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- Thread starter Tenki
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I don't spring to dair. I have played Sonic quite some time now. I just mostly end up abusing spindash cancels and stuff too much and forget my spacing and I get predictable and lose. When starting Sonic, what are the important things to do? I know pretty much everything about Sonic, but I lack experience.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
You just want to start out attempting to master his ATs.
ASC, ASCSC, spindash cancels (you already know this apparently), ddp, spinshot, try to work on spindash footstools, and learn the jablock setup in case you ever get a chance to use it. You want to mix up some of his ATs to mindgame your opponents either to approach or to force them into making a move that you can read and punish. Sonic is mostly mindgames and punishing.
ASC, ASCSC, spindash cancels (you already know this apparently), ddp, spinshot, try to work on spindash footstools, and learn the jablock setup in case you ever get a chance to use it. You want to mix up some of his ATs to mindgame your opponents either to approach or to force them into making a move that you can read and punish. Sonic is mostly mindgames and punishing.
Kinzer
Mammy
Can't say this enough.
You can have all the hat tricks in the world and it wouldn't make a difference if you don't know when to use them. If you can't force your opponent to do stuff that's punishable, they will eventually overpower you with brute force. Sonic can't match it, so he does it through all the shenanigans he has.
But here's a little something for you. Whenever you get a chance, if your problem is that you're that worried about abusing Sonic's ATs to the point where it's costing you, why not turn off your Specials on your control scheme? Go at it bare bones with just his attacks, jump, and shield. I wouldn't expect to win, but the goal is to see how much damage you can do.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Worst idea ever. Sonic can't succeed without spindash. It's a well-known fact.
Plus how the hell would he recover? Lol
Plus how the hell would he recover? Lol
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Approaching falco with spindash cancels and vsdj. 2pro
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
generally, you dont approach. You pretend, and you make them think youre going to approach, and than you punish whatever they used to stuff the approach of yours that never came, get it?
otherwise, its really hard to approach against other peoples attacks, but sonic approaching on shield is amazing.
otherwise, its really hard to approach against other peoples attacks, but sonic approaching on shield is amazing.
infomon
Smash Scientist
Yeah, Sonic's all about the fake-outs. He has a lot of "gimmicks" but really the only major thing you need to learn off-the-bat is how to use the spindash cancels effectively.
Sonics tend to fall into a "rhythm" with the spindashes, where the opponent knows when the sonic will release it. That's bad; make sure you mact them react early or hold their shield too long (or whatever they do on-reaction when you start a spindash). Also, don't spam spindash to the point where you're doing it while the opponent is too close to you so he can hit you as you're charging it; that's always sad.
Actually, try not to use spindashes all that much. More important I think is to make sure you're getting those grabs with your ridiculous running speed.
SH bair is very good, too.
Sonics tend to fall into a "rhythm" with the spindashes, where the opponent knows when the sonic will release it. That's bad; make sure you mact them react early or hold their shield too long (or whatever they do on-reaction when you start a spindash). Also, don't spam spindash to the point where you're doing it while the opponent is too close to you so he can hit you as you're charging it; that's always sad.
Actually, try not to use spindashes all that much. More important I think is to make sure you're getting those grabs with your ridiculous running speed.
SH bair is very good, too.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Also approaching by weaving back and forth with dash into shield works wonders. You can sometimes catch someone trying to attack you during your dash as you shield and you can punish that with either a shieldgrab or aerial out of shield.
I tried abusing my running speed today. It worked quite well. I improved a lot today. I used spindash stuff a lot more effectively and used my aerials well. I tried that fakeout stuff too a lot of course.
Man he is one hard character to use!
Man he is one hard character to use!
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
He's worth all the hard work though. Especially because maybe 10 or less people in the U.S. who aren't sonic mains know how to fight him. And 2 are ex sonic mains. And even less people in other countries know how to fight him.
Kinzer
Mammy
Perhaps Espy was just getting in on the act, but why not try proofreading?
Some characters do not have the luxury of a good recovery. In which case, practice your DI so you don't get sent so far offstage. Or how about reserving that second jump? When something good is taken away from you, you tend to improvise.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
in some matchups, *coughmk* it can be very beneficial to attempt to never use bair. or if you do, not until after 150
hi im pretty new to sawnic.
i picked him up because hes just so much fun to play and pretty much the contrast of a character compared to my main.
im lurking here around for some days now , but couldnt find an answer to my question.
how do you decide wich areal you use to combo into, after SDJ ?
do you consider, at what spacing you hit your enemy?
is it the %?
do you read the DI?
oder react to it?
is it character dependent?
i picked him up because hes just so much fun to play and pretty much the contrast of a character compared to my main.
im lurking here around for some days now , but couldnt find an answer to my question.
how do you decide wich areal you use to combo into, after SDJ ?
do you consider, at what spacing you hit your enemy?
is it the %?
do you read the DI?
oder react to it?
is it character dependent?
Well, usually it's "which move do I want to follow up with?", since the habit for most people is to buffer / do the move immediately after SDR hits.
if you U-air it sends above, if you F-air, they can SDI/DI down to escape (but if they don't, it does the most damage). N-air is single hit so it's reliable if you want a certain amount of damage, but you can't really follow it up if you're doing it while rising.
SDR > B-air is close to a true combo at kill %'s, assuming they don't DI away or something, so if you have an unstale spindash, you might even wanna try that lol.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
I just started playing Brawl for the first time since I got off for winter vacation, and while I was playing CPUs, I realized I still have a certain habit I do a lot with friends: Utilting when I'm in close quarters. The motion is so automatic to me that I don't even realize I've done it until Sonic starts doing the second kick.
How viable of an option of this at close quarters? It's fast, it can reliably get the opponent away from me as opposed to the Jab combo it has fairly decent knockback if only to get the opponent out of my face, it does 14-11% most of the time, I just think it's reliable. Or would Dash Attack and grabs be more reliable options?
How viable of an option of this at close quarters? It's fast, it can reliably get the opponent away from me as opposed to the Jab combo it has fairly decent knockback if only to get the opponent out of my face, it does 14-11% most of the time, I just think it's reliable. Or would Dash Attack and grabs be more reliable options?
infomon
Smash Scientist
Are you really talking about Sonic's Utilt? its ending lag is terribly punishable, and its horizontal range is dismal. It's good for anti-air e.g. against a low-flying peach, but in general I find that our jab combo (if it finishes) does enough knockback that it's worthwhile as a gtfo and it will hit more reliably (frame 3 vs. frame 6), and isn't really as punishable.
*shrug* yeah, my vote's dash-attack and jab, though utilt has its place. Try not to do anything by auto-pilot
Don't U tilt unless you're sure it's going to hit, or you're getting punished.
I've noticed Sonics have been doing jab 1, then running away. Any specific reason for it? My guess is that you don't think it'll link, and you'll get punished.
I've noticed Sonics have been doing jab 1, then running away. Any specific reason for it? My guess is that you don't think it'll link, and you'll get punished.
That's just to throw people off. Usually a jab1 is followed with either the full jab combo or a delayed tilt or grab. Running away is something unexpected and throw off their chain of thought/prediction.
If you foxtrot away, it can be enough to get them to shield (holding shield as a response to a jab combo) and unshield, and in that time, you might be able to DDP and come back in with another attack while they're like "huh, he didn't continue the atta- fuu"
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
theres no time where you could dash grab where you couldnt dash shield grab, but sometimes its a timing issue, where you want to delay the grab just a tiny bit to grab somebody as their falling or w/e. but for the most part you guys got it right.
and yika, I want vids or ur sonic.
and yika, I want vids or ur sonic.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
If you're good with foxtrots and spindash cancel mindgames, you can foxtrot in to grab in certain situations. Not only can it really help out depending on when it's used, it looks ****ing muhsoce level flashy when done right lmao.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
my Sonic is a beginner Sonic that toally sucks ._. I don't have the follow-ups down yet up upair OoS is broken as hell
up air is ok, but its nothing SUPER amazing... I mean, everybody can jump out of shield and....
oh...
right...
Lol!
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
doenst hit small characters tho. and it doesnt have much combo ability and doesnt do much damage.
its hits people in a lot of situations, but you cant do anything with it. shieldgrab and drop shield turnaround grab are FAR better options.
OH!
dash grab is good out of shield when people hit you with laggy attacks that are strong and push you away, or have a lot of range. like ddds f tilt, and mks down smash.
its hits people in a lot of situations, but you cant do anything with it. shieldgrab and drop shield turnaround grab are FAR better options.
OH!
dash grab is good out of shield when people hit you with laggy attacks that are strong and push you away, or have a lot of range. like ddds f tilt, and mks down smash.
uair OoS hits every char as long as their not crouching.
It's Sonics fastest OoS Option beside Grab with a really good range.
Shield Drop Turnarround Grab is 13 frames "fast" and has less range.
and why no combo ability? it lunches the opponent in the air, thats a good thing
It's Sonics fastest OoS Option beside Grab with a really good range.
Shield Drop Turnarround Grab is 13 frames "fast" and has less range.
and why no combo ability? it lunches the opponent in the air, thats a good thing
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
are you completely sure up air oos hits pikachu and squirtle? and its very very hard to hit mk with, and a lot of the time even if you do hit him, it hits with the tipper hit that doesnt combo into the second hit.
grab range isnt a huge issue since running speed makes up for it. and also, grab is always a better punish because it does way more damage, and actually sets up for other moves.
a lot of the time it knocks them too far into the air t pressure them further, not to mention a good number of characters (falco, mk, peach, marth,) beat sonic in the air out right so putting them in the air isnt an amazing position.
grab range isnt a huge issue since running speed makes up for it. and also, grab is always a better punish because it does way more damage, and actually sets up for other moves.
a lot of the time it knocks them too far into the air t pressure them further, not to mention a good number of characters (falco, mk, peach, marth,) beat sonic in the air out right so putting them in the air isnt an amazing position.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
its his FASTEST punish, but at the same time its his least effective one.
grab is his medium speed punish but it does great damage and sets up for a lot of sonic game.
spindash is a VERY under used and slow punish but like grab, it does great daamge and sets up for other things.
smash attacks are his slowest punish but are also the best for when you need kills.
grab is his medium speed punish but it does great damage and sets up for a lot of sonic game.
spindash is a VERY under used and slow punish but like grab, it does great daamge and sets up for other things.
smash attacks are his slowest punish but are also the best for when you need kills.
Chis
Finally a legend
What is the fastest way to pummel?
How many pummels are usually recommended at low, medium and high percentages?
How many pummels are usually recommended at low, medium and high percentages?
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
a medium speed established rhythem
0-15 none
15-65 1-2
65-120 2-4
but its also dependant o how fast the opponent mashes.
0-15 none
15-65 1-2
65-120 2-4
but its also dependant o how fast the opponent mashes.
if you're playing offline, just figure out around when you can buffer the grab attack in training mode. It's usually around when his foot is retracting, I think?
All things considered, buffering is the fastest way to get attacks out in Brawl lol.
All things considered, buffering is the fastest way to get attacks out in Brawl lol.
If spindash damage is determined by how fast you are going, that means weaker attacks can beat iSDR right? So if I do an iSDR that isn't moving at all and doesn't have a hitbox, does that mean anything can beat it or that nothing can beat it?