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I agree with this (even though I'm one of those people with less than 10 posts).
EDIT: Erg... Then again opinions like these do contribute to a tier list a little.
It's Because this is the biggest thread on smashboards and everyone wants to think that they know who the best are, but know one will be 100% right unless they have a list that matches the SBR's
Ike and Ness should actually switch places. PT should be just above Shiek but, unfortunately, he still belongs in low tier.
Snake ***** majority of the game man.
Well, many of us have been lurking for years, or have had past accounts with more posts (yo).
i sort of agree, but does my post REALLY need to have reasons? that guy put lucas and lucario in top tier. i mean... honestly?
yeah well its hard to say but i reckon:
okemon Trainor, Peach, Zelda/sheik, mario, luigi,possibly Ike in the right hands, Pikachu
I think the issue is that her airgame isn't as useful nor impressive as it used to be in Melee. Airdodging and shielding is far more useful now, so avoiding aerials is possible at almost all times. Also, factor in the fact that there are characters that can do everything she can, but better -looks at Wario- its hard to place her high.So her airgame and B moves are just gimmicks?
I really can't see how she's so bad except for lightweightedness. May I get some more details?
She's my current main right now so that's why I'm bein a little defensive. Sorry ^^
Honestly, I dunno where the bias issue came from. The only biased posters are ones who have just joined Smashboards and think that Diddy Kong is god.
Wario's recovery and Jiggz' recovery are two entirely different stories. Wario recovers up and forward diagonally, while Jiggz has a poor vertical recovery that can get her to the edge but takes so much time that it's easily edgeguarded with a spike. Therefore, I don't think they can really be compared... it's like comparing Melee Fox and Brawl Fox's ground games.
i'd say EVERYBODY'S game relies on them being unpredictable, don't you?
strongest upsmash. and yes, it's been tested to be above lucas's. it kills off the top of fd at about 80% for middle weight characters. so no, lucas does not have the strongest upsmash.
something wrong?
Not to Wario's extent, no. Your opponent can't see your Wario waft coming if you want it to do anything, for example. Also, Wario's bizarre movements make him rely more on mindgames than many other characters: eg, his odd spinning attacks like spotdodge and nair.
Yeah, he really is. I'm sure you prolly just think I'm biased because he's my main, but he really is a good character brought down only by light weight and lack of a projectile.
Please don't explain to me how to use PT, I already use him a lot. Charizard is a good character what with his stuff and other stuff, but you can't use him forever, and if you try, he quickly becomes a not-so-good character. That's what brings down PT, that he can't be used consistently. See my last post for the whole thing on why that's bad.
Unlike Melee Jiggz, he can't WOP as effectively, he has crap recovery, and no rest. He's really more like Brawl's Jiggz than Melee's anyway. Also, using Squirtle usually ends up with the turtle dying hella early, like at 80% from a decent smash attack.
I know all about Ivy. Look back about 50 pages and you'll see me defending her. However, I conceded multiple times that she belongs in low tier, but certainly not bottom tier.
If the Pokemon were separated, which they shouldn't be, Squirtle would be low just because his aerial game doesn't redeem him for his ability to die in two seconds.
Well don't give me the same thing what makes you think that Jigglypuff "wouldn't make it back" Jigglypuff does the same thing that Pit does when he recovers, if your not dumb you won't go strait to the ledge to be set up for a kill. You go around the opponent, if pit gets hit once during his b up hes dead, so he goes out and around to avoid that, so does Jigglypuff. And how would Jigglypuff even get down there, if shes hit off the stages its going to be above the platform so she can always make it back. And even if she does come strait up, what makes you think she can't dodge the spike, shes got jumps to spare so she can either easily move out of the way with a small movment or a pound or air dodge. Wario might not have his bike with him at all times or his second jump, then all hes got his is crappy b up which goes 2 feet.
Rest is actually much weaker in this game & with how easy it is to smash DI, its killing power is no longer impressive like it was in Melee.
Your kidding right? There are many recovery situations where Jigglypuff can recover and Wario can't, and only an idiot would be edgegaurded with Jigglypuff. If you ever fight a good Jigglypuff player in Brawl, your never going to kill them with the abyss. Your comparing Jigglypuff's recovery with a what-if situation with Wario, Wario is indeed better if he has a fully charged fart, a bike, and a second jump, but most of the time he dosn't have that charged fart, or his bike could possibly still be in play on the stage.
