HyL!
Smash Lord
actually nevermind, but there's still way better options for fighting marth
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Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
Luigi is my second
Luigi is my secondary, too. I use ROB against Marth, it is my main. My biggest problems are Meta Knight and King Dedede.
And I think Luigi isn't so tournament viable used alone. If you have a good secondary, things turn much better, obviously.
And I think Luigi isn't so tournament viable used alone. If you have a good secondary, things turn much better, obviously.
HyL!
Smash Lord
i secondary a ton of people, i use mk/rob for marth, ice climbers for mk, if you cp fd or whatever, but if that doesn't work i usually have an easy time with meta's with g&w
luke_atyeo
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this is true
Rising-Tide
Smash Apprentice
i've got nothin else lol. and i will never use mk... ever.
HyL!
Smash Lord
snake d3 and rob are good choices for marth matchup aswell
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
and DK too
oolmonke
HyL!
Smash Lord
oh yeah, dk is suppose to be even with marth
HyL!
Smash Lord
yeah, i prefer rob over mk for marth, unless rob loses D:
kigbariom
Smash Lord
If anyone has a second, can you link me to the buffering guide, or any other guides you find useful, I'll put the gist of them in the OP.
Thanks.
Thanks.
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
Guys, it is me or wi-fi...
Some ppl says my Luigi is slow but it's smart cuz I know Luigi's match-ups, his neutral stages, and counter-pick stages. Of course, I read the guide and I know how to buffer his moves quickly like "D-air to fast-fall airdodge" or "F-air to fast-fall airdodge" cuz I watched Boss, but I don't get it, I dunno what 2 do make my Luigi faster. I have a very gud connection w/ players around the states, ex. CA, NY, FL, GA, LA, NJ and MI. I know offline matters, that's why I'm going to tournies after I graduate outta high school.
Some ppl says my Luigi is slow but it's smart cuz I know Luigi's match-ups, his neutral stages, and counter-pick stages. Of course, I read the guide and I know how to buffer his moves quickly like "D-air to fast-fall airdodge" or "F-air to fast-fall airdodge" cuz I watched Boss, but I don't get it, I dunno what 2 do make my Luigi faster. I have a very gud connection w/ players around the states, ex. CA, NY, FL, GA, LA, NJ and MI. I know offline matters, that's why I'm going to tournies after I graduate outta high school.
HyL!
Smash Lord
i can't stand luigi on wifi, everything i do seems to mess up, and get me killed, like fireballs turning into the side b move, all that jazz, it might be wifi, i can't even seem to do D air FF airdodge on wifi. even in a good connection. i only use luigi offline now D: which is a lot better for him imo
Braxton2011
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Can someone tell me how to fight Olimar, Diddy, MK, and possibly D3 as Luigi? Oli and Diddy because that's why I'm going to use them. MK and D3 because I know someone will switch to those characters.
I'm a nub Luigi who knows most of Luigi's moveset. I'm getting tired of losing to Diddy and Oli.
I'm a nub Luigi who knows most of Luigi's moveset. I'm getting tired of losing to Diddy and Oli.
yoshq
Smash Master
braxton? that braxton?Can someone tell me how to fight Olimar, Diddy, MK, and possibly D3 as Luigi? Oli and Diddy because that's why I'm going to use them. MK and D3 because I know someone will switch to those characters.
I'm a nub Luigi who knows most of Luigi's moveset. I'm getting tired of losing to Diddy and Oli.
Braxton2011
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Yes, that Braxton. The one you know. Nice to see you, sir.
yoshq
Smash Master
yo, good to see some korlash on the boards. i might reply to your post later
Me too, I'm stuck with local stuff as well atm. I think I fought you on Wifi, but you didn't seem slow to me.
From YoshQ's response I must be 'supposed to know who you are, but I don't lol.Can someone tell me how to fight Olimar, Diddy, MK, and possibly D3 as Luigi? Oli and Diddy because that's why I'm going to use them. MK and D3 because I know someone will switch to those characters.
I'm a nub Luigi who knows most of Luigi's moveset. I'm getting tired of losing to Diddy and Oli.
Anywho the Oli matchup can be summed up as Bair > Olimar. I kid of course but the key to this match is the fact that Oli can't attack you diagonally from the ground (where he would love to stay). As long as you can successfully space aerials into this dead zone where his only real option is either grounded UpB or go airborne (with the exception of shield of course) you can stay a step ahead of Oli for most of the match. It takes a little spacing practice of course but it's not too difficult to get a feel for it.
In the air Oli can't do a whole lot to beat you, though in most cases I would wager an Oli main wouldn't opt to go airborne on purpose. If they make this mistake punish them hard, and do your best to drive them offstage.
If they start some hard camping, or you're having difficulty getting past a pikmin wall a grounded DownB will work wonders. It murders pikmin, covers ground, and best of all pops Oli into the air with the last hit letting you start an aerial string.
Lastly for some reason Oli's hitstun animation makes him the perfect target for Jab->UpB, its pretty much a true combo unless you mis space the jab on a gargantuan level. Master SHADing into his dead zone and getting a jab in and he basically teleports to your fiery fist of justice (which kills him hilariously early I might add, before 40% on most stages).
Thats the basics of the lolimar MU I think, though some more experienced Luigi *coughYoshQcough* might correct me later. Then again on second thought this is the Luigi boards, you were lucky to even get one response. XD
I don't have much Diddy experience, but I think he suffers from roughly the same problems as far as dealing with your ability to float aerials over his banana game. You'll have to refer to someone else for more details on that one. Good luck.
P.S. hilariously when I ran the spell check the suggestion for replacing "coughYoshQcough* was "fishcake".
Vs Diddy, just don't get killed and you should win.
I mean, chances are you'll get KOed some day, like any human player would. But my point is that if you keep focusing about not getting into a situation where Diddy could smash you, you'll live up to 180 on each stock while you kill Diddy at 80 and can edgeguard him like a mofo.
Also, if you ever get the chance to steal a banana, do not waste it. Keep it until you notice an opening in Diddy's defense, and followup. Bananas aren't approach tools, they are punishing tools that lead into combos. If you throw it, even if you think you're being smart, the Diddy will 90% of the time read you because he's used to it.
vs Oli, I have no ****ing clue.
I mean, chances are you'll get KOed some day, like any human player would. But my point is that if you keep focusing about not getting into a situation where Diddy could smash you, you'll live up to 180 on each stock while you kill Diddy at 80 and can edgeguard him like a mofo.
Also, if you ever get the chance to steal a banana, do not waste it. Keep it until you notice an opening in Diddy's defense, and followup. Bananas aren't approach tools, they are punishing tools that lead into combos. If you throw it, even if you think you're being smart, the Diddy will 90% of the time read you because he's used to it.
vs Oli, I have no ****ing clue.
yoshq
Smash Master
lol that made me lol jdietz.
I'll just do the oli matchup because how j described it would be not at all how i would.
his pivot grab is the only thing you need to worry about in this mu. get inside and **** otherwise. to approach, it's pretty easy, just watch out for random fairs and pivot grabs. your nair goes through everything except his uair and upb, including usmash and fair. to approach, usually just do dair nair then buffer a jab, because if he's shield grabbing then the jab will hit before his grab comes out. remember for his grab, the pikmin has to run out and touch you for it to land; it's slow. if you get inside, have fun, and remember, when he's being juggled, he will either nair>some move, which you can nair right after his nair in this case, so spam A. if he air dodges, have fun. jab upb is guranteed once you land the jab, just make sure you are properly spaced to hit it. if you land a grab near the edge, always throw hiim off to make him nervous, and he will most likely save his jump until you get next to him, then jump and fair/uair. if you can hit him before this, use tornado or fair, and grab the edge if he's out of jumps. oh and one last thing, if he's just spammnig pivot grab, do not nado, instead just walk up and fireball. when you do this, he will do his side b. for that, do w/e you want, and i personally think fair>fireball is good against it.
I'll just do the oli matchup because how j described it would be not at all how i would.
his pivot grab is the only thing you need to worry about in this mu. get inside and **** otherwise. to approach, it's pretty easy, just watch out for random fairs and pivot grabs. your nair goes through everything except his uair and upb, including usmash and fair. to approach, usually just do dair nair then buffer a jab, because if he's shield grabbing then the jab will hit before his grab comes out. remember for his grab, the pikmin has to run out and touch you for it to land; it's slow. if you get inside, have fun, and remember, when he's being juggled, he will either nair>some move, which you can nair right after his nair in this case, so spam A. if he air dodges, have fun. jab upb is guranteed once you land the jab, just make sure you are properly spaced to hit it. if you land a grab near the edge, always throw hiim off to make him nervous, and he will most likely save his jump until you get next to him, then jump and fair/uair. if you can hit him before this, use tornado or fair, and grab the edge if he's out of jumps. oh and one last thing, if he's just spammnig pivot grab, do not nado, instead just walk up and fireball. when you do this, he will do his side b. for that, do w/e you want, and i personally think fair>fireball is good against it.
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Are there any hitbox/bubble pictures of Luig's Nair?
I cant find any thread D:
I cant find any thread D:
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9256056 This thread here has all the pics. Scroll down a little to find them. The hitboxes where the bones change grow and shrink are not accurate.
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Thanx, appreciate it ^^
I don't think there is.. someone should make one.
yoshq
Smash Master
there was but the guy stopped
BigLøu
Smash Lord
Hmm, best stages is generally what's preferable for the player, but I think that his best ones are bf, lylat, and halberd.
Worse ones would be like fd, or actually any level in general where he's vulnerable to heavy camping.
Worse ones would be like fd, or actually any level in general where he's vulnerable to heavy camping.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
IMO, it's Halberd.
Got 2 stocked by Biglou there, I should know.
Got 2 stocked by Biglou there, I should know.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
Biglou can 2 stock anybody anywhere, he is that good. o.O
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
I made the Luigi finder thread, can u guys keep it sticky? Btw thx YoshQ, I read wut u said about the Luigi vs Oli MU, ugh F**K Oli, i rather play snake all day than a d**n oli any day.
AxelPurpleMissle
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Lmao yup, olis are annoying...
Rising-Tide
Smash Apprentice
nah yoshq is right its a pretty lol matchup
Grizzer
Smash Journeyman
could someone tell me what follow-ups are guaranteed after a dtilt? be it a trip, normal hit, or the kind where they pop up a little in the air.
couldnt really find it anywere, thx in advance
couldnt really find it anywere, thx in advance
HyL!
Smash Lord
i dunno about anyone else, but i find icies a great secondary for luigi D:
Grizzer
Smash Journeyman
nobody? really?
BigLøu
Smash Lord
Unless the dtilt trips, I do not think really you can have any follow-ups after.
If it trips, well u have quite a few options such as hitting with an addition jab and causing mix-ups from the jab.
Hell, I think you can even fire punch them if they trip close enough to you.
If it trips, well u have quite a few options such as hitting with an addition jab and causing mix-ups from the jab.
Hell, I think you can even fire punch them if they trip close enough to you.