OFFICIAL Sonic thread. (Keep it Brawl related, or suffer Xsy's/Xii's wrath!)

[ShadowLink84]

Malcolm's Sonic is heavily oriented around mindgames. When I use Sonic and when he uses Sonic its a stark contrast because he is much more into feintsand usage of dash dancing than I am and it works well.

perhaps Sonic is a character who is best taken to extremes when it comes to behavior?

 

[B%B]

Maclom - Extreme mindgames.

Boxob - Extreme pressure.

X - Extreme pressure.

Tenki - Extreme scrubbyness.

?

 

[memphischains]

I hate this thread

 

[SonicX580]

LOL the one time I didn't give you a sarcastic response, you suspect it
congrats on level up.

edit:
ohh, i just realized that wasn't really a sig >_>

ROOOOY:
nightvision one more time, I updated it XD

No, there's no Empire City :[

Well that's good to know and the sig thing you said I thought it was sarcaism anyways thanks also I getting Sonic unleashed for christmas (not really sure though).

 

[~TBS~]

I want a general public opinion. Which move is worse, Homing Attack or Fthrow? Non-wifi lol.

Have to go with Homing Attack >_>

i say they both are really good moves if used right. HA can really help you sometimes, and fthrow, like KID's CG is too good. I can catch people with it sometimes, but usually have to toss in a Side B cancel. I cant really say they are bad moves, sorry, ROOOOY!
How come Malcolm is so good at mindgaming?

 

[SonicX580]

I want a general public opinion. Which move is worse, Homing Attack or Fthrow? Non-wifi lol.

Have to go with Homing Attack >_>

i say they both are really good moves if used right. HA can really help you sometimes, and fthrow, like KID's CG is too good. I can catch people with it sometimes, but usually have to toss in a Side B cancel. I cant really say they are bad moves, sorry, ROOOOY!
How come Malcolm is so good at mindgaming?

Well Sonicmaster5 HA is kinda better than F-throw because it's kinda delayed attack ex. tornado(MK) and it's good for recovery also Malcolm is good probably because he has alot of exp. with Sonic because in order to unlock Sonic's true power you have to have alot of exp. like playing Sonic for a long time ex. being in full syncro with Sonic well I hope that answered your question but in case it didn't somebody else got a opninon?

 

[thumbswayup]

I hate this thread

As do I. Why the hell am I still subscribed to it?

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

memphis, you hate everything. Except for steak

I prefer F Throw sadly. At least you can try to jump up and Fair someone after using it rather than watch Sonic get smacked out of that so called 'Homing' Attack

 

[Tenki]

Well Sonicmaster5 HA is kinda better than F-throw because it's kinda delayed attack ex. tornado(MK) and it's good for recovery also Malcolm is good probably because he has alot of exp. with Sonic because in order to unlock Sonic's true power you have to have alot of exp. like playing Sonic for a long time ex. being in full syncro with Sonic well I hope that answered your question but in case it didn't somebody else got a opninon?

..?????

How many times do you need someone to dodge your HA and send you too low to recover, jump off and drag your Homing Attack off stage to gimp you, pull you under the stage to set up stage spikes, pull your Homing Attack into charged U-smashes, Falcon Punches, and Ganondorf F-smashes before you get the point that Homing Attack is NOT a good nor reliable recovery option?

On wifi it might be good because your opponent will have delayed reaction time or might not know how to completely destroy HA, but seriously, it's not good.

 

[Chis]

Stalling and when you don't what it to lock since it sends Sonic some distance forwards anyways?

 

[infomon]

Tenki, there are good situations to use HA for recovery.

• If your opponent is in a bind to recover, and you know that they aren't able to airdodge, or use another means to punish you for your HA. Preferably after they've used an up-B or side-B to recover.
  
  
• If you're behind a wall, like if you're low on Yoshi's Island. If you're out of range or if they dodge, you can gain height by just bouncing off the wall; if they're not right at the edge of the stage and it does lock-on, you'll bounce near the upper-part of the stage, and likely be still protected by the wall, and/or a safe distance to not get punished for the HA.
  
  
• You're fighting Ice Climbers, and the HA will lock onto Nana
  
  
• Your opponent's stuck in lag, long enough that you're safe to use the HA.
  
  
• You're far enough from the opponent that you know it won't lock-on; the HA's unlocked drop still gives you a reasonable amount of horizontal distance, that can either save you, or just give you more options for doing your real recovery afterwards (with your midair jump and/or Spring).

 

[ROOOOY!]

Don't use HA for recovery ever.
Like Chis, you would have beaten me probably in some games, but for Homing Attack. Like, the Sonic ditto on Delfino Plaza, two of your deaths were from me exploiting your Homing Attack's lameness.

Seriously, you'd be a better player without it.

 

[Tenki]

Tenki, there are good situations to use HA for recovery.

• If your opponent is in a bind to recover, and you know that they aren't able to airdodge, or use another means to punish you for your HA. Preferably after they've used an up-B or side-B to recover.
• If you're behind a wall, like if you're low on Yoshi's Island. If you're out of range or if they dodge, you can gain height by just bouncing off the wall; if they're not right at the edge of the stage and it does lock-on, you'll bounce near the upper-part of the stage, and likely be still protected by the wall, and/or a safe distance to not get punished for the HA.
• You're fighting Ice Climbers, and the HA will lock onto Nana
• Your opponent's stuck in lag, long enough that you're safe to use the HA.
• You're far enough from the opponent that you know it won't lock-on; the HA's unlocked drop still gives you a reasonable amount of horizontal distance, that can either save you, or just give you more options for doing your real recovery afterwards (with your midair jump and/or Spring).

1) Following opponent recoveries is usually good, as long as it's not an invincible recovery or a double jump.
2) Exploitable by an opponent on the edge if they jump off-stage and fast fall (you go upwards, go into 'dead time' fall, and most likely get B-aired away from the stage, if not spiked.
3) Reverse U-smash :<
4) Yes.
5) HA's rise, non-lock trajectory, and 'dead time' fall are actually slightly worse than just holding forward the whole time with Sonic. If you're absolutely out of range, then yeah, you can use it to slow down/stall your fall. If your opponent can jump into range, then watch out :<

That narrows it to two:

Tenki, there are good situations to use HA for recovery.

• If your opponent is in a bind to recover, and you know that they aren't able to airdodge, or use another means to punish you for your HA. Preferably after they've used an up-B or side-B to recover.
• Your opponent's stuck in lag, long enough that you're safe to use the HA.

and the second is more of an on-stage thing than a recovery thing.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Guess what I'm going to say

Spoiler

again

Hint: It has something to do with Homing Attack

 

[Jim Morrison]

Here's a perfect example of recovering with HA, go to 0:19.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06bpcImbTo

 

[Tenki]

Here's a perfect example of recovering with HA, go to 0:19.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06bpcImbTo

Up until that point, I was going to say "wow, if he just spotdodged one of those homing attacks, he would have been screwed."

then I saw the thing and I lol'd

 

[SonicX580]

Also guys HA is good for a surprise attack.

 

[Tenki]

almost as much surprise as Falcon Punch.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Falcon Punch is more surprising than HA. Takes less frames (if you dont cancel HA).

 

[Tenki]

does it really?

I've been waiting for Falcon Punch frame data forever lol.

then I can go over to the Falcon boards and make a case for more Falcon Punch use.

 

[Jim Morrison]

If Flacon rolls away just as HA comes at him, Sonic gets the uber landing lag, Flacon can actually Punch him.

 

[motsalogeL]

Woah, you know Captrain Flacon?

 

[Browny]

yesterday i hit a fox from 0% with FIVE consectutive d-tilts, all perfectly spaced so he landed right into the next one :D

it was sexy

 

[SiegK]

I've fell in love with Sonic for Brawl all over again. Started using him a lot more recently, cause Sonic UNleashed gave me a bit of a Sonic rush again. (I dont mean the DS game)

Had that moment again.. ya know the one.. when your playing and then all of a sudden.. "Whoa.. Sonic is actually in Super Smash Bros..." and then you just smile. Hahaha

 

[SonicX580]

I've fell in love with Sonic for Brawl all over again. Started using him a lot more recently, cause Sonic UNleashed gave me a bit of a Sonic rush again. (I dont mean the DS game)

Had that moment again.. ya know the one.. when your playing and then all of a sudden.. "Whoa.. Sonic is actually in Super Smash Bros..." and then you just smile. Hahaha

Good for you SiegK recently my fellings brawl kinda died.

 

[IsmaR]

I've fell in love with Sonic for Brawl all over again. Started using him a lot more recently, cause Sonic UNleashed gave me a bit of a Sonic rush again. (I dont mean the DS game)

Had that moment again.. ya know the one.. when your playing and then all of a sudden.. "Whoa.. Sonic is actually in Super Smash Bros..." and then you just smile. Hahaha

Ironically enough, I had one of those recently and started using him more(though I haven't gotten Unleashed yet).

EDIT: This doesn't mean I'm not opposed to the idea of Sonic being in Brawl. That will never end. Rid-lee > S4VVN1K, rubs me the wrong way, etc etc.

 

[da K.I.D.]

yesterday i hit a fox from 0% with FIVE consectutive d-tilts, all perfectly spaced so he landed right into the next one :D

it was sexy

funny that you mention this.

 

[da K.I.D.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIMdBP0pdlE&NR=1

i figure ill leave this here, it seems pretty accurate...

 

[Tenki]

I watched it, and lol that guy sucks. He like, almost never runs with the werehog. That makes the game SOOO much slower :<

He also sucked at aiming and complained about how the hit magnet or whatever wasn't good.
It's only accurate for the Wii version.

As werehog, he also didn't do things like guardcancelling attacks, which makes the werehog mode fun sometimes, because you're busy messing around trying to do tech-skill-heavy combos with dash attack and jab cancels. LOL.
I didn't know about that until I unlocked a hint or something, and I had lots of fun screwing around with it



The 360 version is a completely different game that (at least, for the day parts) brings Sonic justice with long(er) levels, more daytime stages, and platform, AS Sonic (not werehog).

Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQiTqmfCFk (360)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bmfm-RMRaQ&fmt=18 (Wii)


lol I feel so gipped every time I watch a video from the 360 version.

:[

/offtopic.

so, running, shield stopping > immediate backwards shorthop looks pretty weird.

Also, (separate note), try releasing the control stick right before you jump, even when doing RAR.

It's pretty good for spacing.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Guard cancelling attacks? Sounds neat.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i thought you got that game confused with brawl for a quick second..

 

[Tenki]

seriously, it almost required more tech skill than brawl.

except it wasn't required, and the fights are generally easy enough to not do it.

but hey, it's fun :3

 

[SonicX580]

Hey guys with all of the techs annouced are we done with new techs?

 

[da K.I.D.]

not a chance in hell...

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

But what's it DO? Like Lcanceling? Except with a not fun stupid werehog?

 

[Tenki]

But what's it DO? Like Lcanceling? Except with a not fun stupid werehog?

It cancels your attack altogether, no matter what part of the move you're in, as long as you're on the ground.

If Sonic had that in Brawl, oh man.

 

[B_AWAL]

It cancels your attack altogether, no matter what part of the move you're in, as long as you're on the ground.

If Sonic had that in Brawl, oh man.

So ur the great Tenki that FUCT told me about... Pleasure to meet U!!! I challenge U 2 a duel!!! :-3

 

[Chis]

In the Wifi thread. You have to contribute meaningfull and intelligent posts before you can fight him..

 

[Tenki]

Not really lol.

I'll play if you get in touch with me some time over the weekend, or afterwards, since break starts this weekend for me.

 

[B_AWAL]

In the Wifi thread. You have to contribute meaningfull and intelligent posts before you can fight him..

Sorry, I just didn't wanna say anything ******** seeing that there are already 1022 pages worth of conversation I doubt that there's anything healthy that I can donate to this thread. All I kno is that whenever I play Sonic I constantly imagine that there is a Sonic player far better than I and that motivates me to get better. I didn't have any1 to look up 2 until I heard about Tenki. Therefore Tenki = My Hero = best Sonic Player I kno of = My Hero = Person I Really wanna be better than = person that's gonna help me bring Sonic to mid tier.

but seriously..... theres no way in H*LL I'm reading 1022 pages so I know what to say. I can say that Kirby isn't much of a problem :-) unless they know how to mindgame fsmash and double downB. Also, Blu ball canceling is hilarious when people have no idea it's coming. And I also love the fact that since all of Sonic's spinballing attacks make the same sound it a fun mindgame.

Sonic Unleashed = Massive amounts of fun w/ Gamecube controller. Congrats to Sega for getting it right, at least halfway, cuz daytime stages are a F***ing blast! Nightime = Massively tedious and I wish I aint have to do it.

Happy???