Official MBR Tier List

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

he's totally trolling you man. what if falco runs up and down her sheild she can grab(predictable due lack of options and limited time to act) or sit and wait for her sheild to break. she cna't stay in her sheild also what about d-tilt I would think that would sheild stab.

if you say sheild Di the human fingers wouldn't be able to react that way.

 

[Mew2King]

puff
falco/fox
sheik
marth
peach
falcon
ics
doc
ganon

top 10 in order

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

The great unbiased M2k has spoken

so shall it be

 

[Vts]

puff
falco/fox
sheik
marth
peach
falcon
ics
doc
ganon

top 10 in order

hmmm

guessing samus right below ganon?

this looks pretty much the way i would put it but still not sure about doc above ganon.

my list is
-Broken tier/Champions tier-
Puff/Fox
Falco
-Amazing tier-
Sheik
Marth
-Great Tier-
Peach
Falcon
ICs
-Good/ok tier -
Ganon
Doc/Samus/Dk (not to sure how to list these 3 very strong but gimpable characters).

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

looks great m2k people will no matter what debate the puff factor to no end. tell you what i'm going to side with m2k this on puff. F*** it someone go and **** H-box right now stop mango and H-box from getting there placing at Apex OK? you can debate but they are the best at this game, however another fact that is easily pointed out is puff unbalnced punishment game.

she egde gaurd, rest and junk lets simply say it's equal with falcon's or fox's punishment les just play pretend for a minute here. fox takes one hit and gets ***** same for all top tiers and many high tiers are easily ***** but f***ing up.

puff takes like 20% from a good combo sometimes? can't really be edge gaurded or anything that straight up f***s her s*** up H-box and laugh at fox laser camping he knows what's up. fox on Ps with massive gayness ***** at high levels not as much as it used it back in 2006. people should know how to SDI fox's upair easily moreso puff please best di in the game and a small hitbox.

puff cuts away your options with a weed wacker you can't dash attack, approach, hit her sheild with a smash and etc. with dieing. fox and most people can't get a kill off of puff f***ing up rest at uber low percents(pichu 25% any stage=death on puff just saying).

there is no punishmnet balance unlike for fox.

hey M2k if I ever play you again i'll play you to teach me pichu vs marth/sheik/fox/puff I think I understand marth because they all are same s*** you LOL. Also I love pichu vs puff my favorite match-up since noob foxes.

 

[rpgfighter]

Take my input with a grain of salt but from what I have been seeing...

Jiggs should at least be above Falco. Jiggs has been doing a lot of good things lately...

Doc imo is the best of Mid tier. Hes just seems to have higher priority then Samus. At least I think.

 

[hungrybox]

puff
falco/fox
sheik
marth
peach
falcon
ics
doc
ganon

top 10 in order

puff on top

are you serious

 

[hungrybox]

Jiggs >> Falco

Good Jiggs = Good Falco

 

[KAOSTAR]

I just stopped reading after I saw the comment about platforms impairing Samus. Now I'm just going to say. What have you been smoking? If anything platforms help Samus in every way possible. Again. Samus doesn't need to approach in this matchup.

Falco's grab is pretty predictable. If you try to grab it'll probably already be stopped by screw attack.

Also the missiles may be easily broke but when they;re overwhelming you in pairs what are you going to do?

Samus is the easiest character to PS Falco's lasers with. Even if you block the laser that's less damage on me and more frustration on you.

Also I'm going to conclude that ya'll have never played against a good Samus player. I'm not giving up on the argument. I'm just going stop arguing the same points over and over again. Because obviously people don't get it.

falco has the upper hand. up b oos is good but can be baited and punished.

falco can just laser until samus commits to something and punish.

any poorly spaced aerial gets you shined, but samus having a ****ty shield grab gives falco more room to pressure. it also makes it easier to bait the up b.

 

[MarsFool!]

I just stopped reading after I saw the comment about platforms impairing Samus. Now I'm just going to say. What have you been smoking? If anything platforms help Samus in every way possible. Again. Samus doesn't need to approach in this matchup.

Falco's grab is pretty predictable. If you try to grab it'll probably already be stopped by screw attack.

Also the missiles may be easily broke but when they;re overwhelming you in pairs what are you going to do?

Samus is the easiest character to PS Falco's lasers with. Even if you block the laser that's less damage on me and more frustration on you.

Also I'm going to conclude that ya'll have never played against a good Samus player. I'm not giving up on the argument. I'm just going stop arguing the same points over and over again. Because obviously people don't get it.

maybe youve never played a good falco. xD

You dont get it.

Samus is slower than falco.

falco controls platforms better. Falco spams better.

Falco controls himself in the air better.

Samus has to move or shield to not get lasered but either way falco controls 7/10 of the match spamwise.

Enough about power shielding lol. Its not that good since a lot of falcos laser then immediately shield in case of a power shielded laser flying back at him.

Someone already said its pretty much a non factor to sg falco, like....ever. Hes not coming to you even at losing % because his spam is THAT good.

2 missiles means nothing without platforms. Even with platforms, its still falco with his incredibly fast lasering.

@hbox: risk vs reward chart on falco vs jiggs right now please :D

 

[resTy]

Rhan, you're my boy and everything. I love you like a brother.
That said, Falco completely decimates Samus.
Character vs. character not player vs. player :')

 

[rhan]

I still disagree but whatever.

 

[Winston]

For what it's worth, Hugs thinks Samus > Falco.

Like, to say that Samus destroys Falco is probably pushing it, but to say Samus has the advantage is perfectly reasonable.

 

[X1-12]

from the falco boards

need help with a very defensive samus match-up. Any tips? Like how do i avoid missles but still attack

you shoot her and don't attack. samus is boring, but if you don't just sit back and shoot her, you'll lose vs. her broken *** defensive game, so just shoot her

a lot


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[Merkuri]

Are we supposed to like recommend people for the backroom? If so then put Lucien on MBR, he's an amazing player and has been dominating norcal lately.

 

[Ripple]

unrivaled tier

Fox
Falco

God tier

Puff
Sheik
Marth

Top

Peach
ICs
Falcon
Samus
Ganon
Doc

Mid

luigi
pikachu
DK
Mario
Link
Zelda
Y.link

Low

Roy
Yoshi
Mewtwo
G&W
ness
bowser
pichu
kirby

 

[S l o X]

lol unrivaled
last "international" looked like: puff / puff / sheik / peach / fox (marth sheik)

anyways, posted this in another thread and would like to see if i'm a complete moron:

Jiggs > Sheik

Sheik's only top tier because of her ability to gimp / chain grab everyone. (Obviously other reasons but these are the reasons she's considered top 3 by some) When you take away those, she just isn't as amazing. Plus, her recovery? Watch Amsah vs Hungrybox, haha. I mean, Sheik's can just run around and needle but it won't work against a semi-smart Jiggs. You need to space bairs and if you aren't (even if you are, get @ being smart) your done. Go for a grab, chances are you just lost a stock. Sheik can't punish NEARLY as hard as Jiggs in this matchup.

Unless everything I said in this post is completely wrong, if so I'm definitely fine with getting educated (:

 

[Merkuri]

I think you're totally right. But I'd say it's a bit more like Jiggs >> Sheik rather than Sheik > Jiggs.

 

[edgeluca]

God Tier
Fox
Falco
Top Tier
Jigglypuff
Sheik
Marth
High Tier
Peach
Captain Falcon
Samus
Ice Climbers
Ganon
Mid Tier
Doc
Luigi
DK
Mario
Pikachu
Link
Young Link
Low Tier
Zelda
G&W
Mewtwo
Roy
Yoshi
Ness
Bowser
Bottom Tier
Kirby
Pichu

 

[hungrybox]

KK's list is the best

 

[Strong Badam]

ripple sucks because he's quitting melee and becoming a brawlrus
WHY THE **** WOULD YOU DO THAT

 

[x After Dawn x]

samus is too high there, and ness ain't better than bowser

 

[Blistering Speed]

KK's list is the best.

Except Fox should always be over Falco. Fox is pretty much better at everything, it's just that Mango started playing him and everyone thought wowee another top of the top character that Mango just happens to play.

 

[MDU]

I dunno, Falco has a better B attack, Down B is debatable, Falco has a better down tilt, better down air, better Bair. I think the characters are too different to same one outclasses the other.

 

[MarsFool!]

Hey guys

Roy is better than marth.

 

[Blistering Speed]

I dunno, Falco has a better B attack, Down B is debatable, Falco has a better down tilt, better down air, better Bair. I think the characters are too different to same one outclasses the other.

This is NOT how you compare characters. By better at everything, I'm talking about key aspects of gameplay. Shield pressure is debatable because Falco tends to get better punishment off the hit and can react better when he gets through i.e. can continue a combo, Fox tends to get the solitary hit and then has to follow, but this is probably balanced by the fact that Fox's shield pressure itself is better.

 

[x After Dawn x]

yeah don't compare them that way, mdu

you're right about the mango thing, i think every fox / falco main knows this already

p.s. falco does not decimate samus, that's so wrong

 

[Merkuri]

KK's list is the best.

Except Fox should always be over Falco. Fox is pretty much better at everything, it's just that Mango started playing him and everyone thought wowee another top of the top character that Mango just happens to play.

Absolutely ******** Falco is better than Fox. The out-dated metagame of Fox having the edge on Falco is gone. The majority of pros agree with it, you find that it's the lesser knownn players who still thinks Fox is better than Falco. The new tier list will reflect what I'm saying, wait for it then.

and btw fox does not have a better shield pressure than Fox(where did you get that idea) frame wise or or what he can do with it afterwards.

 

[x After Dawn x]

maybe he meant fox has better options to avoid shield pressure, which is 100 % true

 

[KAOSTAR]

Absolutely ******** Falco is better than Fox. The out-dated metagame of Fox having the edge on Falco is gone. The majority of pros agree with it, you find that it's the lesser knownn players who still thinks Fox is better than Falco. The new tier list will reflect what I'm saying, wait for it then.

and btw fox does not have a better shield pressure than Fox(where did you get that idea) frame wise or or what he can do with it afterwards.

^^^which pro's out of how many or this argument is ********?

I just think falco is easier to play. fox just gets off. its close but id say fox is better.

better speed, grab game, kill move setups, kill moves, recovery, imo more room for being unique.

falco has auto combos but fox can combo just as well its just harder.

I would argue fox has a better approach while falco has a better projectile.

kk says falco has a better shine which is arguably true but imo they are both god tier moves.

about shield pressure: they both ****, I just think its easier to do with falco.

 

[Deleted member]

God Tier
Fox
Falco
Top Tier
Jigglypuff
Sheik
Marth
High Tier
Peach
Captain Falcon
Samus
Ice Climbers
Ganon
Mid Tier
Doc
Luigi
DK
Mario
Pikachu
Link
Young Link
Low Tier
Zelda
G&W
Mewtwo
Roy
Yoshi
Ness
Bowser
Bottom Tier
Kirby
Pichu

Actually, this is pretty good. I dislike a few placements personally, but I see why you put them where you did.

 

[L/A/W]

absolutely ******** falco is better than fox. The out-dated metagame of fox having the edge on falco is gone. The majority of pros agree with it, you find that it's the lesser knownn players who still thinks fox is better than falco. The new tier list will reflect what i'm saying, wait for it then.

and btw fox does not have a better shield pressure than fox(where did you get that idea) frame wise or or what he can do with it afterwards.

o rly?!?!!?!?

 

[KAOSTAR]

lol m2's placement is accurate. I do think bowser is a tad low. and ness should be garb tier

the order of mid tier is hardest to do right now, 2nd the low/bottom.

pretty colors too. I like fox/falco in a tier better than marth alone.

 

[Merkuri]

^^^which pro's out of how many or this argument is ********?

I just think falco is easier to play. fox just gets off. its close but id say fox is better.

better speed, grab game, kill move setups, kill moves, recovery, imo more room for being unique.

falco has auto combos but fox can combo just as well its just harder.

I would argue fox has a better approach while falco has a better projectile.

kk says falco has a better shine which is arguably true but imo they are both god tier moves.

about shield pressure: they both ****, I just think its easier to do with falco.

Off the top of my head remember specifically M2k, Shroomed and Forward. It's something I've seen time and time again but it's not like I've been recording the names.

Fox has a lot of advantages but they're minor compare to the advantages Falco has. Much better comboing(much much better); a true spike, better lasers, better approach, etc. For argument's sake I'm gonna simplify things but Fox's speed isn't that big a deal because Falco's lasers shut down his opponent's mobility so his opponent is slower.

Falco has better setups for his kill moves because his shine, dair and utilt all lead into them after a **** combo. Shining off the top also > anything Fox has on stages like YS or RC, and more importantly falco can get his opponent to kill percent way easier than Fox. Really the only significant advantages Fox has on Falco is recovery and that isn't that important because once a spacy is off the stage you shouldn't be letting them come back.

Edit: Lol you say Fox has a better approach. What can Fox approach with that can possibly compete with Falco's dair?

 

[undyinglight]

Jiggs and Peach will rise!

 

[Ripple]

Off the top of my head remember specifically M2k, Shroomed and Forward. It's something I've seen time and time again but it's not like I've been recording the names.

m2k's opinion is not reliable.....at all

Fox has a lot of advantages but they're minor compare to the advantages Falco has. Much better comboing(much much better); a true spike, better lasers, better approach, etc. For argument's sake I'm gonna simplify things but Fox's speed isn't that big a deal because Falco's lasers shut down his opponent's mobility so his opponent is slower.

1. Falco combos better at low %. Don't just shrug off that fox's shine leads into anything he wants.

2. falco has many better aspects when comparing moves to fox. the same could be said in reverse. fox has better up-smash, up-air, shield pressure, throws, defense, arguably shine.

3. Fox's speed is one of his best attributes. it lets him fallow up tech chases with ease and completely overwhelm his opponent once he gets in. you can't say fox's speed isn't a big deal.

Falco has better setups for his kill moves because his shine, dair and utilt all lead into them after a **** combo. Shining off the top also > anything Fox has on stages like YS or RC, and more importantly falco can get his opponent to kill percent way easier than Fox. Really the only significant advantages Fox has on Falco is recovery and that isn't that important because once a spacy is off the stage you shouldn't be letting them come back.

even if falco has better set ups for kills (which I don't think he does) fox has two of the best vertical kill moves in the game. up smash which kills marth at like 90% on FD. and up air which depending on where you hit them can kill as early as 65%. kill % is also different with every character. falco's kill % is much higher on average than fox's. falco may get damage on them faster but by the time falco has them at like 100% or more then fox will have them at 70%.

and why are you even stating that falco's shine beats fox's up air/up smash on YS and RC? if anything, that hurts your argument because on every other stage fox has something better than falco would have.

Edit: Lol you say Fox has a better approach. What can Fox approach with that can possibly compete with Falco's dair?

DDing and nair. and then fox's better shield pressure takes effect

 

[Kyu Puff]

Actually, this is pretty good. I dislike a few placements personally, but I see why you put them where you did.

How could you possibly justify Samus being above ICs?

 

[KirbyKaze]

My list is still 100% accurate. Stop challenging it, stop questioning it, it's just correct.

 

[x After Dawn x]

ripple you realize fox can chaingrab falco but not the other way around? you also realize fox has thunder's combo to sh uair to uptilt to grab which leads into more stuff? you realize fox has a grab game and falco relies on bad DI'd throws from his opponents? you realize fox can string uairs at low percents on characters like marth when falco can't?

not saying falco doesn't have good combos at lower percents, he most definitely does but i'm just pointing out that fox does too in ways different from falco. mostly same moveset =/= same combos, thought this was obvious a while ago

edit: kk where's your list?

dobble edit:

Absolutely ******** Falco is better than Fox. The out-dated metagame of Fox having the edge on Falco is gone. The majority of pros agree with it, you find that it's the lesser knownn players who still thinks Fox is better than Falco. The new tier list will reflect what I'm saying, wait for it then.

and btw fox does not have a better shield pressure than Fox(where did you get that idea) frame wise or or what he can do with it afterwards.

where are you pulling this information from? "majority of pros?" last time i checked, the "pros" thought fox had an edge on falco or they were roughly even, and i haven't heard of any "pro" state that falco is solidly better than fox. and since when do the "lesser known players" only think that fox is better?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Unsupported_attributions

 

[Ripple]

ripple you realize fox can chaingrab falco but not the other way around? you also realize fox has thunder's combo to sh uair to uptilt to grab which leads into more stuff? you realize fox has a grab game and falco relies on bad DI'd throws from his opponents? you realize fox can string uairs at low percents on characters like marth when falco can't?

not saying falco doesn't have good combos at lower percents, he most definitely does but i'm just pointing out that fox does too in ways different from falco. mostly same moveset =/= same combos, thought this was obvious a while ago

I believe you misread me.

its not the fox vs. falco match up. its whos better overall.

I did realize that fox has all those things. its merkuri who did not mention them or just shrugged them off as not important or not a big deal.

you are agreeing with me. we said the same thing