a much better character than Dixie Kong (like Ridley, this has been brought up multipple times in this thread).

Jeez, protective of Ridley, are we? I just don't see it happening. Sorry. Sylux or Dark Samus before Ridley.

And like Toon Zelda, Dixie Kong was wanted and considered by Sakurai... twice. I'm pretty sure she is the most likely DK rep.

Mewtwo is more popular than Pokemon. He beats Lucario.

According to Sakurai, Melee has 26 characters and Brawl has 39. Therefore, he counts transformations as separate characters. Think about it. They take the same amount of effort as designing another character. Just because they don't get a spot on the CSS doesn't mean they're not characters.

Lucario didn't replace Mewtwo. Originally, they were both going to be in, but Mewtwo was cut for time constraints.

The character select screen is just the thing, Sakurai will only allow a certain amount of reps on it, it will possibly be increased to five in SSB4. But you have to face the facts. In Brawl, Sakurai only wanted 4 reps per series on the CSS. Otherwise Doctor Mario would have been there, he was scrapped anyway. You have to understand why those characetrrs were cut: the CSS. Think about it.

And Mewtwo and Lucario have about the same popularity, Lucario is ore up to date, you get your winner. Add a next gen pokemon in SSB4 and you get five spaces. End of story.

 

[UberMario]

To UberMario AND KumaOso: If you didn't mention Porky because his spider walker is too small, then you should know that he can get a smaller walker for Smash 4.

Actually, I didn't include him because I haven't played any of the Mother games, so I wouldn't know how Porky would attack.

LOL "His spider walker is too small."

 

[Fatmanonice]

On the European version of Brawl, Banjo-Kazooie 1 and 2 are in the chronicle.

Probably because 1. RARE used to be a second party to Nintendo and 2. RARE's a British company. Also, regarding what was said earlier about the DS games, one was a remake and the other was a party game so it's kind of hard to give that much weight to either. Like I said earlier, the last original game RARE made for a Nintendo system was like 4 years ago. There's also the fact that RARE has already said for the record that neither Banjo games would be released for the VC while the first has already been released for the XBox Arcade.

 

[§leepy God]

Jeez, protective of Ridley, are we? I just don't see it happening. Sorry. Sylux or Dark Samus before Ridley.

♪ I stop reading here, Sylux would be lucky to get in maybe because of the Metriod Prime 3 ending and Dark Samus is basically dead so she won't getting any screen time. Ridley is the biggest impact on the Metriod series since the first one, if he's not playable, then I don't know who would. †

 

[Tacel]

Sylux or Dark Samus before Ridley.

I don't play mush Metroid, but I'm pretty sure Ridley is a more famous villain in Metroid than them.

And Mewtwo and Lucario have about the same popularity

I have to disagree.
Mewtwo is waaaaaaay more popular than Mewtwo.
Mewtwo has been around longer than Lucario.

 

[n88]

Yes, I'm more than a tad protective of Ridley and more than a tad tired of Ridley discussion. Forgive me if that was a little much. I tink Ridley will actually have a low chance, due to his gargantuan appearance in Other M, but he should get in, and I'm hoping that Sakurai will pick up on that.

Dixie has been considered twice, but has also been rejected twice. She may be more likely than K. Rool, but not more deserving.

Spoiler

Plus, if you post anything anti-K. Rool, MasterWarlord will find you.

On the Lucario vs. Mewtwo thing...

Lucario isn't as popular as Mewtwo, though. People who hate Pokemon were upset when Mewtwo was removed, whereas they treat Lucario like they treat all other Pokemon. Plus, they're all PO'd at Lucario for taking Mewtwo's spot, which seriously detracts from his popularity.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

He didn't say that it was a prediction. He asked what people thought of it. Nobody would predict that roster because Sakurai would screw it over royally (WWSD), but it is one of the best imaginary rosters I've seen, so I like the roster, and find no need to adjust it.

Krystal should not bea added. She's not as relevant as Falco, and Wolf is a unique moveset, why would you cut him?

The FE series is coming out w/ an 11th game. It could use a 3rd character. You're trying to add a Mother rep, but FE is way bigger and less dead than Mother.

Jigglypuff should return, not because he/she was in three games, but because he/she has a unique moveset and was important in the original show.

You find no need to adjust it, and you glorify it and praise it... but you adjust it anyway.

Sorry, I don't want to start a flame war or anything like that, but I can't help but think WWSD? Its the way I think and I just can't see any other characters than ones Sakurai would put in. In fact, I've been working on a roster for a while and have only come up with 8 newcomers (along with 6 possibly scrapped Newcomers).

By the way, Krystal is the most popular Starfox character not represented in Brawl. She would be in, I'm pretty sure of it.

Jigglypuff needs to stay. Once again, I know people hate this, but the "Original 12" thing. Sakurai wants to keep them due to their nostalgic worth.

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

Toad has an even worse chance than Waluigi. He should have a better one, but he doesn't. He'll get a boost from New Super Mario Bros Wii, but the Toads are now a generic race of NPCs.

Sorry, but I think that Toad should have (and in my opinion, has) a good chance of getting in. (Here comes the fanboy rant...)

1. Toad was part of the SMB2 4 and the big 8, both of which Waluigi and Jr. are not a part of.

2. There is A Toad and the is the RACE of Toads.

3. Toad has material he can draw moves from, as well as his own game.

4. Toad was a character created with intent of him being a real character, not some weird clone droppleganger or generic mischievous, evil child.

5. With SMB Wii AND SMG2 coming out (both games featuring distinct Toads with distinct characteristics and personalities) he has an even greater chance in the future.

6. Waluigi and Bowser Jr. suck.

Alright, I'm done. Anyone is free to retort.

 

[n88]

I was targeting those comments towards Mario the Jumpman's criticisms of that guy's roster, not the roster itself, although I would remove Krystal on second thought. I find almost no need to adjust it.

One of the reasons that we're at odds here is that you're being realistic. [Tone=depressed,comical] This is a place where I'm trying to establish my hopes and dreams, which you're ruining with all that realism. [/Tone=depressed,comical]

How do we know that the Toads from NSMB Wii and SMG2 have personalities?

Waluigi does suck. He shouldn't get in before Toad, but I have a felling he would.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

He didn't say that it was a prediction. He asked what people thought of it. Nobody would predict that roster because Sakurai would screw it over royally (WWSD), but it is one of the best imaginary rosters I've seen, so I like the roster, and find no need to adjust it.

Krystal should not bea added. She's not as relevant as Falco, and Wolf is a unique moveset, why would you cut him?

The FE series is coming out w/ an 11th game. It could use a 3rd character. You're trying to add a Mother rep, but FE is way bigger and less dead than Mother.

Jigglypuff should return, not because he/she was in three games, but because he/she has a unique moveset and was important in the original show.

First of all, you do know how bad I want Krystal in Smash 4's playable roster, do you?

Second of all, Jiggs is no longer important to the anime. The "original twelve" thing is plain lazy and uncreative. I've said that at one time or another. I could say it again.

 

[n88]

It's not just Original 12. Do you have any idea of the ****storm Sakurai would bring down on himself by removing Jigglypuff? Anyway, she's popular in Japan. Guess where Sakurai's from.

I hate to say it, but in the words of Spydr Enzo, WWSD?

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

How do we know that the Toads from NSMB Wii and SMG2 have personalities?

SMG2 has the Toad Brigade, which do have distinct traits.

NSMB Wii just has art, which seems to reflect at least some personality.

Spoiler

Okay, it's kinda a stretch, but the Toads do have significant roles in the game.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Why do Japanese gamers favor Jigglypuff so much?

 

[Clownbot]

Mewtwo is waaaaaaay more popular than Mewtwo.

lolwut?

First of all, you do know how bad I want Krystal in Smash 4's playable roster, do you?

Yeah, you've made that pretty clear to everyone.

Personal opinion doesn't affect the roster unless its that of the game's creator.

Second of all, Jiggs is no longer important to the anime. The "original twelve" thing is plain lazy and uncreative. I've said that at one time or another. I could say it again.

Nevertheless, you're still an intelligent person.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

I was targeting those comments towards Mario the Jumpman's criticisms of that guy's roster, not the roster itself, although I would remove Krystal on second thought. I find almost no need to adjust it.

One of the reasons that we're at odds here is that you're being realistic. [Tone=depressed,comical] This is a place where I'm trying to establish my hopes and dreams, which you're ruining with all that realism. [/Tone=depressed,comical]

So there you go. You're free to dream and hope while I'm free to think realistically. End of Story.

The reason I think realistically is because I was like you when Brawl came out. I had a roster of 50+ characters (can't quite remember the roster). I was incredibly disappointed, and now I don't enjoy Brawl as much as I would have if my expectations weren't so high. Plus, I just like to predict and see how close I am, and IMO, I am very close, seeing how I've done enough work on this realistic roster of mine.

And you stated earlier about Ridley's gargantuan appearance, and why that may be holding him back, and I agree. I also agree he has a small chance, but it still isn't very likely that he would make it as playable. He's big, he should be a boss.

I hate to say it, but in the words of Spydr Enzo, WWSD?

Personal opinion doesn't affect the roster unless its that of the game's creator.

THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING!

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

And you stated earlier about Ridley's gargantuan appearance, and why that may be holding him back, and I agree. I also agree he has a small chance, but it still isn't very likely that he would make it as playable. He's big, he should be a boss.

Not so big here...

EDIT: Ugh, pic died. What I'm saying is, in the NES era, Ridley was just a head taller than Samus.

 

[Jimnymebob]

The picture is dead, and please don't say it's another Ridley argument

He's too big, he can be sized down, a Space Pirate is the best choice for a new Metroid rep.

Bye.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

The picture is dead, and please don't say it's another Ridley argument

He's too big, he can be sized down, a Space Pirate is the best choice for a new Metroid rep.

Bye.

Once again, someone understands!

But I don't agree about the Space Pirate thing, it would either be Dark Samus or Sylux.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Ridley can be resized, and he'll still be cool. Need I remind you about his fanbase?

 

[Tacel]

He's big, he should be a boss.

I'll let Mario the Jumpman speak for me:

Arguing about Ridley's size has no point other than to tick of his fans.

 

[n88]

I had never played Smash before Brawl came out, so I suffered zero disappointment. I hope because I get over it quickly when my hopes are not met. I have thought about SSB4 realistically, but it's not very much fun, because most of the picks are very obvious. Of course, you also have to conssider that we may not see SSB4 for another 5-6 years. That leaves time for a new series to be created, or an old stupid character to become relevant (or a character to become a stupid piece of crap).

Before Other M, Ridley had a chance, but have you seen him in that trailer? His biceps are about the size of Samus!! Plus, he's already been a boss once, so this will hurt him quite a bit, but maybe not too much to recover from, as SSB4 is a long way off.

I thought I would contribute that, but let's move on as there's not much more to say about Ridley.

What do people think about some kind of new mode in Smash? I was thinking it would be cool to see something along the lines of SoulCalibur III's Chronicles of the Sword? Or something similar.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To n88_2004: Could you explain how SC III's Chronicles of the Sword Mode works? Thank you!

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Ridley fans, I understand your anger with me. But like n88 2004 stated, Ridley is HUGE! Resizing him would look incredibly stupid. Sure Bowser was resized, but Bowser wasn't much bigger than he is in Smash anyway, maybe only a few feet. You would have to take maybe more than a dozen feet off of Ridley to make him playable, and that would make him less appealing anyway.

Sorry, didn't notice n88's edit. END RIDLEY DISCUSSION! NEW GAME MODES!

Anybody else hope there isn't another SSE? It takes up too much space, we could have a ton more content without it.

 

[Jimnymebob]

What makes Ridley so worthy of a spot on the roster?

 

[n88]

To n88_2004: Could you explain how SC III's Chronicles of the Sword Mode works? Thank you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJPkDzQlLZI
That^^ (Maybe w/o character creation)

Anyone who wants to know about why Ridley should/shouldn't be in SSB4 can look through the last 1200 pages. Probably 200+ pages are about Ridley.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Ridley can so be appealing when shrunk. I saw how he would look and it looks awesome, even though his neck was scrawny. I though it was so impressive, that I thought it would be pointless to argue about Ridley's size if they've seen it. And it was posted on this forum. And it won't take a thousand pages, though it might take several dozens.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

What makes Ridley so worthy of a spot on the roster?

He possibly deserves a spot because he's been in the Metroid games since the beginning. The thing is, he's not going to get a spot. He looks like a boss, he's always been a boss, maybe... maybe he should be a BOSS!

Ridley can so be appealing when shrunk. I saw how he would look and it looks awesome, even though his neck was scrawny. I though it was so impressive, that I thought it would be pointless to argue about Ridley's size if they've seen it. And it was posted on this forum. And it won't take a thousand pages, though it might take several dozens.

Believe what you want, but MARK MY WORDS, if the next game ever comes out, Ridley WILL NOT be playable. You can think whatever you want, it's fine with me, but just you wait and see.

 

[UberMario]

Sorry, but I think that Toad should have (and in my opinion, has) a good chance of getting in. (Here comes the fanboy rant...)

1. Toad was part of the SMB2 4 and the big 8, both of which Waluigi and Jr. are not a part of.

2. There is A Toad and the is the RACE of Toads.

3. Toad has material he can draw moves from, as well as his own game.

4. Toad was a character created with intent of him being a real character, not some weird clone droppleganger or generic mischievous, evil child.

5. With SMB Wii AND SMG2 coming out (both games featuring distinct Toads with distinct characteristics and personalities) he has an even greater chance in the future.

6. Waluigi and Bowser Jr. suck.

Alright, I'm done. Anyone is free to retort.

I agree with everything but 6. Peach can just have Perry for her B Move.

 

[Fatmanonice]

♪ I stop reading here, Sylux would be lucky to get in maybe because of the Metriod Prime 3 ending and Dark Samus is basically dead so she won't getting any screen time. Ridley is the biggest impact on the Metriod series since the first one, if he's not playable, then I don't know who would. †

Ridley's importance to the Metroid franchise is enormous considering he was the one who killed Samus's parents and was the one who lead a raid that ultimately destroyed Samus's homeworld. Also, regarding the hunters, why Sylux over the others? The ending of Metroid Prime 3 is meerly speculation and, wonderful question, who does anyone not know this could be a sign that ALL the hunters will make a come-back? If this is the case, again, how would you decide who's the most important of all of them? Regarding Dark Samus, there's a really high chance that it's completely dead considering the end of Metroid Prime 3 pretty much featured the destruction of all Phazon.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

n88_2004, something like SC III's CotS Mode was a great idea. How many characters would the players be able to pick if this idea of yours got into Smash 4, and would it have any save features?

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

I agree with everything but 6. Peach can just have Perry for her B Move.

Um... Yeah. I just sorta have an inner hatred for those two... And some of Peach's moves have definitely been SPP-ized already, so it only makes sense to draw something else from the game. And Perry may very well serve the same purpose Toad does now. And it'd make more sense (I mean, WTF? Since when has Toad ever attacked with spores?)

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Anybody want the return of Race to the Finish? That was epic in Melee, I play Classic as captain falcon every once in a while just to get to the end (or attempt to). This time, I think there should be 5 levels of it. Depending on which difficulty level you're doing, you'll get a different level. No enemies, items, or anything in the Race to the Finish. It should also be an option in the Stadium.

Second, I liked the Target Test from Melee. The music was awesome, but also everybody had their own Target Test level. They taught you how to use each character's moves, sort of. If SSB4 features this style, than I would want the items to be removed from the Target Test.

 

[Clownbot]

Anybody want the return of Race to the Finish? That was epic in Melee, I play Classic as captain falcon every once in a while just to get to the end (or attempt to). This time, I think there should be 5 levels of it. Depending on which difficulty level you're doing, you'll get a different level. No enemies, items, or anything in the Race to the Finish. It should also be an option in the Stadium.

Second, I liked the Target Test from Melee. The music was awesome, but also everybody had their own Target Test level. They taught you how to use each character's moves, sort of. If SSB4 features this style, than I would want the items to be removed from the Target Test.

YES!

Race to the Finish was EPIC, and so were individual Target Smashes. Both should return, as well as Board the Platforms.

 

[UberMario]

Um... Yeah. I just sorta have an inner hatred for those two... And some of Peach's moves have definitely been SPP-ized already, so it only makes sense to draw something else from the game. And Perry may very well serve the same purpose Toad does now. And it'd make more sense (I mean, WTF? Since when has Toad ever attacked with spores?)

Maybe he discovered another use for those magic potions.

If he does get in, he should have either his MK64 voice or his MP voice (which is his
Japanese MK64 voice as well). I don't like that new voice they gave him.

 

[Clownbot]

Sorry I didn't catch this earlier, but...

He possibly deserves a spot because he's been in the Metroid games since the beginning. The thing is, he's not going to get a spot. He looks like a boss, he's always been a boss, maybe... maybe he should be a BOSS!

Believe what you want, but MARK MY WORDS, if the next game ever comes out, Ridley WILL NOT be playable. You can think whatever you want, it's fine with me, but just you wait and see.

There's nothing I hate more than when a person thinks they're so sure of something that they say it as if its pure fact, especially when it isn't.

Ridley is the 2nd most important character in the Metroid series; even if he DOESN'T get in, he SHOULD.

 

[sundayseclipse]

hmmm


mario-6 reps
donkey kong- 3 reps
wario/wario ware-3
zelda-6 reps
metroid-3
pikmin-2
f zero 2
retro-4(tentive)
pokemon-6 reps
kirby-4
starfox-4 reps
3rd party- ??? um 5-6 maby
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golden sun- 2 reps
sin and punishment-1-2
others-1-4

any ideas for others.
i think its suitable for each franchise, sry if i forgatin any.
if you disagree your scared of change and progress.


and kudos to clownbot above ^^^^^