[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[C.Olimar788]

I'd personally like to see a Smash game directed by someone other than Sakurai, if for different reasons than most of you. I... don't really see it happening, though. After all, if Iwata is to be trusted Smash 3 would've ended up as Melee with online had Sakurai not agreed to make it. And we can all agree that would've sucked. Bad. *primes various weapons for people who disagree*

Y'know, I really wish they would be working on Smash 4 right now, whoever "they" are. I mean, if they pretty much finished the game before too much time has passed between Brawl and Smash 4 and then give us a trailer or two before releasing it very soon after, it won't have the SERIOUs issue Brawl had of being overhyped. And that way they could even release all the regions' versions at the same time to help prevent spoilers for PAL regions and whatnot. But that's just a dream... *sigh*

And Mega Man should be classic Mega Man. Everyone likes him best. :O

 

[flyinfilipino]

Y'know, I really wish they would be working on Smash 4 right now, whoever "they" are. I mean, if they pretty much finished the game before too much time has passed between Brawl and Smash 4 and then give us a trailer or two before releasing it very soon after, it won't have the SERIOUs issue Brawl had of being overhyped. And that way they could even release all the regions' versions at the same time to help prevent spoilers for PAL regions and whatnot. But that's just a dream... *sigh*

Yeah, they could start working on the new engine and all the returning characters real soon, then add the new stuff as it comes along...*wishful thinking*

IMHO, it was the Dojo that was the source of the over-hyping. Big time.

 

[rockem7]

Why can't they just put Mega-Man AND Ridley in? >.>

 

[Serph]

The series is more or less a fanservice game, but the developers shouldn't forget that this is a game, not a museum.

I don't think trophies and stickers are having a detrimental effect on the gameplay. They're only artwork and character models ripped from recent releases, and are probably handled by a separate division within the team anyway.

 

[Pieman0920]

Yeah, if trophies, stickers, and all the things associated with them in the Vault were removed, it really wouldn't have impacted the gameplay at all. Outside of writing trophy descriptions, and actually uploading them into the game, I don't think much time would be spent dealing with them anyways.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I never said Mewtwo was stronger than Ganondorf. They may well be evenly matched, being uber powerful. I reiterate. Ganondorf could not kill Mewtwo! But I don't think Mewtwo could kill Ganondorf either... what with the whole Tri-Force of Power...

That is why he should use the Dark cannon. Still, I am going to fall onto the "Non-canon" seat here. Anything could happen.

Okay you better not be calling me a "kiddo"... i'm probably older than you are... O.o

Wasn't thinking of you. Mainly was thinking of the "Must protect the children" lot.

Smash is losing its self the same way Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur are. Mortal Kombat sold its soul to Gore, Soul Calibur sold its soul to make Ivy a sex icon, and Smash Bros. is starting to fall down the crapper of extras.

I'd say it's 50% actual fighting game at the most. It needs to be fixed now before it's too late.

Don't flame me, it's a great game. But still, we have 700 stickers, 400 trophies, and a few hours of ONE ADVENTURE MODE on five difficulties. It's obviously starting a bad pattern. For a fighting game, that is. We'll find out where it's going with smash 4, I suppose.

Sundayseclipse. You probably don't know this, but random tripping is widely believed to be one of the biggest slip-ups made in brawl. Others being the huge story mode (making it part platformer) and the slow-down. Not a huge one, but just enough to remove insanely easy and long combos.

KumaOso. That's a nice idea there, but only if they leave Smash's biggest and best concept alone: Free-range fighting. If we hand it to them and they make it fixed-range fighting like most are, I will never play smash bros. again.

I liked the huge stroy mode. I would like to see another one honestly. As for what you have said, I also like the massive amounts of collectibles. I just think the fighting mechanics should be first and everything else should come second.

 

[DekuBoy]

Maybe there should be two teams. One for the fighting engine and balance and another for extras.

 

[Big-Cat]

Maybe there should be two teams. One for the fighting engine and balance and another for extras.

That's probably for the best. This way, we get the best of both worlds. Although, I don't know if this already happened in Brawl.

 

[n88]

There probably were two teams or groups working on Brawl, and it seems likkely that that will happen for SSB4.

Geno.

That is all.

No.
That is all.

 

[sundayseclipse]

i think theres gona be to much time between ssbb and ssb4 cuz of prodject sora. i think there should be a co director working on the characters that are gona be in it stages. part of the 3rd party canidates..etc nothing to big like making a plot. then sakurai comes back doing his thing giving super smash bros its magic =D
also think he should interact with ssb fans for characters, stages...etc. but only stuff hes uncertain about are unlockable characters having nothing to do with the plot.
also consult fans b4 removing characters -_-. make it more about the fans then the acual game but make the game bad a**
heres an example
falco or falco in his bazooka outfit with own move set.
stuff like that

 

[majora_787]

i think theres gona be to much time between ssbb and ssb4 cuz of prodject sora. i think there should be a co director working on the characters that are gona be in it stages. part of the 3rd party canidates..etc nothing to big like making a plot. then sakurai comes back doing his thing giving super smash bros its magic =D
also think he should interact with ssb fans for characters, stages...etc. but only stuff hes uncertain about are unlockable characters having nothing to do with the plot.
also consult fans b4 removing characters -_-. make it more about the fans then the acual game but make the game bad a**
heres an example
falco or falco in his bazooka outfit with own move set.
stuff like that

Consult fans? Funny stuff there, most they do to consult fans is rep the biggest Nintendo Moneymakers. And the suit is Starfox Assault. Good game, good game...as far as multiplayer goes.

KumaOso, I meant what you said about lending the game to someone who worked on Street Fighter. I dunno how that would turn out.

Ridley didn't have a chance in 64, not even Bowser made it in that one. Melee, I dunno what happened with that one. They made him perfect, but only had him appear in five seconds of the opening.

 

[sundayseclipse]

eh u never know dude but that would make lots of ppl happy and would keep the smash dojo alive a bit more

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

ssb4 needs every stages, mini game(board the platforms, race 2 finish, fighting on trophies/knocking trophies in the circle things, etc), every character(mewtwo, roy, etc), just needs to be ****ing epic and make old schoolers who've played since the 64 days say "wow"

 

[papergoat]

ssb4 needs every stages, mini game(board the platforms, race 2 finish, fighting on trophies/knocking trophies in the circle things, etc), every character(mewtwo, roy, etc), just needs to be ****ing epic and make old schoolers who've played since the 64 days say "wow"

Brawl, in many ways, is also ****ing epic. But subspace is just bad... SSB4 needs a different adventure mode.

 

[Red Arremer]

No, I don't want that "Knock the trophies into the jar" crap. I hated that, it's the reason I used a GameShark to get all the trophies (including the 2 event-only trophies). <_<

The Coin Launcher is far better in that regard.

 

[Shadow Huan]

That is why he should use the Dark cannon. Still, I am going to fall onto the "Non-canon" seat here. Anything could happen.

But no one else exploded when the Dark Cannon was used on them lol.

And wouldn't Mewtwo be working with the bad guys? Till he reads a mind and goes AWOL?

Something that is a mind reader may be kinda hard to catch with a DC...

 

[drag0nscythe]

But no one else exploded when the Dark Cannon was used on them lol.

And wouldn't Mewtwo be working with the bad guys? Till he reads a mind and goes AWOL?

Something that is a mind reader may be kinda hard to catch with a DC...

I see Mewtwo as a neutral opponent. He is neither good nor bad and only works for his own goals. I also see him knowing when something is a bad idea (Like the war)

As for the dark cannon. This is a different dark cannon.

 

[Wizzerd]

I think that Sakurai should stay the director. Admittedly, he really messed up some things with Brawl, like the SSE and not including Ridley

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and Paper Mario

, but he has the experience with the series and Brawl wasn't a terrible, terrible game like some people like to say.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

Brawl, in many ways, is also ****ing epic.

No..just no.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think that Sakurai should stay the director. Admittedly, he really messed up some things with Brawl, like the SSE and not including Ridley

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and Paper Mario

, but he has the experience with the series and Brawl wasn't a terrible, terrible game like some people like to say.

While he may have the experience, it can be argued that his abilities are aging like a person.

 

[Mythic02]

People overexagerate brawl. The tripping and wifi was bad. The subspace emmisary was just an extra though. Some people just prefer melee over brawl, in which case, you can still play melee. But brawl is still good.

Brawl was really good, it just had a few mistakes. Sakurai has to try a few new things to see what is good or not. Otherwise we would call Brawl, Melee 2.0. You can't expect every try to be perfect. Anyways, Sakurai also made melee and 64. It was his vision and no one else can live up to it. The moment sakurai stops working on smash, it is going to go down hill.

You just gotta give sakurai credit. Brawl is a great game, it's just that the fanbase is so huge he can't live up to everyone's expectations. Look through the past 1135 pages, there is no way he could possibly fit in all that we have stated. Just let him try again, he'll tweak smash again and make another amazing game.

 

[majora_787]

People overexagerate brawl. The tripping and wifi was bad. The subspace emmisary was just an extra though. Some people just prefer melee over brawl, in which case, you can still play melee. But brawl is still good.

Brawl was really good, it just had a few mistakes. Sakurai has to try a few new things to see what is good or not. Otherwise we would call Brawl, Melee 2.0. You can't expect every try to be perfect. Anyways, Sakurai also made melee and 64. It was his vision and no one else can live up to it. The moment sakurai stops working on smash, it is going to go down hill.

You just gotta give sakurai credit. Brawl is a great game, it's just that the fanbase is so huge he can't live up to everyone's expectations. Look through the past 1135 pages, there is no way he could possibly fit in all that we have stated. Just let him try again, he'll tweak smash again and make another amazing game.

True, the only way he could ever please EVERY SINGLE SERIES FAN is if he made several different games in a row with different stuff entirely. There's just too big of a fanbase.

I do give him credit, he didn't make nearly as many mistakes as he COULD have...mostly it was just a slow-down and tripping.

There weren't nearly as many before when it was 64 to melee, but in Brawl to SSB4, it'll be the hardest one yet. It's reached the point where one mortal game could NEVER please every single fan completely. I mean, I know people who will not play the game if Ness is in it one more time without improvements. I also know people who won't play it if Ness is in it alone, or not at all. Or with Lucas.

 

[sundayseclipse]

brawl is good no matter what. this is the first wifi for smash so of cource its simple he wanted to see how fans reacted. yes triping is a big fluke.
ness and lucas moves piss me off. if u hit yourself with an up b u should get heavy damage. and bring there speed down a bit.
anyway the adventure mode wws origonal and i loved it. u haters need to go els were.

bak on subject
what characters moves set need to be tweaked,fix.or completly redone? i think link needs to run faster and fall slower. replace boomerang with a melee attack. have t. link be uncloned .....etc

 

[Rappster]

I would love SSB-DS. cut it down to the the original SSB characters + bowser, megaman (starter), marth, and sonic (starter).

you could use L for shield, R for grab, and set it so tilts are dpad+a and smashes are dpad+y because you have no tilt ability on a dpad.

 

[Yosheon]

One cool feature that should be added in the 4th game of the Smash Bros series is the addition of alternate outfits that aren't just pallete swaps of the characters' original costume. Since Wario had two completely different outfits to choose from in SSBB (and the two outfits had about 6 pallete swaps each), it would be really nice if everybody had more outfits to choose from.

It went well for Street Fighter IV, so there's no harm in trying it out in the Smash Bros series.

 

[sundayseclipse]

u should also earn addotonal costumes as u advance or make the character dress the way u want. some cloths have special effects

 

[Pieman0920]

Didn't most people dislike the implementation of costumes in SF4 due to the whole DLC thing? :V

I know, I know. Alt costumes in SSB4 probably won't be fake DLC, but still, its nots something that I think is overy needed. Plus there are some characters that I don't quite think could even have alternate costumes, either by series constraints (ROB and IC) or just because of what they are. (G&W)

 

[Red Arremer]

I'd so main him...

 

[majora_787]

I'd so main him...

Ahahaha....I probably would too, I won't lie.

I was thinking of a few little things to make the game a bit more...I dunno, different. Maybe instead of Trophies, achievements? I mean, the trophy thing has been constantly abused, and something new would be nice...

But I guess possibly each character could have a set of achievements, and if you get them, you get some stuff to mix the character up with?

Like...let's say Link has ten achievements. He could have five weapon and five outfit modifications, like replacing the clawshot with his old Longshot...or the Magic Armor look from Twilight Princess.

I wouldn't mind something a bit more interesting like THAT instead of trophies and palette swaps...

 

[Red Arremer]

^ Neat idea, as long as the changes are only aesthetic, and don't have any effect on the gameplay.

 

[AndreVeloso]

I want there to be an achievement record. The obvious are KOing 10 people in a match. I would like to see one that goes past the boundaries such as surviving for a minute above 200% or even pausing the game for 2 minutes in total. I would love one where you give out more than 75% in one attack. Every good idea Brawl has came up with ended up being basic such as recording matches and stickers having almost little use. It would be good if before you play a match, you could add unlocked stickers to your character. That would add a lot of variation.

More hitlag, less hitlag on projectiles and less landing lag is the way to go.

I want 45+ characters in SSB4.

 

[Wizzerd]

I'd so main him...

That is completely bad*ss. I would main him too.

Ahahaha....I probably would too, I won't lie.

I was thinking of a few little things to make the game a bit more...I dunno, different. Maybe instead of Trophies, achievements? I mean, the trophy thing has been constantly abused, and something new would be nice...

But I guess possibly each character could have a set of achievements, and if you get them, you get some stuff to mix the character up with?

Like...let's say Link has ten achievements. He could have five weapon and five outfit modifications, like replacing the clawshot with his old Longshot...or the Magic Armor look from Twilight Princess.

I wouldn't mind something a bit more interesting like THAT instead of trophies and palette swaps...

That... is an interesting idea. I like it! So you could change them at the start of a match like alt costumes? Hrm, my ideas:

Mario​

• The ability to shoot pills instead of fireballs, like Dr. Mario. This of course would only work if Dr. Mario does not return.
• Replace the Squirt Nozzle with a Cheep-Cheep for the same effect.
• If Mario Tornado returns, it could be changed into a Star Spin from Super Mario Galaxy.
• Shoot fireballs out of a Fire Flower.
• Flip a Cape Feather instead of a cape.

Luigi​

• A Mr. L alt costume.
• Paper Luigi!
• Make Luigi be shot out of one of those cannon pits from Super Mario 64 for Green Missle.
• Thunderhand from Superstar Saga as a FSmash.
• Like with Mario, Star Spin instead of Luigi Tornado.

Princess Peach​

• A
  Spoiler

  Shadow Queen
  alt costume, which would add some darkness effects to UTilt and Side B.
• Pluck vegetables other than turnips for Down B.
• Use Perry the Parasol from Super Princess Peach as an Up B.
• Pull Toadsworth out of her panties instead of Toad.
• Use the ducking-under-the-parasol from Super Paper Mario as a shield.

Bowser​

• Dry Bowser!
• Use a Fire Flower for Neutral B.
• Use the Chomp from Super Mario RPG as a DSmash.
• Implement Kammy Koopa somehow.
• Use hammers for all claw attacks.

 

[Shadow Huan]

I see Mewtwo as a neutral opponent. He is neither good nor bad and only works for his own goals. I also see him knowing when something is a bad idea (Like the war)

As for the dark cannon. This is a different dark cannon.

Still wouldn't work. Do you know what the uproar would be if they brought back Mewtwo and then killed him?

I'd probably break the game with a hammer.

But no, I can see Mewtwo on his own side for sure. I mean, psycic powers gottta account for something. Buff him up to for cripes sakes!

That is completely bad*ss. I would main him too.


That... is an interesting idea. I like it! So you could change them at the start of a match like alt costumes? Hrm, my ideas:

Mario​

• The ability to shoot pills instead of fireballs, like Dr. Mario. This of course would only work if Dr. Mario does not return.
• Replace the Squirt Nozzle with a Cheep-Cheep for the same effect.
• If Mario Tornado returns, it could be changed into a Star Spin from Super Mario Galaxy.
• Shoot fireballs out of a Fire Flower.
• Flip a Cape Feather instead of a cape.

Luigi​

• A Mr. L alt costume.
• Paper Luigi!
• Make Luigi be shot out of one of those cannon pits from Super Mario 64 for Green Missle.
• Thunderhand from Superstar Saga as a FSmash.
• Like with Mario, Star Spin instead of Luigi Tornado.

Princess Peach​

• A
  Spoiler

  Shadow Queen
  alt costume, which would add some darkness effects to UTilt and Side B.
• Pluck vegetables other than turnips for Down B.
• Use Perry the Parasol from Super Princess Peach as an Up B.
• Pull Toadsworth out of her panties.
• Use the ducking-under-the-parasol from Super Paper Mario as a shield.

Bowser​

• Dry Bowser!
• Use a Fire Flower for Neutral B.
• Use the Chomp from Super Mario RPG as a DSmash.
• Implement Kammy Koopa somehow.
• Use hammers for all claw attacks.

I like it. I like it a lot. But how much memory space would it have to take up??

 

[drag0nscythe]

Still wouldn't work. Do you know what the uproar would be if they brought back Mewtwo and then killed him?

I'd probably break the game with a hammer.

He would only have dies in story mode. He would be playable in every other mode.

But no, I can see Mewtwo on his own side for sure. I mean, psycic powers gottta account for something. Buff him up to for cripes sakes!
?

I disagree here. I can partially see him join there side, but I see him being neutral more than anything. If we look at the tv series and movies, he is mainly neutral except for the first movie.

 

[Shadow Huan]

He would only have dies in story mode. He would be playable in every other mode.

Are you going to have Ganondorf, Bowser, and Wario die too?

*Coughs* how about PT?

Pit? Mario? Meta-Knight? Pikachu? Peach? Link?

Seriously. There would be an uproar. I'm not worried about it. Sakurai never wanted to drop Mewtwo, and he certainly won't bring back a character just to use him/her as fodder in the story mode. Waste of a character... unless it's Jigglypuff.

I disagree here. I can partially see him join there side, but I see him being neutral more than anything. If we look at the tv series and movies, he is mainly neutral except for the first movie.

You have a good point. Joins they're side... kinda. Rightfully doesn't trust them, and when Ganondorf tries to double cross him (Think Bowser in SubSpace), Mewtwo defects.

But killed off? Not gonna happen.

 

[majora_787]

Of course it wouldn't change the stats of a character at all. It's all just there for visual awesomeness, which is why we have Trophies now. So it'd be a total fair trade, and people would probably prefer it if it's done right.

* The ability to shoot pills instead of fireballs, like Dr. Mario. This of course would only work if Dr. Mario does not return.
* Replace the Squirt Nozzle with a Cheep-Cheep for the same effect.
* If Mario Tornado returns, it could be changed into a Star Spin from Super Mario Galaxy.
* Shoot fireballs out of a Fire Flower.
* Flip a Cape Feather instead of a cape.

Well...1 sounds like fun, 2 sounds funny, 3...it would LOOK like the star spin, but it wouldn't be any different from the attack it's replacing. It would just look different. Fireballs out of a fire flower... I dunno. Possibly. The last one sounds good too I guess.

Luigi

* A Mr. L alt costume.
* Paper Luigi!
* Make Luigi be shot out of one of those cannon pits from Super Mario 64 for Green Missle.
* Thunderhand from Superstar Saga as a FSmash.
* Like with Mario, Star Spin instead of Luigi Tornado.

Mr. L was what I had in mind for Luigi. But Paper Luigi...I dunno about that, that sounds like it could cause problems. But I wouldn't know. The cannon thing, possibly...Thunderhand would just be visual. It would still ACT the same as his FSmash. Same thing I said before about Star Spin.

Princess Peach

* A Shadow Queen alt costume, which would add some darkness effects to UTilt and Side B.
* Pluck vegetables other than turnips for Down B.
* Use Perry the Parasol from Super Princess Peach as an Up B.
* Pull Toadsworth out of her panties.
* Use the ducking-under-the-parasol from Super Paper Mario as a shield.

Visual effects, mostly...unless they weakened the attacks and THEN gave it darkness effects. Vegetables, I guess. Perry...there would be no REAL difference I guess. The toadsworth one...you mean to replace Toad, right? Because that sounds creepy. I dunno about the shield thing.

Bowser

* Dry Bowser!
* Use a Fire Flower for Neutral B.
* Use the Chomp from Super Mario RPG as a DSmash.
* Implement Kammy Koopa somehow.
* Use hammers for all claw attacks.

Dry Bowser. YESSSS. I guess... How would a Chomp be the same as his DSmash? How would he implement Kammy Koopa while keeping his moveset the exact same effectively? And hammers, no clue.


Virtually every change would have to be COSMETIC just for maximum lulz or something to that effect. Like, changing the character's outfit, or replacing weapons with something else visually (Fireballs to Megavitamins, Turnips to Vegetables, Clawshot to Hookshot)

This could take up a little or a lot of room, depending on how many individual characters there are and how many achievements they get.

 

[DekuBoy]

This is kinda like Team Fortress 2 now. I like it.

 

[sundayseclipse]

hmmm other characters besides mario

​

ike
alt costume could be black knight

meta knight
alt code could be galatic knight

link
young link (if not in game with majoras mask moves)

yoshi
boshi

rob
with visual boy on(wouldnt mind them tweaking his move set either)

kirby
gooey the dark matter dude if not playable

olimar
louie if not playable and non cloned

snake
him wiht a lab suit on
naked snake (eye patch arg)

pikachu
paichu
raichu

sonic
shadow and silver if not playable and not cloned(silver well prbly take shadows assist tropy spot


pikachu
paichu
raichu

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btw we all hated mewtwo leavng. but he wasnt popular anymore in his franchise. after leaf green adn fire red did we rely care about mewtwo.no we were fixated on the other pokemon games. i rather him be a character skin for the 5th gen spot same wiht lucario. but we dont know they may expand pokemons roster and add aditonal characters

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Kirby can't be Gooey because he doesn't inhale, but use his tongue. Kirby should be either Shadow Kirby, or wear a Jet Kirby hat. =P ☆

 

[majora_787]

hmmm other characters besides mario

​

ike
alt costume could be black knight

I dunno. I guess.

meta knight
alt code could be galatic knight

YESSSSSS.

link
young link (if not in game with majoras mask moves)

......What? o_o

yoshi
boshi

Who?

rob
with visual boy on(wouldnt mind them tweaking his move set either)

Why would Nintendo promote their only commercial failure like that?

kirby
gooey the dark matter dude if not playable

Dunno.

olimar
louie if not playable and non cloned

Eh.

snake
him wiht a lab suit on
naked snake (eye patch arg)

Neh.

pikachu
paichu
raichu

Raichu, I dunno. Different frame, but it might work. What's a paichu?

sonic
shadow and silver if not playable and not cloned(silver well prbly take shadows assist tropy spot

Shadow......too easy. I don't even know who Silver is. =P

pikachu
paichu
raichu

You said this one already.

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btw we all hated mewtwo leavng. but he wasnt popular anymore in his franchise. after leaf green adn fire red did we rely care about mewtwo.no we were fixated on the other pokemon games. i rather him be a character skin for the 5th gen spot same wiht lucario. but we dont know they may expand pokemons roster and add aditonal characters

Uhm. If the 5th gen legendaries are all like Giratina and Wailord, explain how Mewtwo and/or Lucario would be skinned over that.......