They should remove Falco, since Wolf should of replaced him like how Ike and Lucario (whenever intentional or not) replaced Roy and Mewtwo. The current Star Fox trio that consists of Fox and 2 semi-clones of him looks really bad next to the non-(semi-)cloned Kirby trio. They need to put in Krystal with an original moveset consisting of her staff and magic and change Wolf's B moves and final smash.
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[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!
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who wouldn't be!
I'm not excited for wave tripping at all
unless if you can wave trip in the air, happens twice as often as normal tripping, can automaticly activate when you're just standing, and you automaticly die from wave tripping and you can do nothing about it. The best part? Extra precautions have been made to prevent people from hacking it out of the game. I hope Sakurai is reading this, because he would aprove of wave tripping.
Lord Viper
SS Rank
☆ Remove Falco?! That's like the Mario series removing Luigi. Falco showed up in EVERY Star Fox game that's known, that's removing someone that's important to the series. Sure he's a clone, but he has a story purpose and great background, very important to the Star Fox series. What's next, remove Ganondorf because he's a clone of Captain Falcon? ☆
☆ Ok, there hasn't been enough talk about the single player options for weeks. ☆
justaway12
Smash Master
Well my faverite 1 player mode is actually event match I would love to see more events like these especially in adventure mode.
I consider Wolf being more like Fox's Luigi. Sure, he hasn't appeared in every SF game, but neither has Luigi. He's more important to the series than Falco is. The only thing that Falco has over Wolf is that it would be harder to make him as an alternate costume. Why Falco isn't as important as Wolf is because Slippy and Peppy matched him in importance and none of the three alone were the major focus of any SF game.
Krystal is worthier than Falco of being in SSB4, because she has been more important and prominent than the other secondary SF crewmembers in 2 games (Adventures and Command). Falco just isn't as important to the plot of any SF game, only being important in Adventures at the end where he gave Fox bombs and he wasn't prominent in that game. Also, Smash is the only opprotunity for Krystal to use her staff again (she used it in the beggining of Adventures).
Krystal is worthier than Falco of being in SSB4, because she has been more important and prominent than the other secondary SF crewmembers in 2 games (Adventures and Command). Falco just isn't as important to the plot of any SF game, only being important in Adventures at the end where he gave Fox bombs and he wasn't prominent in that game. Also, Smash is the only opprotunity for Krystal to use her staff again (she used it in the beggining of Adventures).
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Wolf is more like Fox's...Bowser. He's an antagonist (mostly); on a different side, unlike Luigi. Wolf isn't always there...but Falco's usually Fox's wingman whenever there's a mission, because they're on the same team, after all.
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On the idea of a sequel to the SSE, here' my idea for a sequel (all playable characters should be included; I'm looking at you Jiggs, Wolf and T. Link):
WARNING! THIS IS A VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long post.
A backstory is set up telling the tale of how "This World" came to be.
In the beginning, the Master Hand and Crazy Hand really had nowhere to dwell. The universe was nothing but a swirling mass of Shadow Bugs, which had an amazing attribute. The ability to create life. The Hands are God-Like figures, with unknown origins. The Master Hand began creating worlds like the Mushroom Kindom, Hyrule, Dream Land, Kanto, and made inhabitants for those worlds to keep him company. His first creation was R.O.B. (Ancient Minister). The Crazy Hand also wanted to have subjects to call his own, so he attempted to make his own creation. He was unskilled in the creation of life, and was only to make a 2-D, featrurless, bland figure, Mr. Game & Watch. He disowned Mr. Game & Watch, ashamed of his own inability to rival the creations of his "brother". The Master Hand, feeling sorry for Game & Watch, took him in and gave him a world to live in. The Crazy Hand gave it one last shot, and made the creature we now know as Tabuu. Tabuu looked alright, but he still didn't meet the Crazy Hand's ridiculous standards. The Crazy Hand, so frustrated and jealous as to the success and popularity of his brother, went mad, and dedicated his life to destroying the creations that helped his brother overshadow him. Tabuu, hurt by the disownment of his creator, took on a similar task. He, however, vowed to destroy the Master and Crazy Hands, and rule over the lands created by the Master Hand. He was soon discovered though, and the Master Hand, Mr. Game & Watch, and R.O.B. joined forces to banish Tabuu to a world where he could cause no more trouble, known as Subspace. The Crazy Hand continued his effort to antagonize the Master Hand. A The two Hands fought for years, and finally decided to stop the fighting for thier own sake. The agreement was that the Master Hand would create a place for the Crazy Hand could run rampant, and destroy as many things as he wanted, and he would also create a place for peace, and unity. So he created a new, gigantic world as the solution for both halves of the promise. It was split down the middle by a line. One half would be for the Crazy Hand (to be called "That World"), and the other half would be for R.O.B. and the Master Hand (to be called "This World"). For a while this agreement worked, and all was well. the Master Hand started what we know as Smash, and sent out invitations to inhabitants of worlds he had created. These invitations challenged recipiants to come to a world (This World) that offered everything. They could vacation here, meet friends, or just go sightseeing. But the real reason for coming to This World was to test yourself against your creator, the Master Hand. This event was not intended for evil; the Master Hand didn't want to harm his creations. He just wanted to check up on them every once in a while. This cycle went on for quite a while, until Tabuu struck. Once the Crazy Hand heard that Tabuu was wreaking havoc on This World, he fled. Nobody knows where. He was afraid that Tabuu would eventually reach That World. But as we know, Tabuu never got that far. After the Subspace incident, the fighters in Brawl stayed to help R.O.B. and the Master Hand to rebuild the Island of the Anicients, as well as help heal the wounds that the Master Hand sustained from the Chains of Light. This task was completed, and the fighters returned to their individual worlds. Word reached the Crazy Hand that Tabuu was dead, and he also returned to This World.
Main Plot for SSE Sequel
It's back to business as usual for This World. The Master Hand has been working to create more R.O.B.s, since many were destroyed during the Subspace incident. The Master Hand has sent out a new batch of invitations to a host of veteran and new fighters. Since recent events, the Crazy Hand has started thinking about his situation. He notices how lonely he is, and how empty he feels. He devises a plan to destroy This World, and hold several other worlds hostage on the demand of absolute power over the entire universe.
He sends out his own invitations, but to the villians. Bowser, Ganondorf, Wario, Wolf, Dedede (and according to my self-made roster,) Waluigi, Team Rocket, Mewtwo, Black Shadow, K. Rool, the Black Knight, Ridley, Weavel, Vatii, and Bowser Jr. all recieve an invitation inviting them to "Be a part of the greatest undertaking ever". Dedede and Wario do not accept the invitation, trying to aviod another Subspace travesty. Mewtwo accepts, and through an agreement with the Master Hand, acts as a double-agent. All of the other villians do accept. Some NPCs that the Crazy Hand invites, or otherwise abducts are Eggman, Porky, Petey Piranha, Darkrai, Raquayza, Zant, Andross, Medusa (Kid Icarus), Kamek, Empress Bulblax, Polar Bear King (Ice Climber), Omega (Megaman), Metal Gear RAY, and the INK'T Colonel.
The Crazy Hand also managed to get ahold of the remains of Duon and Galleom, and synthesized them into a hideous creature, called Subspace Mk. II.
Several of the villans have second thoughts during the planning process of the attack.
Team Rocket (in typical style) flees to This World and joins the heroes after discovering that the Crazy Hand plans not to turn the heros into trophies, but kill them.
Bowser Jr. also feels uneasy about this idea, and tries to convince his father to abandon the plan. After failing to convert Bowser, Bowser Jr. also flees with Team Rocket.
Waluigi is the last of the villians to have second-thoughts, and ends up escaping with Bowser Jr. and Team Rocket.
All three of the above villians escape with Mewtwo's help. However, Mewtwo is seen helping these villians, and is turned into a trophy.
The villians begin to develop several technologies to defeat the heroes. They decide to test them on the heroes home planets. This brings the heroes back to various familiar worlds (Hyrule, Mushroom Kingdom, etc.). Every world has a main playable villian to defeat, as well as an NPC Boss, who once defeated, return to That World.
Once they have been driven out of every world, the villians are flustered, and decide to develop technology (out of old Subspace weapons) to corrupt heroes. They test it out on Mewtwo, and it works, but not how the villians expected. Mewtwo becomes truly corrupted, hating good and evil. Mewtwo destroys the villians' base in That World, and heads off to destroy This World.
The villians, left with no base and no more options, decide to follow closely behind Mewtwo and attack after he catches the heroes off guard.
Meanwhile is This World, since all of the heroes have returned from battling the villians in the other worlds, everyone is preparing for the villians' attack.
The final battle takes place at the border between This World and That World. As the heroes are braced for battle, they see Mewtwo coming over the horizon. Not knowing of his corruption, they let thier guard down.
However, when they see the villians following closely behind, they realize what's happening.
At this point, the player can choose a side: Good or Evil.
Since there are more heroes than villians, if the evil side is chosen, a handicap will be in order.
Like the Great Maze, you pick 4 characters to face all of the characters on the opposite side. Also like the Great Maze, you will be able to switch out characters every so often, and recovery items will be available on occasion.
Regardless of which side you choose, the following cutscene will play after the final battle:
Both sides stand opposite of each other, looking exhausted. All of a sudden, a great explosion occurs high in the sky, and everyone looks to see what it is.
What remains of the explosion is a giant purple sphere, one that resulted in the use of a Subspace device.
Several heroes and villians gasp, thinking that Tabuu was dead, and Subspace was in the past.
From the Subspace sphere floats a severly mutated Mewtwo. A hole has been blown through his chest, and in the hole floats a small black sphere (the one Tabuu had in his chest).
A transparent Tabuu appears behind Mewtwo, arms crossed. Flashbacks show that after the Subspace Emmisary, Tabuu's "heart" (the black sphere) was blown to That World by the explosion of Tabuu's death. This "heart" was unknowingly used in the machine that the villians used on Mewtwo after it was found by Ridley.
MuuTuu is what this hybrid of Mewtwo and Tabuu is called.
To demonstrate his power, MuuTuu shoots "Off-Rays" (not quite Off Waves because they don't cover the whole field) at each side of the confrontation, turning some characters into trophies.
R.O.B. dons his Ancient Minister costume, and the Master Hand and Crazy Hand act as his hands.
Good and Evil join forces (because everybody hates Tabuu).
Here's where it gets special.
For the Final Final Battle you control the Ancient Minister/M. Hand/C. Hand character. During this fight, you control this specialized character (I'll think of moves later) and both you and MuuTuu have a health bar. All of the other heroes and villians occasionally come on-screen, attempting to hurt MuuTuu, but their attacks cause very little damage, and they are easily dispatched.
After you defeat MuuTuu, the following cutscene plays.
MuuTuu slides across the ground, presumably from the last hit you delivered, and looks up, appearing ready to fight again. MuuTuu clenches his fists and grows twice his size. It looks as if you will have to fight him again.
Suddenly though, a Smash Ball materializes. Everyone stops and stares in awe at it as it daintily floats toward the Ancient Minister.
The Master and Crazy hands meet in an enourmous clap on the Smash Ball, breaking it.
The trio glows, and stares at MuuTuu for a moment.
Then the Master and Crazy Hands perform a famous move: The Master Hand flanks MuuTuu on the right, and the Crazy Hand on the left. The two hands pound fists, catching MuuTuu in the middle, and the screen goes white.
Afterwards, a scene fades in with all of the heroes and villians standing together.
The Master and Crazy Hands shake hands, and the Crazy Hand flies away into the sunset. The Master Hand flies up to the Island of the Ancients, and all of the characters are left standing, watching the hands fly off in opposite directions.
Mario, Link, Pikachu, and Kriby step forward in front of the crowd.
After the hands are out of sight, Mario says, "Let's-a Go!" and the screen stops on the entire cast running after the four.
*NOTE*
The real meat of the gameplay is the exploration of Nintendo Worlds by the heroes.
To make this portion of the game long enough, there'd have to be several worlds.
Distant Planet, Mushroom Kingdom, Hyrule, Dream Land, Kanto, just acutal places from games.
I call it... I can't decide. You think of a name.
I like "War of the Worlds", but that's kinda already taken.
WARNING! THIS IS A VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long post.
A backstory is set up telling the tale of how "This World" came to be.
In the beginning, the Master Hand and Crazy Hand really had nowhere to dwell. The universe was nothing but a swirling mass of Shadow Bugs, which had an amazing attribute. The ability to create life. The Hands are God-Like figures, with unknown origins. The Master Hand began creating worlds like the Mushroom Kindom, Hyrule, Dream Land, Kanto, and made inhabitants for those worlds to keep him company. His first creation was R.O.B. (Ancient Minister). The Crazy Hand also wanted to have subjects to call his own, so he attempted to make his own creation. He was unskilled in the creation of life, and was only to make a 2-D, featrurless, bland figure, Mr. Game & Watch. He disowned Mr. Game & Watch, ashamed of his own inability to rival the creations of his "brother". The Master Hand, feeling sorry for Game & Watch, took him in and gave him a world to live in. The Crazy Hand gave it one last shot, and made the creature we now know as Tabuu. Tabuu looked alright, but he still didn't meet the Crazy Hand's ridiculous standards. The Crazy Hand, so frustrated and jealous as to the success and popularity of his brother, went mad, and dedicated his life to destroying the creations that helped his brother overshadow him. Tabuu, hurt by the disownment of his creator, took on a similar task. He, however, vowed to destroy the Master and Crazy Hands, and rule over the lands created by the Master Hand. He was soon discovered though, and the Master Hand, Mr. Game & Watch, and R.O.B. joined forces to banish Tabuu to a world where he could cause no more trouble, known as Subspace. The Crazy Hand continued his effort to antagonize the Master Hand. A The two Hands fought for years, and finally decided to stop the fighting for thier own sake. The agreement was that the Master Hand would create a place for the Crazy Hand could run rampant, and destroy as many things as he wanted, and he would also create a place for peace, and unity. So he created a new, gigantic world as the solution for both halves of the promise. It was split down the middle by a line. One half would be for the Crazy Hand (to be called "That World"), and the other half would be for R.O.B. and the Master Hand (to be called "This World"). For a while this agreement worked, and all was well. the Master Hand started what we know as Smash, and sent out invitations to inhabitants of worlds he had created. These invitations challenged recipiants to come to a world (This World) that offered everything. They could vacation here, meet friends, or just go sightseeing. But the real reason for coming to This World was to test yourself against your creator, the Master Hand. This event was not intended for evil; the Master Hand didn't want to harm his creations. He just wanted to check up on them every once in a while. This cycle went on for quite a while, until Tabuu struck. Once the Crazy Hand heard that Tabuu was wreaking havoc on This World, he fled. Nobody knows where. He was afraid that Tabuu would eventually reach That World. But as we know, Tabuu never got that far. After the Subspace incident, the fighters in Brawl stayed to help R.O.B. and the Master Hand to rebuild the Island of the Anicients, as well as help heal the wounds that the Master Hand sustained from the Chains of Light. This task was completed, and the fighters returned to their individual worlds. Word reached the Crazy Hand that Tabuu was dead, and he also returned to This World.
Main Plot for SSE Sequel
It's back to business as usual for This World. The Master Hand has been working to create more R.O.B.s, since many were destroyed during the Subspace incident. The Master Hand has sent out a new batch of invitations to a host of veteran and new fighters. Since recent events, the Crazy Hand has started thinking about his situation. He notices how lonely he is, and how empty he feels. He devises a plan to destroy This World, and hold several other worlds hostage on the demand of absolute power over the entire universe.
He sends out his own invitations, but to the villians. Bowser, Ganondorf, Wario, Wolf, Dedede (and according to my self-made roster,) Waluigi, Team Rocket, Mewtwo, Black Shadow, K. Rool, the Black Knight, Ridley, Weavel, Vatii, and Bowser Jr. all recieve an invitation inviting them to "Be a part of the greatest undertaking ever". Dedede and Wario do not accept the invitation, trying to aviod another Subspace travesty. Mewtwo accepts, and through an agreement with the Master Hand, acts as a double-agent. All of the other villians do accept. Some NPCs that the Crazy Hand invites, or otherwise abducts are Eggman, Porky, Petey Piranha, Darkrai, Raquayza, Zant, Andross, Medusa (Kid Icarus), Kamek, Empress Bulblax, Polar Bear King (Ice Climber), Omega (Megaman), Metal Gear RAY, and the INK'T Colonel.
The Crazy Hand also managed to get ahold of the remains of Duon and Galleom, and synthesized them into a hideous creature, called Subspace Mk. II.
Several of the villans have second thoughts during the planning process of the attack.
Team Rocket (in typical style) flees to This World and joins the heroes after discovering that the Crazy Hand plans not to turn the heros into trophies, but kill them.
Bowser Jr. also feels uneasy about this idea, and tries to convince his father to abandon the plan. After failing to convert Bowser, Bowser Jr. also flees with Team Rocket.
Waluigi is the last of the villians to have second-thoughts, and ends up escaping with Bowser Jr. and Team Rocket.
All three of the above villians escape with Mewtwo's help. However, Mewtwo is seen helping these villians, and is turned into a trophy.
The villians begin to develop several technologies to defeat the heroes. They decide to test them on the heroes home planets. This brings the heroes back to various familiar worlds (Hyrule, Mushroom Kingdom, etc.). Every world has a main playable villian to defeat, as well as an NPC Boss, who once defeated, return to That World.
Once they have been driven out of every world, the villians are flustered, and decide to develop technology (out of old Subspace weapons) to corrupt heroes. They test it out on Mewtwo, and it works, but not how the villians expected. Mewtwo becomes truly corrupted, hating good and evil. Mewtwo destroys the villians' base in That World, and heads off to destroy This World.
The villians, left with no base and no more options, decide to follow closely behind Mewtwo and attack after he catches the heroes off guard.
Meanwhile is This World, since all of the heroes have returned from battling the villians in the other worlds, everyone is preparing for the villians' attack.
The final battle takes place at the border between This World and That World. As the heroes are braced for battle, they see Mewtwo coming over the horizon. Not knowing of his corruption, they let thier guard down.
However, when they see the villians following closely behind, they realize what's happening.
At this point, the player can choose a side: Good or Evil.
Since there are more heroes than villians, if the evil side is chosen, a handicap will be in order.
Like the Great Maze, you pick 4 characters to face all of the characters on the opposite side. Also like the Great Maze, you will be able to switch out characters every so often, and recovery items will be available on occasion.
Regardless of which side you choose, the following cutscene will play after the final battle:
Both sides stand opposite of each other, looking exhausted. All of a sudden, a great explosion occurs high in the sky, and everyone looks to see what it is.
What remains of the explosion is a giant purple sphere, one that resulted in the use of a Subspace device.
Several heroes and villians gasp, thinking that Tabuu was dead, and Subspace was in the past.
From the Subspace sphere floats a severly mutated Mewtwo. A hole has been blown through his chest, and in the hole floats a small black sphere (the one Tabuu had in his chest).
A transparent Tabuu appears behind Mewtwo, arms crossed. Flashbacks show that after the Subspace Emmisary, Tabuu's "heart" (the black sphere) was blown to That World by the explosion of Tabuu's death. This "heart" was unknowingly used in the machine that the villians used on Mewtwo after it was found by Ridley.
MuuTuu is what this hybrid of Mewtwo and Tabuu is called.
To demonstrate his power, MuuTuu shoots "Off-Rays" (not quite Off Waves because they don't cover the whole field) at each side of the confrontation, turning some characters into trophies.
R.O.B. dons his Ancient Minister costume, and the Master Hand and Crazy Hand act as his hands.
Good and Evil join forces (because everybody hates Tabuu).
Here's where it gets special.
For the Final Final Battle you control the Ancient Minister/M. Hand/C. Hand character. During this fight, you control this specialized character (I'll think of moves later) and both you and MuuTuu have a health bar. All of the other heroes and villians occasionally come on-screen, attempting to hurt MuuTuu, but their attacks cause very little damage, and they are easily dispatched.
After you defeat MuuTuu, the following cutscene plays.
MuuTuu slides across the ground, presumably from the last hit you delivered, and looks up, appearing ready to fight again. MuuTuu clenches his fists and grows twice his size. It looks as if you will have to fight him again.
Suddenly though, a Smash Ball materializes. Everyone stops and stares in awe at it as it daintily floats toward the Ancient Minister.
The Master and Crazy hands meet in an enourmous clap on the Smash Ball, breaking it.
The trio glows, and stares at MuuTuu for a moment.
Then the Master and Crazy Hands perform a famous move: The Master Hand flanks MuuTuu on the right, and the Crazy Hand on the left. The two hands pound fists, catching MuuTuu in the middle, and the screen goes white.
Afterwards, a scene fades in with all of the heroes and villians standing together.
The Master and Crazy Hands shake hands, and the Crazy Hand flies away into the sunset. The Master Hand flies up to the Island of the Ancients, and all of the characters are left standing, watching the hands fly off in opposite directions.
Mario, Link, Pikachu, and Kriby step forward in front of the crowd.
After the hands are out of sight, Mario says, "Let's-a Go!" and the screen stops on the entire cast running after the four.
*NOTE*
The real meat of the gameplay is the exploration of Nintendo Worlds by the heroes.
To make this portion of the game long enough, there'd have to be several worlds.
Distant Planet, Mushroom Kingdom, Hyrule, Dream Land, Kanto, just acutal places from games.
I call it... I can't decide. You think of a name.
I like "War of the Worlds", but that's kinda already taken.
ChronoBound
Smash Hero
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That person said that Ridley was too big. I said that was untrue.
RandomNutjob
Smash Rookie
And now for something completely different...
Few thoughts that have been bouncing about for past few days;
Characters:
Mario franchises [including Yoshi and Wario]: happy with reps though could see another fitting in just fine [likely Mario as Yoshi is extremely limited and Wario is fine alone i reckon]
DK: K.Rool gotta be high up list of those to focus on getting into #4
Legend of Zelda: seems fine but i'm not too sure about having alternate Links - have as alternate costumes perhaps but separate characters i dunno
Metroid: think Dark as an alternate costume would be sound as for another rep, deserved but have feeling won't happen
Kirby: fine though suspect MK will be adjusted
Starfox: De-clone and you'll be fine - though have bad feeling all these "furries" will get their wish granted and a certain 4th one will show up
Pokemon: Pokeballs - need more variety and lower odds of getting legendaries
Characters - Jigglypuff ugh if had been cut in Melee [or Brawl] then would not have to worry but sadly seems is here to stay
Pokemon Trainer *cough*Ash/Red*cough* - why Ivysaur - i don't get it, granted been a good 10 years since watched an episode but i didn't think Ash's Bulbasaur evolved [anyone?], is it in just so have 1st, 2nd and 3rd level Pokemon?
Lucario - i like him and the aura thing is very interesting - definitely see him staying
Mewtwo - never should have been neglected, hopes for return in #4
As for newer Pokemon - as said by someone a few pages back - covered space, time etc so not really anywhere else can go so at best will get more Pokeball options but as for playable characters i have doubts
Fire Emblem: Seems fine
Mother: Make Lucas and Ness more unique and should be good [also goes for other characters and similar attacks and Final Smashes]
F-Zero: Un-nerf Falcon and perhaps add another rep, even if only through Assist Trophy
Pikimin: Does this game have many options for 2nd reps?
3rd party - the tricky area:
Sonic - bound to stay as is Nintendo's slave since SEGA went under, as for further representation - i'd love to see another but i have doubts - maybe add another assist trophy instead?
Snake - certainly a surprise, will he stay, i hope so but have feeling might not
Already mentioned Crash Bandicoot, Earthworm Jim and a few others but depending on development schedule i think realisticly there will be very few, if ANY, further 3rd party characters
Stages:
Casino Night would be good - allow for jackpot reels and potential bonus/penalty
Events:
More and more variety
"Adventure":
Bit more story and action and less bits that are surplus
Classic:
Anyone object to it being longer?
Also i dislike fact have to do on Hard AND not continue AND in under 9 minutes to fight Crazy Hand - isn't difficulty and continues enough?
As joke i was thinking of 3rd hand - akin to the Powerglove
All-star:
One or two more hearts [ok maybe i just flat-out suck ]
Sure will think of something else in time - all for now
Few thoughts that have been bouncing about for past few days;
Characters:
Mario franchises [including Yoshi and Wario]: happy with reps though could see another fitting in just fine [likely Mario as Yoshi is extremely limited and Wario is fine alone i reckon]
DK: K.Rool gotta be high up list of those to focus on getting into #4
Legend of Zelda: seems fine but i'm not too sure about having alternate Links - have as alternate costumes perhaps but separate characters i dunno
Metroid: think Dark as an alternate costume would be sound as for another rep, deserved but have feeling won't happen
Kirby: fine though suspect MK will be adjusted
Starfox: De-clone and you'll be fine - though have bad feeling all these "furries" will get their wish granted and a certain 4th one will show up
Pokemon: Pokeballs - need more variety and lower odds of getting legendaries
Characters - Jigglypuff ugh if had been cut in Melee [or Brawl] then would not have to worry but sadly seems is here to stay
Pokemon Trainer *cough*Ash/Red*cough* - why Ivysaur - i don't get it, granted been a good 10 years since watched an episode but i didn't think Ash's Bulbasaur evolved [anyone?], is it in just so have 1st, 2nd and 3rd level Pokemon?
Lucario - i like him and the aura thing is very interesting - definitely see him staying
Mewtwo - never should have been neglected, hopes for return in #4
As for newer Pokemon - as said by someone a few pages back - covered space, time etc so not really anywhere else can go so at best will get more Pokeball options but as for playable characters i have doubts
Fire Emblem: Seems fine
Mother: Make Lucas and Ness more unique and should be good [also goes for other characters and similar attacks and Final Smashes]
F-Zero: Un-nerf Falcon and perhaps add another rep, even if only through Assist Trophy
Pikimin: Does this game have many options for 2nd reps?
3rd party - the tricky area:
Sonic - bound to stay as is Nintendo's slave since SEGA went under, as for further representation - i'd love to see another but i have doubts - maybe add another assist trophy instead?
Snake - certainly a surprise, will he stay, i hope so but have feeling might not
Already mentioned Crash Bandicoot, Earthworm Jim and a few others but depending on development schedule i think realisticly there will be very few, if ANY, further 3rd party characters
Stages:
Casino Night would be good - allow for jackpot reels and potential bonus/penalty
Events:
More and more variety
"Adventure":
Bit more story and action and less bits that are surplus
Classic:
Anyone object to it being longer?
Also i dislike fact have to do on Hard AND not continue AND in under 9 minutes to fight Crazy Hand - isn't difficulty and continues enough?
As joke i was thinking of 3rd hand - akin to the Powerglove
All-star:
One or two more hearts [ok maybe i just flat-out suck
]Sure will think of something else in time - all for now
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I think (but am not sure) that he may not be able to due to not working for Nintendo anymore. IIRC he has said that he couldn't talk about the characters that didn't make it, and not just that he didn't want to, so I think that's what happened.
Anyway, here's my idea of a list. It's very conservative, but I feel it's better to be conservative than to think that a team is actually going to be committed to develop a game for five straight years and make a 70+ roster. It assumes that most characters who were clone-ish in the Brawl still are, although most of them are at least as unique as Falco (who is on the fence between being Luigified and a normal clone). It also assumes that Sakurai is staying.
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Dr. Mario
Yoshi
Wario
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Link
Zelda (Sheik)
Ganondorf
Toon Link*
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow
Samus (Zero Suit Samus)
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo**
Lucario**
Ness
Lucas
Marth
Roy***
Ike
Olimar
Isaac****
Ice Climbers
Pit
Little Mac
ROB
Mr. Game & Watch
Snake*****
Sonic*****
*This assumes that the Toon Link design stays in use. Even if it doesn't, I'm sure the idea of a younger Link will stay.
**I hate doing "multiple character slots", but it's difficult to say. Lucario will almost definitely stay unless he experiences a big drop in popularity or unless Pokemon produces a new Smash-suitable character that becomes a shooting star. Mewtwo could get back under the same conditions, but it's more likely that he won't get back than it is that Lucario will get cut.
***Assumes that Fire Emblem doesn't produce a good Smash-suitable character. If it does, then they're probably more likely than Roy.
****Assumes that Golden Sun doesn't die off.
*****Assumes that inter-company relations stay similar to what they are now. I think it's very unlikely that Sonic will get cut, but Snake is much harder to call and I might lean towards removing him. I'm not going to try to predict any other third-parties because there are too many variables.
justaway12
Smash Master
That's because he isn't Ash, Red appered in pokemon fire red/leaf green and the starters were Charmander, Bulbasaur and Squirtle they don't take it out of the anime BTW that sounds like a very nasty cough.
@ Sir Ilpalazzo:It's probably micahiah the next game unfortunatly (I hate her) but she has been in the latest game I think and it's also realised out of japan so she is most likely going to come in (I would rather have Roy or Lyn but i'n not sure).
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I don't remember the details, but I remember hearing that maybe Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon choices are specifically based off of the Pokemon Special manga.
But then I remember someone contesting it so I don't know.
So don't worry. She almost definitely won't make it.
But then I remember someone contesting it so I don't know.
The problem is that she's not even the main character, and she won't have been from the latest game (in fact, she isn't now). A FE1 character might be more likely than her.
So don't worry. She almost definitely won't make it.
Jimnymebob
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I'm not going to start a discussion over the worthiness of Ivysaur.
Don't make me.
Charizard was bound to get in over the other 2, Wartortle was never as popular as Squirtle, and Ivysaur was the best option for a grass type, due to the size of Venusaur.
Don't make me.
Charizard was bound to get in over the other 2, Wartortle was never as popular as Squirtle, and Ivysaur was the best option for a grass type, due to the size of Venusaur.
justaway12
Smash Master
But he really was a starter pokemon in fire red and leaf green the same games Pokemon trainer (Red) appered in it isn't of the anime or manga so basically HE ISN'T ASH GOT IT.
Big-Cat
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I would say that Wolf is more like Fox's Meta Knight, or Mario's Wario. Wolf has never had a particular side. He just does whatever he wants.
BanjoKazooiePro
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Has there actually been any talk on whether or not this game is actually going to happen? I'm very curious as to whether or not there is in fact going to be a 4th game.
Lemonwater
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I'm curious too. To be honest, I don't know anything about if it's happening or not, but it is an intriguing thought.
justaway12
Smash Master
There has been talk and most people agreed there is a 4th game, it's very succesful and makes a lot of money so why would they stop? If sakurai misses the oppertunity to make another someone else would definetly would take that opportunity.
Lemonwater
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Yeah, but it would be ******** if there were TWO smashes for the Wii (ignore Melee, since it was intended for GC).
BanjoKazooiePro
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Yeah, those are all true statements. The games make very large sums of money, so I don't see why they'd stop here. And another thing to remember would be how some people were disappointed with brawl. If the makers knew that, I'd have to come to believe that it'd be pretty hard to just leave it at brawl, overall concluding the series with a mediocre game (As some may say). There were too many things that they should have included however didn't, in my opinion. I don't think they should stop here at all, but if they do indeed make another game, then it must have a character roster of 50+ or I won't be satisfied. <3
Lemonwater
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Well, some people think Melee sucks, so it's all personal preference.
Lord Viper
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PsychoIncarnate
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Sakurai did in fact talk about 2 characters that didn't make it.
Geno and Krystal
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Link please?
SkylerOcon
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This doesn't matter. Most games are made in Japan, and arcades are still wildly succesful there. So why would games with story die out there, because the cycle has been proven to be wrong? Developers will continue to make games with story and will port them over to other countries for extra money.
Seeing as the website was called the 'wiikly', named after THE casual gaming console... it's safe to say that the website is biased towards casual gaming.
It wouldn't since the life of the Wii will be very long (looking at 7 years total).
Seconded.
You'd be wrong here too.
Ok, so perhaps I've been a bit mean. Tell you what, if you are interested, I will tell you where you went wrong. Common Knowledge is not so, well, "knowledgeful." I'd rather inform then rant but only if you want to hear it (and will listen).
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
I hope that if it gets made, then sakurai is fired before hand. And the rest of his crew. And they work off the melee engine. And get a less broken move set for MK.
chaos11011
Smash Lord
for 1p id love to have senerios like a backround story for each char
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
I honestly think there should be an option where you can toggle the physics engine between Melee and Brawl, just so there's no complaining from fanboys of either.
SkylerOcon
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I honestly think there should be an option where you can add in any character you want to, just so there's no complaining from fanboys of certain games.
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This. Is. Win.
It won't happen though. Let's keep up discussing.
Edit: Fox for SSB4, take the rest away.
End of the "Add Krystal plz" discussion. Just Fox, period. *patiently awaits for random insults/facts/etc/whatever/loltoomuch/hah/...*
flyinfilipino
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How to solve the Fox/Falco/Wolf clone issue:
Give Fox Krystal's staff.
Give Fox Krystal's staff.
Roy-Kun
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It's not quite a solution.
Fans will still remember Fox's original moveset. There will be lame and pointless discussions (which is want we want to end, right?)
Srsly, Fox only for SSB4, if this keeps on (same goes for Fire Emblem, >.>)
flyinfilipino
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But that's what...Falco is for! (and Wolf for those who can't get enough Reflector)
I'm not serious, by the way.
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Mattmiston
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They should add an option to turn off the weapons/random crap in some stages, so they become playable
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