[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[PsychoIncarnate]

Hurray. i have a better idea. These are all the synonyms for fight on dictionary.com

action, affray, altercation, argument, battle, battle royal*, bout, brawl, broil, brush, clash, combat, conflict, confrontation, contention, contest, controversy, difficulty, disagreement, dispute, dissension, dogfight, duel, engagement, exchange, feud, fisticuffs*, fracas, fray, free-for-all*, fuss, hostility, joust, match, melee, quarrel, riot, rivalry, round, row, ruckus, rumble, scrap*, scrimmage, scuffle, set-to*, skirmish, sparring match, strife, struggle, tiff, to-do*, tussle, war, wrangling

Don't double post. Edit your post if no one else has posted yet.

 

[justaway12]

Hurray. i have a better idea. These are all the synonyms for fight on dictionary.com

action, affray, altercation, argument, battle, battle royal*, bout, brawl, broil, brush, clash, combat, conflict, confrontation, contention, contest, controversy, difficulty, disagreement, dispute, dissension, dogfight, duel, engagement, exchange, feud, fisticuffs*, fracas, fray, free-for-all*, fuss, hostility, joust, match, melee, quarrel, riot, rivalry, round, row, ruckus, rumble, scrap*, scrimmage, scuffle, set-to*, skirmish, sparring match, strife, struggle, tiff, to-do*, tussle, war, wrangling

NO it has to be called collision WE MUST FOLLOW TRADITION.

these are the rules:
1.We MUST follow the back of the box.
2.Link will forever be low teir.
3.Capt. falcon PWNS YOU ALL.

 

[Mythic02]

On 64 it never said melee

I've checked the entire box and i didn't find it

 

[Vorguen]

Please dear God let them improve online play!!!!

As for any characters I would like introduced... hmm... I was really looking forward to Geno and Megaman, I could use without Sonic but we all know very well that would never happen lol. Definately buff up Snake's U-tilt, but that's a given.

 

[justaway12]

On 64 it never said melee

I've checked the entire box and i didn't find it

*GASP* Tianxiazhai is a liar

@Vorguen: snake needs to be buffed the man who is second highest on the teir list?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Please dear God let them improve online play!!!!

As for any characters I would like introduced... hmm... I was really looking forward to Geno and Megaman, I could use without Sonic but we all know very well that would never happen lol. Definately buff up Snake's U-tilt, but that's a given.

Snake is already S tier...why give him buffs?

 

[Ice!]

Snake is going to be back?

 

[justaway12]

Snake is going to be back?

I'm not sure but he should be especially if he gets more popular.

 

[DekuBoy]

He'll sneak back in...

 

[Jimnymebob]

I'm not sure but he should be especially if he gets more popular.

Snake doesn't really need to get more popular.
He's popular enough.

 

[Ice!]

I he returns, he will be old, nice.

 

[Mythic02]

I'm pretty sure snake will be back in
He has a big fan base and all of them will be attracted in his inclusion
If they cut him i think nintendo won't sell as many copies of the next game as they could

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm pretty sure snake will be back in
He has a big fan base and all of them will be attracted in his inclusion
If they cut him i think nintendo won't sell as many copies of the next game as they could

I bet they would if they added Cloud in his place.


(Yes, a forum with an edit button, I forgot about this!!!)

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

No Megaman!!!

 

[Mythic02]

ehh, cloud is debatable. Yeah cloud has a huge fanbase but final fantasy changes main characters each game. You forget that both smash and the 3rd-parties games get advertisement when they add characters so the 3rd parties want newer advertisements. No one is still buying ff7. They either have it or they don't.

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm pretty sure snake will be back in
He has a big fan base and all of them will be attracted in his inclusion
If they cut him i think nintendo won't sell as many copies of the next game as they could

No, hardly anyone wanted Snake in. Snake's moveset is replaceable. Also, I think a Castlevania character would be a far better representative of Konami's history with Nintendo than Snake. If Snake was bottom tier, he would be at the top of everyone's "cut" list.

Also, what do you all think of Mii as a playable character? Mario Kart Wii has your Mii as a playable character, and we all know that Mario Kart is where Sakurai gets his roster ideas from...

 

[justaway12]

Also, what do you all think of Mii as a playable character? Mario Kart Wii has your Mii as a playable character, and we all know that Mario Kart is where Sakurai gets his roster ideas from...

I was never sure about snake but miis would be so much fun especially if you can make your own moveset or have something like soul calibar 4.

 

[Mythic02]

I think miis would be problematic. It would recquire a lot of finess. If they are miis on the next console they would have to have a separate mode to play miis because making your own moveset would probably include what traits do you want them to have making miis broken. Also if you invited someone over they would have to make a mii from scratch.

 

[justaway12]

I think miis would be problematic. It would recquire a lot of finess. If they are miis on the next console they would have to have a separate mode to play miis because making your own moveset would probably include what traits do you want them to have making miis broken. Also if you invited someone over they would have to make a mii from scratch.

Well they could have moves made instead of the players making it, They could give them the ability to copy somebodys moveset or they can even copy the alloys.

 

[Jimnymebob]

No, hardly anyone wanted Snake in. Snake's moveset is replaceable. Also, I think a Castlevania character would be a far better representative of Konami's history with Nintendo than Snake. If Snake was bottom tier, he would be at the top of everyone's "cut" list.

Also, what do you all think of Mii as a playable character? Mario Kart Wii has your Mii as a playable character, and we all know that Mario Kart is where Sakurai gets his roster ideas from...

Oh sh- Funky Kong.

 

[Scott!]

Well they could have moves made instead of the players making it, They could give them the ability to copy somebodys moveset or they can even copy the alloys.

Or there could be a unique Mii moveset based on things like Wii Sports and such. They could use the various sports things like the baseball bat, golf club, etc. A bowling ball projectile would be epic win.

 

[UncleSam]

And based on the Mii you take from the mii channel affects its speed, weight, and face

 

[Ice!]

Nooo Mii on the next smash game, that would suck.

 

[justaway12]

Or there could be a unique Mii moveset based on things like Wii Sports and such. They could use the various sports things like the baseball bat, golf club, etc. A bowling ball projectile would be epic win.

That's what I meant in the first option but my expanations stinks .

@Ice!: why they seem like fun and are in a lot of games.

 

[Ice!]

That's what I meant in the first option but my expanations stinks .

@Ice!: why they seem like fun and are in a lot of games.

Yeah, but they would be a failure in a smash game, sorry man but I just hate the Miis.

 

[Kraryo]

I think I remember hearing somewhere Sakurai didn't put Miis into Brawl, because they would take away focus from the other characters. There are (and will always be) tiers and most people use the top tier characters, so Miis (as long as they aren't broken) don't sound as bad as what Sakurai thinks.

 

[flyinfilipino]

I think I remember hearing somewhere Sakurai didn't put Miis into Brawl, because they would take away focus from the other characters. There are (and will always be) tiers and most people use the top tier characters, so Miis (as long as they aren't broken) don't sound as bad as what Sakurai thinks.

Most competitive players use the top tier characters.

I understand what Sakurai means; if Miis were to be in Smash, they'd most likely have to be customizable, and that takes the attention away from the 'real' characters that have history/significance behind them.

 

[UncleSam]

Sakurai should think about the popular vote instead of the little voice in his head

 

[ChronoBound]

I think I remember hearing somewhere Sakurai didn't put Miis into Brawl, because they would take away focus from the other characters. There are (and will always be) tiers and most people use the top tier characters, so Miis (as long as they aren't broken) don't sound as bad as what Sakurai thinks.

Where did Sakurai say that about Miis? I want links, not heresay.

 

[justaway12]

quote form sakurai: Of course, I think there was a possibility of taking Smash Bros. in a more casual-gaming direction. For example, we could make the art style simpler or make it possible to use Miis. However, with the various titles that the Wii was to offer, I felt that people were looking for something different. That’s the reason I decided in very early stages of development that the Wii pointer and motion movements would not be a primary feature of the game.

http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol2_page1.jsp

apperently they felt that people were looking for something different

 

[Ice!]

Of course Sakuraiii, gtfo Miis.

 

[§leepy God]

Sakurai should think about the popular vote instead of the little voice in his head

To me, I think he should screw the fans and make the game without any fan advice. But that's just my option.

Also, I believe the next Smash Bros should have at least one new button to use for some new moves, that would be cool, but that's my option again.

 

[ChronoBound]

quote form sakurai: Of course, I think there was a possibility of taking Smash Bros. in a more casual-gaming direction. For example, we could make the art style simpler or make it possible to use Miis. However, with the various titles that the Wii was to offer, I felt that people were looking for something different. That’s the reason I decided in very early stages of development that the Wii pointer and motion movements would not be a primary feature of the game.

http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol2_page1.jsp

He doesn't give a clear cut reason as to why he didn't want Miis. Considering that Brawl's gameplay was vastly simplified compared to Melee, he did decide to make Smash Bros. take a more casual route. Also, I don't think the usage of Miis would necessarily "casualize" Smash Bros.

 

[justaway12]

He doesn't give a clear cut reason as to why he didn't want Miis. Considering that Brawl's gameplay was vastly simplified compared to Melee, he did decide to make Smash Bros. take a more casual route. Also, I don't think the usage of Miis would necessarily "casualize" Smash Bros.

Well he said in his quote that they wanted something different "make it possible to use Miis. However, with the various titles that the Wii was to offer, I felt that people were looking for something different. " so I guess miis appered in too many games

 

[Son1x-]

To me, I think he should screw the fans and make the game without any fan advice. .

He did put in fan service with ZSS though ^^

 

[flyinfilipino]

He doesn't give a clear cut reason as to why he didn't want Miis. Considering that Brawl's gameplay was vastly simplified compared to Melee, he did decide to make Smash Bros. take a more casual route. Also, I don't think the usage of Miis would necessarily "casualize" Smash Bros.

You were right about that; he did give a different reason for not using Miis. I take it that Miis had already appeared in many games on the Wii directed toward casual gamers, so Sakurai wanted to differentiate Smash Bros. from those.

Also, Smash Bros.' basic gameplay was not "vastly" simplified from Melee.

 

[ChronoBound]

You were right about that; he did give a different reason for not using Miis. I take it that Miis had already appeared in many games on the Wii directed toward casual gamers, so Sakurai wanted to differentiate Smash Bros. from those.

Also, Smash Bros.' basic gameplay was not "vastly" simplified from Melee.

A lot of competitive Melee players would beg to differ.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Also, Smash Bros.' basic gameplay was not "vastly" simplified from Melee.

Wavedashing, yadda yadda yadda

Sure, the physics have changed a lot, but at its core, Smash Bros. didn't really get too much "simpler".

 

[Mythic02]

You have to realize most of the metagame was formed by players, not sakurai. There are still techniques that can be developed. Sakurai eliminated wavedashing and instead put in a feature that allows characters to turn around at full speed. Melee had 9 years to develope metagame so brawl could have some advanced technique waiting to be discovered.

 

[UncleSam]

To me, I think he should screw the fans and make the game without any fan advice. But that's just my option.

Also, I believe the next Smash Bros should have at least one new button to use for some new moves, that would be cool, but that's my option again.

1st- my view and yours are both extremes, either way could be good
2nd-you mean add a whole new button, if so we expect SSB4 to come out after a new system is released that's too long! just add downloadables in the Wii shop channel to obtain new characters, stages, items