[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[justaway12]

i meant that you can't play as two of your favorite characters at the same time so i don't think it's necessary to have to play asboth Zss and regular samus i have multiple mains so i take turns using them. the same thing could apply to Zss and samus

Yes but just like zelda/shiek they are the same person that's why they can switch.

 

[Mythic02]

ehh, fine. i still like my idea better but whatever. I personally think it would be a lot more fun with them separated but oh well.

 

[justaway12]

ehh, fine. i still like my idea better but whatever. I personally think it would be a lot more fun with them separated but oh well.

http://princess-peach.net/Voice%20clips/SSBM-oh%20did%20i%20win.wav


I'm really sorry it was a really good argument but i just always wanted to use this so no offence.

 

[Mythic02]

it's ok, i gave up because i thought this board would be more useful if we focused on better things rather than having a fight.

What bout new items?

I forgot where i found it but i liked the wing cap that let you fly for ten seconds.
Also how about a timer that speeds you up.

 

[justaway12]

it's ok, i gave up because i thought this board would be more useful if we focused on better things rather than having a fight.

What bout new items?

I forgot where i found it but i liked the wing cap that let you fly for ten seconds.
Also how about a timer that speeds you up.

That would a great item or they could bring back the parasol thingy and the red shell or something the kart races

 

[UncleSam]

ooh how about the Blue shell from Mario Kart? It homes in on the person who is winning...

 

[justaway12]

maybe even bullet bills

@unclesam: i hate those shells in that game it could be so annoying but it does sound like fun .

 

[Lord Viper]

ooh how about the Blue shell from Mario Kart? It homes in on the person who is winning...

No, that would be too broken, though it may sound more fair than the Lightning they have now.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

No, that would be too broken, though it may sound more fair than the Lightning they have now.

I don't think that sounds broken

It could also backfire by striking yourself if you are in the lead as well

 

[justaway12]

I think thunder would be fun (that thing in mario kart) where you sometimes get the thunder cloud and have to pass it to another player until someone shrinks, I'd hate to have that against a sonic in new pork city or temple.

 

[Mythic02]

how about a pow block that you throw to the ground and it will deal 15% damage to anyone on the ground while knocking them up slightly.If you hit someone with it it does 25% damage and has massive knock back like 3 bombs together.. It would fall really fast though and not have much horizontal distance making it hard to hit with.

 

[Lord Viper]

I don't think that sounds broken

It could also backfire by striking yourself if you are in the lead as well

Well, as long as the Spiny Shell don't have any monsterus knockback like kill you in one hit kind of knock back then it's alright. I don't want item battle be won mostly by chance. ^_^;

how about a pow block that you throw to the ground and it will deal 15% damage to anyone on the ground while knocking them up slightly.If you hit someone with it it does 25% damage and has massive knock back like 3 bombs together.. It would fall really fast though and not have much horizontal distance making it hard to hit with.

That would be good, but since the Pow Block is the size of a box, that would make it hard to use, make it worth not getting. Unless you want it a size of a capsule or so.

 

[Illusive]

Ideal Tier List

High (there is no "top tier"):

Mario (In an ideal game, the all rounder should be the best, not the specialist of a single aspect)
Link (He's never been above low tier)
Mewtwo (He should appear to be "uber" as his character requires)
(everyone else)
Falco (he's been top tier too long)
Meta Knight (they should find a way to make him not that good while maintaining his playstyle)

Low:
Zelda
Shiek (A player should need to use both to do well in tournaments)

 

[Mythic02]

yeah, the pow block is height of a capsule but it's square.

Also another idea would be to have an idea that forms a copy of you. It would make a level 3 character that is all black. It would automatically target a character but, like all cpus, it is quite dumb and might throw an item at you if you're between in and the target. All it's attacks wouldn't hurt you unless you can hurt your self(like snakes mine.)

Also i was thinking about speed boost that forces you to keep running faster than you normally would. You can't stop but you can turn. It last for 5 seconds and you won't take damage. You deal out 10% per hit.

 

[§leepy God]

The copy idea might be better for a Pokeball item, Ditto. Roumer said that he was in Melee, but I still have yet to see him. I think it was a lie... even though it's in the stratgey guide. I'm not sure about your speed boost idea of what item that would be.

 

[justaway12]

The pow block sounds good like a buffed version of bonsley it's a shame it's already in the stage mario bros but hopefully that stage might not be SSB4.
And how about random is ditto and whenever random wins ditto does his own little victory it seems like fun.

@Illusive: I absoluly 100% agree with your teir list, any teir list with mario at the top is amazing imo.

 

[Mythic02]

The speed boost automatically activates when you pick it up. It has low knock back though so getting hit wouldn't be a problem. I forgot to mention though that you can only use one jump with it so if you are dumb enough to go off stage you are pretty much doomed.

I saw ditto in melee once but only with an action replay my friend used on his game. It would just go out and do nothing. Also i'd rather it be its own item than only having a chance of getting it like a pokeball.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Ideal Tier List

High (there is no "top tier"):

Mario (In an ideal game, the all rounder should be the best, not the specialist of a single aspect)
Link (He's never been above low tier)
Mewtwo (He should appear to be "uber" as his character requires)
(everyone else)
Falco (he's been top tier too long)
Meta Knight (they should find a way to make him not that good while maintaining his playstyle)

Low:
Zelda
Shiek (A player should need to use both to do well in tournaments)

I have never wanted to reach through the screen and beat somebody more than now. A character like Zelda/Shiek should never be gimped because you need to know how to use both to be good. We tried that already, with Pokemon Trainer. And guess what? HE SUCKS.

Also, that isn't the ideal tier list. The ideal tier list is everybody is middle tier.

 

[Scott!]

Ideal Tier List

High (there is no "top tier"):

Mario (In an ideal game, the all rounder should be the best, not the specialist of a single aspect)
Link (He's never been above low tier)
Mewtwo (He should appear to be "uber" as his character requires)
(everyone else)
Falco (he's been top tier too long)
Meta Knight (they should find a way to make him not that good while maintaining his playstyle)

Low:
Zelda
Shiek (A player should need to use both to do well in tournaments)

This kind of hurts my soul. First off, if Mario is to be the all around character of averages, then shouldn't he be dead center on the tier list? That's about where he fit in in the other two games, but in Brawl, he dropped a bit further. For the sake of him being the actual average, I kind of hope he'll move up, but he just isn't that good. He needs a boost, but not to top.

Link does need some serious respect. I agree with what the SBR said in their weekly thing on Link; it seems like Sakurai hates him for making him decent, but giving him terrible recovery. If he just gets his spin attack back from Melee, I'll be satisfied enough.

Having Zelda alone as my secondary makes your last point hurt my soul a lot. Shiek's style is one of my least favorite in the game, and really just doesn't work for me at all. Zelda works pretty well for me, relatively. I shouldn't be punished for that. Sure, it can be advantageous to use both, but I as a Zelda player shouldn't become automatically unviable. Also, PKMN Trainer really needs to get rid of forced switching, or at least stamina.

 

[Wave⁂]

I think Illusive just arbitrarily picked random characters with an online random number generator and made up reasons to justify their placements.

 

[justaway12]

Who said Mario can't be top, just because he's an all round character doesn't mean he's doomed to middle teir if he is why isn't he middle on this teir list, when they make the teir list they also think about tournaments scores and someother things aswell what if someone really good got him as his main he would moved up the teir list, also being an all round character mean you're alright at everything why shouldn't he move up if he is alright at everything and doesn't have anything bad about him, if a character has an amazing air game but an extermly horrible ground game mario could use that to his advantage that is if mario is high teir in the next game IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE and conisdering he IS the king of nintendo i would say he has a better chance than alot of people.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Well...

All-around characters have no weakness, they also have no advantages. It's said.

Yet there are characters who can be better, and well, there are many characters that surpass Mario in Smash.

Just because he's Nintendo's mascot doesn't means he's the 00berg0d.

 

[sniperfire]

Cap. Falcon for Epic Tier.

 

[justaway12]

Well...

All-around characters have no weakness, they also have no advantages. It's said.

Yet there are characters who can be better, and well, there are many characters that surpass Mario in Smash.

Just because he's Nintendo's mascot doesn't means he's the 00berg0d.

but other characters should have weaknesses and all-around charcters should be able to use it to their advantage.

@sniperfire: capt.falcon is already epic teir

 

[Jimnymebob]

Ideal Tier List

High (there is no "top tier"):

Mario (In an ideal game, the all rounder should be the best, not the specialist of a single aspect) All rounders have as many weaknesses as they have strengths. I half the cast was slow and strong and the other half was fast and weak, then Mario would have advantage over the slow speed and weak strength, but the high strength and quick speed would be a disadvantage to him.
Link (He's never been above low tier) And that means he should be 2nd on the tier list because he's not been there before? Neiter has a lot of characters..
Mewtwo (He should appear to be "uber" as his character requires)
(everyone else) People would complain if Mewtwo was 'uber'. He just needs improving.
Falco (he's been top tier too long) Sakurai has managed to keep a clone on a similar level on the tier list for 2 games in a row.
Meta Knight (they should find a way to make him not that good while maintaining his playstyle) You want Metaknight to be the same as in Brawl, but low on the tier list? What could they do, make his attacks deal no damage/ knockback, and have him die at 30%? That logic is flawed.

Low:
Zelda
Shiek (A player should need to use both to do well in tournaments) You have to be punished or using two characters?! Go win a tournament with Popo and Olimar without his Pikmin and get back to me.

That list makes absolutely no sense.

 

[justaway12]

Ideal Tier List

High (there is no "top tier"):

Mario (In an ideal game, the all rounder should be the best, not the specialist of a single aspect) All rounders have as many weaknesses as they have strengths. I half the cast was slow and strong and the other half was fast and weak, then Mario would have advantage over the slow speed and weak strength, but the high strength and quick speed would be a disadvantage to him.
Link (He's never been above low tier) And that means he should be 2nd on the tier list because he's not been there before? Neiter has a lot of characters..Mewtwo (He should appear to be "uber" as his character requires)
(everyone else) People would complain if Mewtwo was 'uber'. He just needs improving.Falco (he's been top tier too long) Sakurai has managed to keep a clone on a similar level on the tier list for 2 games in a row.Meta Knight (they should find a way to make him not that good while maintaining his playstyle) You want Metaknight to be the same as in Brawl, but low on the tier list? What could they do, make his attacks deal no damage/ knockback, and have him die at 30%? That logic is flawed.
Low:
Zelda
Shiek (A player should need to use both to do well in tournaments) You have to be punished or using two characters?! Go win a tournament with Popo and Olimar without his Pikmin and get back to me.

That list makes absolutely no sense.

An all-rounder should be someone the has NO advantages or disadvantages
this is how they should be:

Speed:5/10
Power:5/10
Recovery:5/10
Everything else: 5/10

a fast guy SHOULD be something like this:

speed: 7-10/10
power: 1-3/10
recovery: 5-8/10
etc.

a strong guy SHOULD be something like this:

speed: 1-4/10
power: 7-10/10
recovery: 3-8/10

Link could be second because he is the main character of one of nintendo top selling games.

 

[Jimnymebob]

An all rounder can't have no advantages or disadvantages unless all characters are all rounders.

 

[justaway12]

An all rounder can't have no advantages or disadvantages unless all characters are all rounders.

well that's kind of confusing but i guess so if you're saying what i think you're saying.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Me and my terrible explanations .

What I mean is that i an all rounder fought a character who was fast, strong, and had Jigglypuff/ MK's aerial abilities the all rounder would have a disadvantage.

 

[justaway12]

Me and my terrible explanations .

What I mean is that i an all rounder fought a character who was fast, strong, and had Jigglypuff/ MK's aerial abilities the all rounder would have a disadvantage.

Well yes but that would just mean the other character was broken and that's why a game can't be full all rounders, it would be fun having a character like that though .

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno should have high speed and high power, but be a light character...Some of his regular attacks should be kinda mid-ranged based upon his guns, such as Rocket fist being a smash attack or pellet machinegun (Or something) being his rapid fire hit.

and of course, if you time Geno Whirl (Which should be forward B) it should do 9999 damage!

 

[•Col•]

The copy idea might be better for a Pokeball item, Ditto. Roumer said that he was in Melee, but I still have yet to see him. I think it was a lie... even though it's in the stratgey guide. I'm not sure about your speed boost idea of what item that would be.

Ditto was in Melee. He would either copy you or your opponent(I can't remember which one) and then fights for a bit. However, they couldn't get it to work correctly because of whenever it'd copy the Ice Climbers. xD

 

[Cinos_Gohegdeh]

what do you think the next one will be called?

i think Super Smash Bros. Battle
i cant think of anymore fighting words, or words that mean fight.

 

[chaos11011]

super smash bros. clash (it rymes)

 

[justaway12]

what do you think the next one will be called?

i think Super Smash Bros. Battle
i cant think of anymore fighting words, or words that mean fight.

It's super smash bros. collision, on the back of the 64 box it said melee, on the back of melee it said brawl and on the back of brawl it says collision i'm sure somebody told me that but I forget who I don't even own 64 so i'm not sure.

EDIT:I found the quote

Impossible. Sorry.

On the back of the ssb64 box, the word melee appears.
On the back of melee, the world brawl appears
On the back of brawl....the only fit word i see is collide.

Tradition MUST STAND

 

[n88]

It says "Collide" on the back of Brawl. However, as I've said a few hundred pages back, there are two viable names for a new Smash game:

Super Smash Sisters

Super Smash Bros Fisticuffs

 

[justaway12]

It says "Collide" on the back of Brawl. However, as I've said a few hundred pages back, there are two viable names for a new Smash game:

Super Smash Sisters

Super Smash Bros Fisticuffs

Sorry i got confused :embarrass

Super Smash Sisters?
Silly person Girls don't belong in video games jk .

Fisticuffs sound good though.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Super Smash Bros. Fight, or Melee 2.0

 

[Mythic02]

I like Super smash bros collide or super smash bros: Battle royale

 

[Mythic02]

Hurray. i have a better idea. These are all the synonyms for fight on dictionary.com

action, affray, altercation, argument, battle, battle royal*, bout, brawl, broil, brush, clash, combat, conflict, confrontation, contention, contest, controversy, difficulty, disagreement, dispute, dissension, dogfight, duel, engagement, exchange, feud, fisticuffs*, fracas, fray, free-for-all*, fuss, hostility, joust, match, melee, quarrel, riot, rivalry, round, row, ruckus, rumble, scrap*, scrimmage, scuffle, set-to*, skirmish, sparring match, strife, struggle, tiff, to-do*, tussle, war, wrangling