Official E for All Firsthand Impressions DISCUSSION Thread

[Zauron]

Its the same except that you can't do it with the Wii-mote control scheme.

 

[TheCatPhysician]

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you keep missing the same thing. You're in the air VISUALLY. This has absolutely nothing to do with the game logic. The game logic, however, sees what's happening after what is happening visually. The graphics are the very last thing to be processed in the engine, and thusly, it'll be the last thing that shows everything I'm talking about. In the game logic, iot already sees isLanding and is preparing the graphics logic to show this visually. It hasn't happened yet.

no. look, you can go in debug mode and perform this literally frame-by-frame at your own speed (so all the talk of framerate and smoothness is crap): jump. go through the frames as slowly as you want. when you are six frames from landing, hit l. what will you do? an airdodge, because according to the game you are IN THE AIR. now if you do the same thing but do an aerial instead of nothing, and press l six frames from landing again, and then go through each individual frame of landing, every other frame will be taken away. not every frame of the actual game (the framerate) just that one animation's frames. you can do this at one frame per hour and it's still the same.

also, if you were to try an l cancel 6 frames from hitting the ground but the platform below you was descending and it took more time than 6 frames, the l cancel wouldn't come out. this is because the game checks if l was pressed 6 frames BEFORE landing on the ground, and it checks when the character lands.

it has nothing to do with shielding. you can go in frame-by-frame and input the command "l" at exactly six frames before hitting the ground, and then at your own time let the game go on to the next frame where you have already released l. then let the next few frames go on without ANY commands being inputted. there is no shield buffing.


ALSO, you STILL didn't address that if shield buffering was the reason for the lost animation frames, then it should do it for anything else, such as an attack, a spot dodge, a crouch, or a jump.

 

[GreenKirby]

gimpy and inks found a new move they call it ink droping check his thread its neet

You mean the game isn't even out yet and ALREADY we're finding a possible new advance tech.? O_o

Legitimate question, if anyone can answer it...

Has short hopping been changed any?

(i.e. is it easier/harder to do, are there multiple levels of shorthopping, anything)

Doubt they would remove shortshopping. It's been in a lot of games that even have a jump button. So why remove it in this game?

 

[maxpower1227]

Speaking of short hopping (sort of), I really hope there is a way to turn off jumping with up on the stick. It's ridiculous how many times I STILL jump when I try to do Link's up-B on the ground.

 

[F@lc0-san]

Speaking of short hopping (sort of), I really hope there is a way to turn off jumping with up on the stick. It's ridiculous how many times I STILL jump when I try to do Link's up-B on the ground.

Oh god yes PLEASE, the guy at the summit says you can customize anyting, please let us do this.

I mainly play Y.Link tho, but I face the same problem as you sometimes, I wanna do his sword spin to trap someone and wooosh there I go in the air, ready to get ***** because i'm open to attacks..

Wait, i just realized, I mainly play CLONES >.<

Sucks to be me I guess.

MAIN: Falco (As you would have guessed)
SEC.Main: Doc.
Third Main: Roy
4th: Y.Link
5th: Samus, she's the only exception, and guess what....she's nerfed



I took up Samus more and more nowadays after I heared clones were out.

MAN, why Nerf her

Gah

Oh well, Sonic and Diddy, here I come.

Oh and Pokemon Trainer, somehow I have the strange feeling that he is gonna be one hellova interesting and cool character to train yourself in.

 

[Dither]

from the videos ive seen no crates exploding

There is a Pokemon Stadium video where in the air level, the box flies up, smashes into Sonic, and sends him flying.

 

[Raptorbite]

Too much work has gone into the Zero Suit Samus character for her to only be playable under a specific circumstance.

I agree, and it kind of worries me that even if you dont want to switch to Zamus you have to to prevent getting ***** by others in 1v1s

Also are the super smash balls actually going to be numerous enough that you can switch between Samus and Zamus multiple times per match? Seems like it takes some of the awe away from them if they are so common.

 

[marthmaster04]

I don't want to get involved in any sort of debate, but when was L-Canceling discovered in Melee? And when was Z-Canceling discovered in the original 64 game?

I can't be TOO sure, but Z-cancelling was only discovered maybe a short while before the the release of melee. Maybe a year or so. So L-cancels were probably found almost immediately in melee. I really hope L-cancels return in some form in brawl.

 

[GaryCXJk]

God****it.

It seems now that since WD is "gone", people around the world love to spam up the forums with wavedashing topics.

I hope that moderators will take measures. I don't want to go to the general board, only to see a list of "BAW WAVEDASHING GONE" or "**** YEAH WAVEDASHING GONE". Go suck balls and choke on them.

 

[marthmaster04]

God****it.

It seems now that since WD is "gone", people around the world love to spam up the forums with wavedashing topics.

I hope that moderators will take measures. I don't want to go to the general board, only to see a list of "BAW WAVEDASHING GONE" or "**** YEAH WAVEDASHING GONE". Go suck balls and choke on them.

Lol really man, they need to suck it up and accept its gone. ITS NOT MELEE lol. You'll find new ways to punish noobs and scrubs guys. XD

 

[Katy Parry]

Either way, I still kick your arse. With Zelda, ZELDA FTW!!!

 

[GaryCXJk]

Lol really man, they need to suck it up and accept its gone. ITS NOT MELEE lol. You'll find new ways to punish noobs and scrubs guys. XD

Yes, but these fricken n00bs are just ****ing the forums up with their "OMGLOLZ NO WAVEDASH LOLZ IMA GET BANNED NOW" topics. Seriously, die please.

And, like I once said:

 

[Timat the Slayer]

And, like I once said:

That post is so **** true.

And funny to boot. Clearly it's win.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

My first impression of E-4-all:I never knew booth babes could talk, let alone be soooo annoying

 

[GaryCXJk]

My first impression of E-4-all:I never knew booth babes could talk, let alone be soooo annoying

I never knew Booth Babes were ALLOWED to talk.

 

[Lightsaberboy]

anyone get a chance to play Mario? how'd he handle?

 

[Dynamism]

anyone get a chance to play Mario? how'd he handle?

several sources are concerned with his imense ability to combo ****

 

[Lightsaberboy]

ooh so he's still good i see. what about how his down b is now FLUD. does that mean his tornado is the regular down air attack?

 

[GaryCXJk]

ooh so he's still good i see. what about how his down b is now FLUD. does that mean his tornado is the regular down air attack?

I believe it has been confirmed by Gimpy that down air is indeed the tornado.

 

[Lightsaberboy]

makes sense. his original down air was basically that anyways.

but how was the FLUD move? did anyone like it? was it useful?

 

[UrajKingofDarkness]

Because if I'm doing something with the control stick, I'd be doing a tilt when I don't even mean to. How is adding tilt capability really making things better? When you crouch cancel, you're holding down, and you're trying to do a downsmash, but instead you just do a dtilt.

You could always do the crazy thing...assume it's a different game and practice doing something like letting go of down before you try to downsmash. Then again, I know how much people in here love crouching on both sticks.

 

[Titan05]

So, has anyone denied that you can grab an edge when your not facing it? I thought it was confirmed and then I saw a video to the contrary.

 

[Lightsaberboy]

did anyone enjoy playing diddy? was he good?

 

[squiser]

So, has anyone denied that you can grab an edge when your not facing it? I thought it was confirmed and then I saw a video to the contrary.

There's a vid with Peach out there that clearly shows her floating backwards into the edge and not grabbing it. So if it is possible, it's character specific (which seems stupid) or can't be done during an up+b.

 

[Titan05]

There's a vid with Peach out there that clearly shows her floating backwards into the edge and not grabbing it. So if it is possible, it's character specific (which seems stupid) or can't be done during an up+b.

Exactly why I asked. I saw that video too, however, I read statements to the contrary.

 

[Kittah4]

Yoshi has been seen to grab the platform backwards even while freefalling. To me it didnt look like peach went up high enough to grasp the ledge, or perhaps she couldnt because her hands were occupied.

 

[squiser]

IIRC Peach was definitely high enough. If it were Melee and she were facing forward, she would have grabbed it no problem. I'll try to find the vid.

EDIT: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8bnZtU5c8Qw at 0:33

 

[ecrone]

So how does C-Stick charging work?

And is Pit any good? I was excited for him, but everyone says he's weak....any positives?

 

[yoshi_fan]

IIRC Peach was definitely high enough. If it were Melee and she were facing forward, she would have grabbed it no problem. I'll try to find the vid.

EDIT: http://youtube.com/watch?v=8bnZtU5c8Qw at 0:33

SOMETIMES I SAW BOMBS... WITH GIRLS SCREAMING O_O

 

[Elec Man EXE]

So how does C-Stick charging work?

And is Pit any good? I was excited for him, but everyone says he's weak....any positives?

I don't know who says he's weak, but all the guys in Gimpy's podcast said he was one that was potentially top tier.

 

[Salaad]

I really want to know if we can SH peanut with Diddy. xD

 

[ruffrydr017]

I'm surprised we haven't had many updates today.

Granted, it opened at 12 (or 11 for VIP), I would have expected more impressions. It does close at 8, so I guess more media and impressions are to come.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

hard to tell if some chars can grab backwards or all can. remember, ganon and falcon could do it out of their upb even though the move doesnt involve them spinnign around

 

[Shai Hulud]

Lol really man, they need to suck it up and accept its gone. ITS NOT MELEE lol. You'll find new ways to punish noobs and scrubs guys. XD

And here you are posting what is at least the 7000th post saying "Guys Brawl is a new game it's not Melee quit crying"

Holy ****, a new game?

IT'S NOT MELEE? Get out of here!

No, seriously--get out of here.

 

[Chiroz]

So, has anyone denied that you can grab an edge when your not facing it? I thought it was confirmed and then I saw a video to the contrary.

I also saw a video of what I believe was Gimpy, or if not another Bowser falling to his doom and not grabbing the ledge.

 

[Deleted member]

At least Yoshis like me will ahve more experience with it, seeing as Yoshi already has the ability to instant edgehog. THough i liked it better when only yosh could do it, but oh well. Btw, Yoshi for top tier

 

[Chiroz]

So how does C-Stick charging work?

And is Pit any good? I was excited for him, but everyone says he's weak....any positives?

Well, from what I've heard, from Gimpy (in his podcast, and his multiple posts), he is VERY good.

I believe the list went

Metaknight
Pit
Mario
Link
etc.?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

hmm... I wonder if the changes made to Fox are leading to a luigified Falco type ordeal, now that Wofl is "sort of" not in the game. Still a chance, but a smaller one than decloning Falco.

 

[marthmaster04]

And here you are posting what is at least the 7000th post saying "Guys Brawl is a new game it's not Melee quit crying"

Holy ****, a new game?

IT'S NOT MELEE? Get out of here!

No, seriously--get out of here.

Excuse me for not following every page. =|

 

[Thino]

And here you are posting what is at least the 7000th post saying "Guys Brawl is a new game it's not Melee quit crying"

Holy ****, a new game?

IT'S NOT MELEE? Get out of here!

No, seriously--get out of here.

I would repeat that another 700 times till people understand it