Lovely
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I'm like, the only Kirby that isn't a stoner.
Although I do like that idea.




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I'm like, the only Kirby that isn't a stoner.
Although I do like that idea.
Lovely, I'll link to the past matchup threads. However, I wanted to discuss m2k next because of the confusion (some say it's about even, some say 65-35 him).
To be fair, very few of us have good Sonic experience. Also, if you look at our last matchup thread, you'll notice it was all about what moves beat what, not what will actually happen in a match.Oh em gee
well its good to see that this is true... but i never thought it would extend to high tier characters suddenly deciding a matchup goes from 60:40 their favour to a Sonic advantage >_< Sonic hasnt changed a single bit, just a number next to his name lol, I sure hope that didnt affect peoples decisions.
I totally dont agree with a Sonic advantage btw lol
I'd like to say this. Can someone please give me a good explanation for this:
Kirby vs Ice Climbers.
Lovely... why did you bring Diddy to arguably his best stage? WHY?
Those are all also good Sonic cps, except for say Delfino (that's just personal prefernce) but Halberd increases the chances of Sonic getting vertical kills very greatly, along with kills in general.It's probably 55:45 kirby.
Kirby seems to have better counterpick stages that can benefit him like maybe brinstar, halberd, or delfino?
Kirby also has better strings than sonic. While sonic can escape quickly, kirby can still rack up damage pretty quickly.
I actually think that platforms make it easier for Sonic since he beats Kirby in the air, platforms would just help. Kirby is good because of his air game generally, and since Sonic beats him there, it gives Sonic that much of an advantage. I also said that Kirby does generally kill better than Kirby, and he's still a good damage racker, but it's going to be mad hard for Kirby to gain stage conrol...Also, kirby kills easier than sonic, especially on stages like BF or delfino where there's a high platform.
Sonic beats out Kirby with momentum canceling, but Sonic will have no problem racking up damage and saving the Fsmash/Dsmash, but yes. Kirby still has an easier time killing. Bair won't kill.Kirby's hammer also kills sonic quite early, and Kirby's f-smash has AMAZING range along with very good power. Sonic, meanwhile, has to rely on bair, f-smash, or d-smash. while bair and f-smash are disjointed, they also have some start-up lag, and cannot always reliably kill, especially with momentum canceling.
Speaking of which, I do believe sonic has a better momentum cancel than kirby, but both are good.
Nah, just DI away from the bair to avoid followup...And while recovering to the stage, Kirby can WoP right? Well, that could help rack up damage sometimes against sonic, but there won't be any gimps.
Kirby's UpB is average, it makes it a little difficult to gimp, but not all intimidating.Both characters have really good recoveries, and if kirby recovers high, there's only so much sonic can do without putting himself at risk. =/
Agreed.However, sonic does have the upper hand in mindgame potential to me.
For example, if neither side decides to approach, sonic has much more options to try and bait than kirby, with his spin cancels and dash dancing and stuff. Then, upon said approach, I find that sonic can punish a lot easier than kirby due to his speed, but kirby can often times punish harder as sonic's moves do tend to have a bit of lag if done incorrectly. Ex. SHDAIR!
I'm still feelin' 55:45 Sonic, or 50:50.Overall, pretty even, but 55:45-60:40 kirby. Somewhere in there. =/
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I thought you said yourself you weren't playing the best in these videos? maybe it was someone else. Does anyone know of any other videos with good sonics in them.thank you cam for explaining this i was about to go on a rant again hahaha
if you dont believe the 55:45 sonic ratio
heres some videos so you can see for yourself how much of a uphill battle it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gid0FZYxwZ0 match 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpiO9H3AmYk match 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KaEdRJm4A match 3
tell me what you would do differently
Can we both just say even? lol
I just watched the 1st video, so...yea.thank you cam for explaining this i was about to go on a rant again hahaha
if you dont believe the 55:45 sonic ratio
heres some videos so you can see for yourself how much of a uphill battle it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gid0FZYxwZ0 match 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpiO9H3AmYk match 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KaEdRJm4A match 3
tell me what you would do differently
lol, Kirbycides work on Straked far too often. I normally lose, yes, but they work. Recently, I Kirycide less and less, since Straked hates 'em.Haha, I got a Pika player like that yesterday. He fell for an inhale footstool, then a Kirbicide the next stock.
But yeah, for Diddy, don't bring him to FD or LM.
I got something almost exactly the same as 1:41 in this vid in a ladder match vs a pika and won (I had 2 stocks, he had 1). Also, I have found what may be the funniest vid ever: kirby right back at ya intro. In German.Haha, I got a Pika player like that yesterday. He fell for an inhale footstool, then a Kirbicide the next stock.
Then I take back about discussing mk. I'd like to have the discussion fine-tuned (duh, I want all matchup discussions like that), but that can wait if we're agreed on the same ratio.Nah, it's a few Kirby mains who can't deal with MK who said that. MK's agreed on the 45-55 ratio before we did.
Wait, they have it as 45-55 Meta Knight, never mind, I change my vote. I'll vote Zelda as well.
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*coughs repeatedly*i count as two votes XD
WHAT?! no way! he can't be serious! i know meta's broken and gay as hell, but that matchup is not 60-40. kirby has some things that help him hold his own against meta, but i'll wait until the next character is decided to discuss that paticular matter. still, its sounds ridiculous...☆ I think that was T!mmy that said that. Thought I don't know why he said that. I'll vote Meta Knight as well. ☆
☆ Sorces. =/ ☆WHAT?! no way! he can't be serious! i know meta's broken and gay as hell, but that matchup is not 60-40. kirby has some things that help him hold his own against meta, but i'll wait until the next character is decided to discuss that paticular matter. still, its sounds ridiculous...
See? That's why I suck at MU's. Some people say it's about character's movesets, others say it's about player skills, and a select few point out to the in-between. And everytime I type something, I'm wrong and get corrected in the sense that "You must be CRAZY! You obviously have no idea how this works, blah blah blah MU's aren't like that"
then i'm more convinced to discuss meta knight. and i think maybe t!mmy may be givivng meta too much credit, but thats just my opinion. man, no wonder i hate this game...