[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Knyaguy]

Bowser Jr., Toad, or Paper Mario.

Bowser Jr. paintbrush=win. New face of evil doers in Mushroom Kingdom.

Edit: You crazy Clownbot.

 

[Clownbot]

Yes, Bowser Jr. is win. Especially after you've read his moveset in MYM5./is still too lazy to post a link

EDIT: Oh, you sane Knyaguy, you.

 

[Knyaguy]

I found it, its pretty long but looks good so far.

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[Isidro25]

DUUUUUUUUUUDE.

I'm gonna read the entire thing later, but FRICKINGHEAVENSWOAHS.

SEE!? So much fricking talent right there! Hopefully will be put to good use!! Awesome!

 

[666Philotanus666]

a better stage builder, improve online gaming, include characters like banjo-kazooie and megaman, Rosalina(SMG) and Ashley (WWT)(like assistants would be cool!!!) would be awesome too!!! and a little bit more personal, the removal of Jugglypuff, Falco and Lucas!!! and make Peach faster like she was in SSBM...oh! and that thing with the smash ball, like the specials(B) there sould be 4 diferent final smashes

 

[Clownbot]

DUUUUUUUUUUDE.

I'm gonna read the entire thing later, but FRICKINGHEAVENSWOAHS.

SEE!? So much fricking talent right there! Hopefully will be put to good use!! Awesome!

lol, yeah; they REALLY go all-out in that contest.

 

[sundayseclipse]

Bowser Jr., Toad, or Paper Mario.

EDIT: @sundayseclipse, why'd you delete your question? Now the people who haven't read it and see my post will think I'm crazy.

the forum is weirds its saying outve 1262 so i posted somthing rabdom to see if it would direct me to it

oh and 666
DOUSE NOT APPROVE

 

[Lord Viper]

banjo-kazooie and megaman, Rosalina(SMG) and Ashley (WWT)(like assistants would be cool!!!)

☆ Only charcter I would agree with is Ashely since she's a kick *** character, maybe Rosalina since she might be more into the Mario series, but not Banjo-Kazooie since Rare is no longer Nitnendo. ☆

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

Since this is a thread for ALL things SSB4 related, I'll just go ahead and leave you with my list of most wanted SSB4 songs.

Mario Land - Birabuto Overworld
Mario Land - Muda Overworld
Mario Land 2 - Star Maze
Mario Land 2 - Overworld theme 1
Mario Galaxy - Gusty Garden
Mario Galaxy - Drip Drop Galaxy
Mario Galaxy - Battlerock Galaxy
Super Paper Mario - Tilt Island
Mario 3 - Hammer Bros.
Mario 3 - Water Land map music
Mario 64 - Dire Docks
Super Paper Mario - The Ultimate Show
Super Paper Mario - Promise
Paper Mario - Credits
Mario World - Map theme
Yoshi's Island - Overworld theme 4
Yoshi's Island - Castle Theme
Yoshi Touch 'n' Go - Challenge Mode
Yoshi NES - Star Music
Yoshi NES - Mushroom Music
Yoshi NES - Title Music
Tetris - Type C
Ocarina Of Time - Lost Woods
Link To The Past - Sanctuary Dungeon
Links Awakening - Ballad Of The Wind Fish
Zelda Minish Cap - Minish Village
Zelda Minish Cap - Cloud Tops
Phantom Hourglass - Final boss
Zelda Spirit Tracks - Main theme
Zelda II - Battle
Zelda II - Overworld
Zelda II - Town
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald - Slateport City
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald - Flood
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Violet City
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Azalea Town
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Goldenrod City
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - Johto Routes 36/32/34/35/37/40/45
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal - National Park
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum - Jubilife City
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - Final Rival Battle
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - S.S. Anne
Pokemon Anime - Mezase Pokemon Master
Pokemon Anime - Gotta catch 'em All
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Bianca City
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Cloud Carpet
F-Zero Maximum Velocity - Title
F-Zero SNES - Silence
F-Zero SNES - Death Wind
F-Zero Climax - Lightning
F-Zero Climax - Illusion
Earthbound - Because I love you
Earthbound - Smiles And Tears
Earthbound - Twoson
Earthbound - Giygas theme
Earthbound - New Age Retro Hippies
Metroid Prime 3 - Rundas Battle
Metroid Prime 3 - Gandrayda Battle
Metroid Prime 3 - Skytown
Knuckles Chaotix - This Horizon
Knuckles Chaotix - Isolated Island
Knuckles Chaotix - Speed Of Sound
Sonic 3 - Ice Cap Zone
Sonic 3 - Lava Reef
Sonic 2 - Unknown Track 10/ Hidden Palace
Sonic 2 - Metropolis Zone
Sonic R - Living In The City
Sonic 06 - Dreams Of An Absolution
Photo Channel - Beautiful
Sonic 3 - Hydrocity
Sonic 3 - Endless Mine Zone
Sonic 2 - Chemical Plant Zone
Sonic Jam - Overworld
Sonic Jam - Inside A Building
Sonic 2 - Sweet Dreams
Wave Race 64 - Main Theme
Wave Race 64 - Milky Lake
Wave Race 64 - Castle City
Balloon Kid - Level 1 music
Balloon Kid - Title
Golden Sun - Main Theme
Golden Sun - Sol Sanctum
Golden Sun - The Golden Sun Rides
Golden Sun - Saturos Battle
Wario Land 4 - Monsoon Jungle
Wario Land 4 - Palm Tree Paradise
Warioware - Tomorrow Hill
Warioware - Yellow Murmur (Kelerometer)
Donkey Kong Country - Aquatic Ambience
Donkey Kong Country - Mine Cart Madness
Donkey Kong Country - Treetop Rock

Comments? Anything you think I've missed out?

 

[Jimnymebob]

Needs more Starlight Zone from Sonic The Hedgehog.

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

Needs more Starlight Zone from Sonic The Hedgehog.

I was going to include that, but there's such thing as too many Sonic songs, and my list was getting desperately close to reaching that point, so I only included those that I personally liked more. Star Light is a nice, nostalgic song, but I just felt it didn't have enough of a kick to it, you know?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

GamenerdAdvance, you forgot to add Brawl's version of Shin Onigashima (if you liked that song).

By the way, I think Bowser Jr. has the greatest chance of being the Mario series new rep, being able to transform into shadow Mario, and that neither would be clones if done right.

And 4 different Final Smashes may be too much to handle, 666Philotanus666.

 

[Clownbot]

Just off the top of my head, here are a few songs I'd like to see:

Vacant Lives (1080 Snowboarding)
Final Battle (Yoshi's Story)
A song from Pokemon Snap
Battle Theme (Golden Sun)

Yeah, that's all I can come up with right now, being the n00b that I am. I'll post more later, maybe.

@Mario the Jumpman, he was talking about songs that haven't been in at all yet.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

If 9-Volt becomes playable in SSB4, do you guys think he would do his own fighting or do you guys think that he will command an 8-Bit fighter with a DS or something while he stays in the background like the Pokemon Trainer?

 

[GamenerdAdvance]

GamenerdAdvance, you forgot to add Brawl's version of Shin Onigashima (if you liked that song).

By the way, I think Bowser Jr. has the greatest chance of being the Mario series new rep, being able to transform into shadow Mario, and that neither would be clones if done right.

And 4 different Final Smashes may be too much to handle, 666Philotanus666.

I didn't forget Shin Onigashima, I just couldn't be bothered to include songs that are already in the first three games. :3

 

[Clownbot]

If 9-Volt becomes playable in SSB4, do you guys think he would do his own fighting or do you guys think that he will command an 8-Bit fighter with a DS or something while he stays in the background like the Pokemon Trainer?

It's rather simple, really: don't make him playable.

 

[Pieman0920]

GA, you've got some good picks, though there are a few things missing. I keep on trying to make a list, but my computer seems determined to screw it up for some reason. In any case, while I plan to come back to it later, once my computer stops acting up, I must ask at least why you didn't include the final fight with Bowser in SMG, especailly with the vocals.

 

[Heartz♥]

Comments? Anything you think I've missed out?

I would love to hear the Bayou and Beehive music from Donkey Kong Country 2 in the next Smash. Those were the best songs in the game along with Bramble Blast.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I've got an idea for an Assist Trophy: Jimmy T.! He starts dancing left and right and attacks like Mario's Tornado attack, but with one of three side effects: freezing for a few seconds, burn damage for a few seconds, and victims put into slow-motion for five seconds.

 

[Clownbot]

That's pretty good, actually! Along with Mona and Ashley, Jimmy T. probably has the most possibility of being playable, but he'd make a good AT as well.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I have an idea for a Pokeball Pokemon: Abomasnow! When summoned, it starts a hail storm, causing opponents' damage to rise. It can also break containers like crates and capsules, it can even damage explosives to the point where it causes them to explode.

 

[Clownbot]

Not bad. It has to have a chance of freezing, also.

 

[Tacel]

I have an idea for a Pokeball Pokemon: Abomasnow! When summoned, it starts a hail storm, causing opponents' damage to rise. It can also break containers like crates and capsules, it can even damage explosives to the point where it causes them to explode.

Good idea! It should also be able to freeze players.

Ask TheAceLucario, he knows all about it.

I'll answer your question, Mario the Jumpman... because I am a ninja magnet...
If you are ninja'd, that means you posted something, but you then realize someone else has posted the same thing you have, but seconds before you.
Example 1. Me
Example 2. Forum Games
Example 3. ComboKing's Blog Post
Example 4:

Wait, do forum game posts really not show up in your post count? False. The next person will answer my question. EDIT: ****ing ninja! My comment still stands, though.

False.
EDIT: Double Ninja'd? I am ninja bait!

True. They don't count. I asked an administrator.

The next person is Clownbot.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

How could I have forgotten about freezing?

 

[Kholdstare]

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Traction ~ 5
Height ~ 4
Attack Speed ~ 7
Fall Speed ~ 4
Weight ~ 3
Power ~ 4
Priority ~ 6
Run ~ 5
Jump ~ 7

Tetra is a lightweight, comparable to Toon Link. Her dagger attacks are pretty fast, but a few attacks are slow (most notably the ones involving heavy weapons). Her main KO move is not counted in the Power section, although it is tremendously powerful, this is a measure of her overall attacks. Tetra actually has an acrobatic jump, much better than a normal human's.​

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≈ Down Special ~~ Cannon ≈

Tetra somehow brought both a ship cannon and a catapult to the fight with her. When this attack is used, Tetra whistles and one of her crew members appears in the background and pushes a hefty rolling cannon in from the background in front of Tetra. This altogether takes 0.5 seconds to do. This cannon is as long as the catapult on the Pirate Ship stage, but only as high as a Stage Builder block. Doing this attack again while the cannon is out makes Tetra shove it into the background, leaving it at that spot. This means that to get the cannon back out again, Tetra must be standing at the spot she left it at.

So how do you move it around? Pushing, of course. Moving against the cannon will result in it being pushed slowly - Ganondorf's walk speed. It will roll along with the terrain, but be careful - if it is rolled over a hole it will be stuck there until you do this move again, which will call one of Tetra's stronger pirates to come and pull it out, which takes about a second. Tetra will fold her arms and tap her feet during this time, looking impatient.

Oh, by the way, the cannon is invincible. The only way it can be gotten rid of is by rolling it off the edge, after which Tetra has to wait fifteen seconds before trying to bring out another one.​

Phantom Ganon



Evil Spirit from Beyond​

Phantom Ganon is the boss of the Forest Temple in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. He is a creation of Ganondorf's, a doppelganger of pure evil. After Link gets through the creepy ghost-infested Forest Temple, he comes to a single room that appears to be an art gallery of sorts, with many paintings lining the walls- except they are all the same. When he tries to leave, Phantom Ganon appears to him on his horse. He is at first identical to Ganondorf, but he seemingly tears off his face as a ghostly, horned skull is revealed to be behind it.

Statistics​

Special Attacks​

Neutral Special ¤ Dead Man's Volley

Phantom Ganon spins his lance like a propeller in front of him and fires a ball of energy. This ball is the size of a Poke Ball and can travel the distance equal to Smashville's solid platform at he speed of Mario's run. This attack has some noticeable start-up lag (0.5 seconds).

This ball has some interesting features, most notably that it can be hit back with a jointed or disjointed hitbox like a baseball.​

Standard Attacks​

Tilt Attacks​

Smash Attacks​

Grab & Throws​

Aerial Attacks​

Situational Attacks​

Final Smash​

Extras

Playing As​

Playing Against​

Matchups​

Other Extras​

Extra Animations​

Grabs throws
Situationals
playstyle
playing against
matchups
extras
extra animations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIRM_mVrMM

 

[Clownbot]

Jimmy T.? Who is that?

He's only the funkiest, freshest, disco-danciest guy on this side of town!

Okay, seroiously, he's a character from the WarioWare games. But he's STILL funky fresh.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I agree. You should play some WarioWare games, Kholdstare; they're fun. The DIY WarioWare is coming out, and it sounds gyoood.

And here's an idea for a WTF character: Fronk! For those of you who don't know what a Fronk is, it's a creature in the WarioWare series that bears a bit of resemblance to Bart Simpson. They are seen in some microgames. For example, in one microgame, you control a Fronk, who's goal is to avoid being squashed by a giant foot.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

I personally don't think the WarioWare series needs another rep. Sure they are fun games and they are getting pretty popular, but just not as good of a Nintedno franchise as most of the others presented in the game. Yoshi, Metroid, and F-Zero would get a new rep before WarioWare.

However I do feel that WarioWare wasn't recognized enough in Brawl with like 3 trophies. There needs to be more assist trophies, more trophies in general, and a better, more up to date stage.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Considering how she's supposedly "vice president" of Wario Ware, Mona would probably be first in line when it comes to another playable Wario character. I don't know what she'd do, persay, but I'd trust the developers to do a good job with her moveset.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Considering how she's supposedly "vice president" of Wario Ware, Mona would probably be first in line when it comes to another playable Wario character. I don't know what she'd do, persay, but I'd trust the developers to do a good job with her moveset.

That's why I think Mona would be a good Assist Trophy. She is a recognizable WarioWare character, but WarioWare just doesn't need another rep.

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

Considering how she's supposedly "vice president" of Wario Ware, Mona would probably be first in line when it comes to another playable Wario character. I don't know what she'd do, persay, but I'd trust the developers to do a good job with her moveset.

Mona has plenty of potential for a moveset. Every WarioWare game, she has a new job. Gelato Shop employee, diner employee, pop star, pizza shop owner, cheerleader, theme park tycoon, explorer, as well as more in future WarioWares. You could derive moves from all those careers, or from her "weird" category of microgames.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Mona has plenty of potential for a moveset. Every WarioWare game, she has a new job. Gelato Shop employee, diner employee, pop star, pizza shop owner, cheerleader, theme park tycoon, explorer, as well as more in future WarioWares. You could derive moves from all those careers, or from her "weird" category of microgames.

Actaually that is very logical. Mona could have a decent moveset based off the games, but I still don't see Sakurai considering her for a playable charcater. In my opinion, she still fits better as an assist trophy.

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

Actaually that is very logical. Mona could have a decent moveset based off the games, but I still don't see Sakurai considering her for a playable charcater. In my opinion, she still fits better as an assist trophy.

Yeah. I didn't say that she really is a logical choice for a character, I just said there's potential. I think the representation of the WarioWare franchise will be reserved for Wario (which, incidentally, is the way he likes it.)

EDIT: Oh, and it occurred to me now that she has her animal partners, too.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Personally, I would prefer Kat & Ana in Smash 4's playable roster, but Mona could work, too.

Once we're done talking about Mona, here's a new topic: Which third-party characters would you like to see playable in SSB4?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Personally, I would prefer Kat & Ana in Smash 4's playable roster, but Mona could work, too.

Once we're done talking about Mona, here's a new topic: Which third-party characters would you like to see playable in SSB4?

The only one I genuinelly have any interest in seeing is Megaman. Of course, I still love the idea of Geno but I still see him more as a Mario character than representing Square Enix as a whole.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

These are third-party characters I would like to see playable in Smash 4:

Super Mario RPG: Geno

Banjo-Kazooie: Banjo & Kazooie, Gruntilda, and Mumbo Jumbo

These are third-party characters I'm okay with appearing in Smash 4's playable roster:

Metal Gear Solid: Snake

Sonic

Megaman

Kingdom Hearts: Roxas/Sora

Phoenix Wright and/or Apollo Justice (that's the 2nd Ace Attorney's name, correct?)

I'm also okay with Star Wars characters being playable in Smash 4 (an exception to my "I don't want characters with non-game origins in Smash 4" beliefs; another exception is Paul from the Pokemon anime, but he's technically first-party).

 

[sundayseclipse]

3rd party

knuckles,dig dug, and mega man (exe sorta the origonal suit lacks design or 1 specialy made for smash)

not asking for to much am i?

 

[SOMERANDOMTRAINER]

Personally, I would prefer Kat & Ana in Smash 4's playable roster, but Mona could work, too.

Once we're done talking about Mona, here's a new topic: Which third-party characters would you like to see playable in SSB4?

Meh. I was never really in favor of having 3rd party characters, because I sorta like the idea of it being a clash of the Nintendo titans, but since they opened up the possibility of 3rd party characters, I feel like they're going to try to make the next game a battle among all video games.

Mega Man seems to be one of the only tolerable 3rd party characters I can think of. I have a hard time imagining Square allow any of their characters to be in SSB, but I don't know why.

Oh, and DEFINITELY no more than one character per 3rd party franchise.

 

[Pieman0920]

Mona is the logical character to go to if the Wario series gets a new character, as she's basically is the second most important character, and does have pottential for a moveset. Of course the question is if the Wario series needs a second rep, and quite frankly, I think it probably should get it. The series has been expanding much faster than most other series that already have two. On top of that, the series is technically two in one, with both WW and WL. At the very least, I'd like to see two Wario stages next time, one representing both sides of the series. (Like say Diamond City, which would be akin to Brawl's WW stage, as well as a temple from the Shake Dimension or the Golden Pyramid from WL4)

Also as far as Third Party characters go, the only one I think who really deserves it is Mega Man. No one else really comes close.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

What about Sonic? I realize Snake only got into Brawl because Kojima did a lot of begging.