Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)

[Kiwikomix]

Of course you're not top tier, you has troubles KOing.
Lawl n00b!

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

liek metanight mirite?

 

[Kiwikomix]

course, all medanite does is flie around!!11111eleven!111!!
guise we shoudl get back on topic, i believe captain flagon is bottom

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

Ok, you can be top tier.

...


...

I'll be God tier.

And I'll be God.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm is in the same position as Anther really. He has won two tournament with less than 30 people. He certainly does not make up the majority over ROB's score considering ROB has reared his head over 20 times in the summer tournaments.

Also Sethlon isn't the only one spear heading Falco's position either. Both ROB and Falco do well in multiple hands not just the greats.

Look at Falcon's position. Often considered the worst character in the game yet RoyR came in Second with him. How can you say that is an accurate representation?

Not including Critical hit, Azen has given Lucario almos, if not more,t 100 points. Overswarm has only given ROB 40 points.

I got 3rd in my first ever tournament, 2nd in my 2nd, and the last 10 I've gotten first. They just haven't all been put on the list because some of them were before his start date.

 

[Griffard]

I would agree with others that MK will most likely be higher than Snake now. There is simply much more untapped potential with the new and exciting discovery of this AT

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

Can we drop the chat about the new MK AT? It has been made fairly clear that it will be banned.

 

[Dpete]

Really its not that clear yet. It obviously has stalling potential, but then again so do infinites and they aren't banned. Only time will tell. Until we get official word, I do agree that we should drop it.

So Top Tier is obviously Snake and MK. Personally I think they are so far ahead of the rest of the cast they are the only ones who deserve to be there. Some may argue GaW or DDD belong there with them...

 

[WITH]

Yet again I have re-edited my tier list its more accurate (in my opinion) because of the separation of half the roster being in Mid tier please tell me if you think people should be moved around and if so give a good reason why.

Top
- Snake
- Meta Knight

High
- Wario
- Mr. Game & Watch
- Marth
- Falco
- King Dedede
- R.O.B
- Luigi

High Mid
- Toon Link
- Wolf
- Mario
- DK
- Olimar
- Lucas
- Jigglypuff
(Jigglypuff and DK could mid or high mid)

Mid
- Pikachu
- Ike
- Pit
- Diddy Kong
- Kirby
- Zelda
- Ice Climbers
- Ness
- Peach
(Zelda and Peach could be Low Mid or Mid)

Low Mid
- Lucario
- Zero Suit Samus
- Fox
- Shiek
- Pokemon Trainer
(Pokemon Trainer would be better of separated making it easier to judge)

Low
- Yoshi
- Captain Falcon
- Samus
- Link
- Ganondorf
- Sonic

Bottom
- Bowser

you have no clue...BOWSER??? BOWSER is the worst in the game? lololololololololol stop posting lists.

 

[Pieisthebest]

Top Tier-

People

Pieisthebest

Moar People

Bottom
- SmashBrother2008

Woot, I'm top tier.

Lurking is fun <.<

 

[Jibbles]

@The huge tier list
Wario is not above G&W and Marth
Jigglypuff is not high mid
Lucario is not low mid
Bowser is not bottom.
Fox is not low mid

 

[adumbrodeus]

MK is a fairly close second, but just because ROB is virtually his only negative matchup, doesnt make him a better character.

Actually, it's not his only, there are a couple of others which seem to be negative.


Actually, it's probably MK's fault that snake is doing so well, because MK is a char that can be played at a pretty high level with relative ease AND has advantages over the vast majority of the cast.

Snake has good match-ups overall, and is a good character, but... MK clears the field for him. Only DK has an advantage vs. both and he generally gets eliminated early because his advantages aren't good enough overall.


So really, the reason why Snake places so well is primarily his MK advantage, MK acts like Sheik did, a field-clearer. Only, MK is better at it...

Not that I'm suggesting that we do, but if we ban MK, I somehow doubt that Snake's results will be so spectacular.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Its obviusly going to be banned since a partial ban is impossible to do.
You cannot monitor the match constantly.
It cannot be countered in any way. Its gonna be banned.

 

[Dpete]

I agree that some of Snake's wins are definitely at the expense of MK, but it is still pretty clear that he is a great character. He would still be Top Tier if MK wasn't so good IMO.

 

[cutter]

Snake is already amazing to begin with. The fact that he can beat up on Metaknight (to which characters can even claim that) is just another big plus that makes him insanely popular.

Even if DK has good matchups against Snake and MK, he's as good as dead if DDD grabs him. Rock paper scissors ftw.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Snake is already amazing to begin with. The fact that he can beat up on Metaknight (to which characters can even claim that) is just another big plus that makes him insanely popular.

Even if DK has good matchups against Snake and MK, he's as good as dead if DDD grabs him. Rock paper scissors ftw.

Exactly, DDD is too popular, otherwise he'd get the same effect. If he didn't have so many popular counters, he'd probably be top tier.

yeah it probably won't be banned, so lets just ban MK and it will solve all of our problems.

Rising pound?

Peach Bomber infinite stall?

So with MK's new AT, is he truly broken? God tier? I kinda doubt it, but does he move above Snake now?

invulnerable for an infinite period of time...

Yes, if the move is legal, not only is it a great approach, it also means that at any point, if you have 1 more damage then mk, or one less stock, he can use this technique, stall out the rest of the match, and win.

 

[A2ZOMG]

IMO The only reason Snake is doing so well is because the other really popular tourney character is MK, who JUST so happens to lose against Snake, despite having better overall matchups.

Snake SUFFERS against projectile spam, having a laggy air game, and a recovery that is easy to spike. He is also one of the most easily chaingrabbed characters in Brawl. A combination of these factors make his bad matchups Falco, DDD, ICs, Pikachu, and even Wolf. I also hear R.O.B. has the advantage on him....

MK however generally has the advantage on those characters. There are only two matchups out of his favor. Snake, and G&W, moreso Snake.

2 bad matchups >>> 6 bad matchups.

 

[mimic_king]

Jigglypuff seems pretty good in Brawl.

jigglypuff is terrible. her down b is no longer very useful. her wall of pain is no longer effective. she is the third worst character in the game in my opinion.

i think the second worst is captain falcon. remember his knee? it's harder to do and can easily be survived. his up b doesn't send him as high anymore. his side b requires more accuracy. he is slower.

ganondorf is the worst. he is slower than captain falcon and harder to hit someone with. slower characters are always worse. they don't recover from attacks as easily and their attacks are easy to dodge. a fast character can land multiple combos on a slow character and the slow one won't be able to easily fight back. in melee, however, slow characters have the wavedash to dodge attacks and make them faster. too bad they tool that out in brawl.

in general, slow characters are never good, except king dedede with his waddle dee throw and drill hammer attacks.

 

[A2ZOMG]

By the way, Snake is technically a slow character, but he's one of the best in Brawl just because his ground game happens to be ridiculous.

The reason why he's not THE BEST? Because he suffers from projectile spam, his air game is awful, and his recovery can be easily spiked.

 

[rm88]

I love Puff T_T She's indeed not nearly as good as before, but I hope she doesn't end being the worst character in the game (not like I'd care, but anyway).

 

[Crizthakidd]

links not too too bad and i think people underestimate fox.

who thinks g&w should be the first in high tier followed by ddd, olimar, marth

 

[Frown]

Nah, Olimar has THE worst recovery move. His movement while airborne is pretty good, but he's way to easily edgeguarded.

 

[adumbrodeus]

links not too too bad and i think people underestimate fox.

who thinks g&w should be the first in high tier followed by ddd, olimar, marth

DDD over all...

Marth over everyone else, then G&W, then Olimar.


In high tier of course.

 

[Kiwikomix]

I actually would say that Ike has a worse recovery than Olimar, hands down.

 

[rm88]

Edgeguarding Olimar is way easier than edgeguarding Ike, at least for me.

 

[Onomanic]

Edgeguarding Olimar is way easier than edgeguarding Ike, at least for me.

Edgehog or Edgegaurd? Edgehogging Ike is easy for Link. When the Aether starts hitting you, you have 3 chances to tether back to the ledge to continue the edgehog. Quite effective, really. Just hit Z a lot.

(lol so irrelevant to whats going on)

 

[SketchHurricane]

I think we can all agree on top tier


Azen
Final Destination

Azen is filled with misconceptions. Some have this idea that Azen is a player and not a character. Then there are those that think Azen is the random character selection. Azen is more than that though. Azen is being good with all characters and winning with them but unlike the random button you stick with one character throughout the entire tournament. So say the little icon in your character profile says you main ROB. You go to a tournament and everyone thinks that you will use ROB, but instead you use Ike the whole time and you win. Then some guy says, "WTF your ROB mainer." You reply, "No, I play Azen." Then next week you come in using Marth this time and everyone expects you to play Ike like last week. Then they are all like "WTF you play Ike." Thus you reply, "No, I play Azen."

Now choosing your character of the day is sometimes a difficult task. Some people can just feel a certain character on a certain day. "Yeah today feels like Sonic. Others choose by a day system in which each day represents a character. You know Mario, Monday, Toon Link Tuesday, Wario Wednesday and so on. Others just use random number generators to help them decide.

Next we have Final Destination. It is certainly pretty impressive character. No real flaws and it can gimp almost any character even if they are at zero percent. That surely is an amazing feat.

I think this needs to be bumped for hilarity. Yeah that's right, I bumped a post. It's that good.

 

[Debonu]

GaW should be top tier imo

 

[cutter]

I've talked with Silverflash-x and Nigerian Starstorm (aka Longhorn on Gamefaqs) and both of them have constructed the best tier lists so far IMO. They both agree that G&W is a top tier character behind Snake and Metaknight.

EDIT: Found Nigerian Starstorm's tier list:

Top Tier:
Snake <1>
Meta Knight <2>
Mr. Game and Watch <4>


Very High Tier:
Marth <5>
Falco <8>
R.O.B.<7>
King Dedede <3>
Wario <6>
Olimar <10>


High Tier:
Pit <13>
Wolf <12>
Pikachu <21>
Toon Link <23>
Lucario <9>
Zelda <18>
Donkey Kong <11>
Fox <14>

Mid Tier:
Ice Climbers<15>
Diddy Kong <20>
Kirby <16>
Luigi <27>
Lucas <30>
Ness <17>
ZSS <19>


Low tier :
Ike <28>
Peach <22>
Mario <29>
Pokemon Trainer <34>
Bowser <26>
Sonic <24>
Sheik <35>


Bottom Tier:
Link <33>
Samus <25>
Ganondorf <Unranked>
Yoshi <36> (Holy **** finally!)
Jigglypuff <31>
*SPACE*
Captain Falcon <35>

The numbers correspond to Ankoku's character rankings (might be a bit outdated on that since this was posted like a couple of days ago)

 

[Snowstalker]

TOP:

Snake
Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B

HIGH:

King Dedede
Captian Olimar
Toon Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Pit
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Wario
Wolf

MIDDLE:

Zelda
Fox
Diddy Kong
Lucario
Lucas
Luigi
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Ness
Yoshi
Mario

LOW:

Peach
Sonic
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Shiek
Link

BOTTOM:

Samus
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

TOP:

Snake
Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B

HIGH:

King Dedede
Captian Olimar
Toon Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Pit
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Wario
Wolf

MIDDLE:

Zelda
Fox
Diddy Kong
Lucario
Lucas
Luigi
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Ness
Yoshi
Mario

LOW:

Peach
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Shiek
Sonic
Link

BOTTOM:

Samus
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captain Falcon

hey cool, u put Yoshi in low Mid, the highest I've seen or remember you're a Yoshi main though so I guess that's different. And I like your list

Top Tier:
Snake <1>
Meta Knight <2>
Mr. Game and Watch <4>


Very High Tier:
Marth <5>
Falco <8>
R.O.B.<7>
King Dedede <3>
Wario <6>
Olimar <10>


High Tier:
Pit <13>
Wolf <12>
Pikachu <21>
Toon Link <23>
Lucario <9>
Zelda <18>
Donkey Kong <11>
Fox <14>

Mid Tier:
Ice Climbers<15>
Diddy Kong <20>
Kirby <16>
Luigi <27>
Lucas <30>
Ness <17>
ZSS <19>


Low tier :
Ike <28>
Peach <22>
Mario <29>
Pokemon Trainer <34>
Bowser <26>
Sonic <24>
Sheik <35>


Bottom Tier:
Link <33>
Samus <25>
Ganondorf <Unranked>
Yoshi <36> (Holy **** finally!)
Jigglypuff <31>
*SPACE*
Captain Falcon <35>

The numbers correspond to Ankoku's character rankings (might be a bit outdated on that since this was posted like a couple of days ago)

I agree with this list too.

 

[AgentAO]

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Too many people in your top, tiers are supposed to be seperated by difference in ability, not just put evenly. If anything, only G&W deserves being up there with Snake and Metaknight, and that's arguable.

And Yoshi isn't mid, and if he's mid, then Sonic is DEFINATELY not the bottom of low.

 

[johnnylaw505]

Metaknight and Snake are God Tier. Then there are the rest.

 

[Snowstalker]

All that really matters is:

Top tier:

Snake
Meta Knight

Bottom Tier:

Everyone else

 

[metalmonstar]

I got 3rd in my first ever tournament, 2nd in my 2nd, and the last 10 I've gotten first. They just haven't all been put on the list because some of them were before his start date.

Well I was looking at the summer results when I came up with the numbers. I am sure if I included the spring all the top players numbers would be way higher for their main. I am just saying you don't skew the result as much as others. I know you are one of, if not the best, ROB in the country.

 

[Theftz22]

hey guys i just went back to ssb64. It's so much better than brawl

 

[philbobjoe]

hey guys i just went back to ssb64. It's so much better than brawl

Agreed.

10char

 

[Kiwikomix]

tier list

Much as I think it takes balls to put Yoshi in mid tier, his current tourney results don't really warrant it. Someday, maybe, but not yet.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Until we get an official ban on this new tech

God tier:

MK

Tier with 99-1 match-ups against MK:

Everyone else


Seriously, MK's infinite dimensional cape is that good, it's an approach that demands you react to what MK is going to do before he does it and at precisely the right time.

It's also an infinite stall...

Snake, DK, nobody has a reasonable counter to this move, and as long as it's legal, mk is the only tournament viable character.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

God tier:

MK

Tier with 99-1 match-ups against MK:

Everyone else


Seriously, MK's infinite dimensional cape is that good, it's an approach that demands you react to what MK is going to do before he does it and at precisely the right time.

It's also an infinite stall...

Snake, DK, nobody has a reasonable counter to this move, and as long as it's legal, mk is the only tournament viable character.

That is why it will be BANNED. When it completely destroy the balance of the game and turns it into "Use this character or lose".