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i was actually thinking of mentioning that thread's findings, but that has a hole or two in it. like a poster in that thread mentioned, it accurately represents "power" at the top, but once you start heading towards the bottom it becomes clear that that is more of a popularity ranking and less of an indicator of a character's abilities.
Are you implying that that this controller method instantly means you can't play as well? That's a rather short sited comment. =P
I agree with you, wario can outmaneuver him, peach can peach bomber the crap out of him, and Jiggs has an easy setup for rest and/or recovery gimping(pound launching him before he can tether).
yeah IVsaur sucks he has his place though as he gives a fair fight to Yoshi.
No, I don't think he's slow, but his attacks come with the price of high windup and finishing lag. He gets kudos for his crazy bike, his recovery, and his unpredictable movement. I'll have to admit that Wario is looking better every day with some players, so I guess I stand corrected on the Wario part.
Peach is worse than Ivysaur. She is outranged constantly, her recovery keeps her totally open to attack (an Ivy fair), and she really can't do much about projectiles except throw a turnip, which everyone can catch anyway. At least Ivysaur can cancel most projectiles with her jab.I agree with you, wario can outmaneuver him, peach can peach bomber the crap out of him, and Jiggs has an easy setup for rest and/or recovery gimping(pound launching him before he can tether).
EDIT: left this running for a while and when I came back I finished it, sorry if it no longer pertains to the discussion!
WOW, Jiggs can't get past much, but saying that it has absolutely NO ways to deal with f-smash from an IVsaur is wrong! Rest may have gotten nerfed but it is still more killpower than an IVsaur would ever even think of, not only that but if you are fighting for your life and Jiggly has 3 more jumps than you do you think that razor leaf is going to save you? Even using a sing(when in range) would KO you! IVsaur uses razor leaf and Jiggly aerial dodges the first hit followed up by his move of choice.
these tactics you're posting make me sick.I hardly see how having a different control scheme can possibly make any character worse or better then they already are.
Ok, so explain why what I said is wrong instead of just saying it's not right. How does Jiggz deal with a sh'd fair? Go from above? We all know that means bullet seed or u-smash.WOW, Jiggs can't get past much, but saying that it has absolutely NO ways to deal with f-smash from an IVsaur is wrong! Rest may have gotten nerfed but it is still more killpower than an IVsaur would ever even think of, not only that but if you are fighting for your life and Jiggly has 3 more jumps than you do you think that razor leaf is going to save you? Even using a sing(when in range) would KO you! IVsaur uses razor leaf and Jiggly aerial dodges the first hit followed up by his move of choice.
Zelda has the same score as Yoshi in that thread.
Ike plays really well online because when it's laggy and dodging isn't as effective his super powerful but slow attacks work extremely well. A similar effect can be reproduced by giving people unfamiliar controls, their movements/dodging are going to be much worse than usual (As well as their reaction times) and a character that can just swing away with no finesse needed to get kills is going to do better than they deserve to based on actual character ability.
If you use the Wii mote, you won't have a C-Stick. the C-Stick is essential for anyone trying to preform aerials with anyone. Otherwise, you HAVE to move in the direction you are attacking. If you use a wiimote and Nunchuk you still won't have the C-Stick. (You may also say B-Stick if that's your thing).
Yoshi's nair is better than ivysaurs, his bair is differant, better(sets up for so much stuff, amazing approach, 15 damage if they all hit which is very common), dair is arguable (yoshis can rack up over 20 damage quickly, ivysaurs..i have no clue, uair is better, i guess its arguable but i dunno(can actually combo, lots of range and kill power and doesnt shoot u down).
Well... the D-pad can be used as a C-stick, to preform aerials and smashes. Because you can set the pad up to jump, move and do the aerial with three different fingers effortlessly... heck the Wiimote/Nunchuck set up seems pretty good.
you're acting like yoshi's bair is a free ticket to win town. i've played yoshis before, and they all spammed sh bair, and they all lost. telling me that sh bair is your answer to everything is setting yourself up to lose.
Besides the C-stick argument presented, there's also the fact that the Gamecube controller simply has 7+ years on any of the other control schemes, and thus has familiarity going for it. It is also by far the most intuitive and easy to grasp - Not only is everything placed so that you don't have to move any of your fingers more than a centimeter at a time (barring C-stick usage), but everything is also conveniently sized.
I'm sorry, but anyone who uses Razor Leaf at a range that could be described as "punishable by Jiggly Counterattack" deserves whatever he gets. I don't have much experience with Ivysaur, but I'm reasonably confident enough in his range and priority that he can deal with a medium-range Jiggs without resorting to a laggy projectile.
It's called Wi-Fi kid. Live a little.
At least Peach counters Ivysaur... By own experience eitherway. And worse than Ivysaur? Dunno about that - you take her recovering as an example but c'mon, it ain't that bad - you can recover in several different matters and the floating allows you to attack rather comfortably if it's needed. Ivysaur's recovery is uncomparable to that imo.
Uh... no. If you pressed forward and backward on the D-Pad at the same time, you would break it. You can't do an aerial on the D-pad without DIing, even a little, in that direction. That is why the C-Stick + Control Stick is superior.
peach's fair has nothing in ivysaur's aerials. you couldn't even reach me.
That's so cute!that's useful.Is VulgarHandGestures actually trying to prove the supremacy of Ivysaur?
Well, considering that the three Pokemon have different portraits, movesets, and even win poses, I'd say comparing them to Zelda/Sheik isn't a bad idea. And by your logic, Zelda and Sheik are the same character.
When you die as Zelda, you don't come back as Shiek. If you play Zelda for 2 minutes, she doesn't lose effectiveness until you stop playing as her for a while.
True. But that doesn't seem to stop people from winning matches using exclusively Squirtle or Charizard. I view the three Pokemon as separate fighters in the same fashion that I view the three parts of a Marvel vs. Capcom 2 team as separate characters. They can be played as stand-alone fighters, but...why would you?
What I would do would be to have how each stands by itself, but a combined PT to place how they fare if the player is switching to match the opponent/damage %'s. Since that should be more successful than any of them alone, I would expect it to be of interest to someone considering maining PT to know how much of a benefit being able to utilize all three had over just specializing in one.
That's what I was thinking, a way to indicate where they place if someone is able to utilize the mid-game switch to gain the advantages of each while minimizing their disadvantages. I would say it's a more important thing for PT because of the enforced switching than it is for Zelda/Shiek, but could still be useful there.
uhhh... no.
Except said manuvers are also very easy using the C-stick, while at the same time you have more buttons to customize as you like. The c-stick also allows you to do angled smashes more easily (for those that apply).
wow. strawmen and just plain poor arguments make for a good debate these days i guess. win poses? that's your argument?
