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ok.... and now, I'll cry....@Jrugs: That's a different story, and that's probably because of the greater imbalance MK lends to the competitive scene. Like, without MK, Brawl is much more balanced than Melee straight-up. Unfortunately, with MK, Brawl is more imbalanced. I mean, look at the top 32 of each game at Apex 2013.
Of course, this is why everyone should just get into Project M.
RCO is just a character flaw that applies to multiple characters and it isn't even really a big deal (I never really see it affect high/top level matches).
Because those usually affected by it aren't played. *looks to the obvious Ganon and Mario*
No, RCO is a HUGE deal for most characters that have it, its just that there just happens not to be any top tiers with this problem, hence why you dont see it as a problem often.
keeps him from landing vs because he can't just land without inputting an aerial or he'll lag and be punished anyway.
No i'm pretty sure Sonic was rush job in Brawl, since many of his moves are visual clones of other moves (spin dash) or they reuse assets from other characters (his aerials). Sonic has more than enough moveset potential for Brawl, Sakurai didn't have time to utilize it unfortunately.Sakurai was going for simplicity with Sonic's moveset, as a means of relating to the way the Sonic games played back on the Genesi, where all he did was spin in a ball and roll into enemies.
If it's a lazy design, it's not on Sakurai's hand any more than Sega's design from the get go.
I can only call it lazy from a visual perspective myself.
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As pointed out the only high level character it really effects is marth, but for other characters ganon, wolf, falcon, mario, etc. it's still important to have any kind of frame advantage and this puts them at a disadvantage for doing what they need to do to live. As for terrible, Brawl has a tech system where your character can not roll as soon as they hit the ground unless they are a certain distance away from the ground I've heard people mention this as a bug, but whatever the frame window is for it it doesn't feel very fluid to as compared to say melee's.
Completely disagree here, this is a completely illogical opinion. Either they are all ok or all bad, difficulty in execution or set-up is are arbitrary judgements. If a character can infinite another character by pressing A over and over again but another one needs to grab you with a 25 frame tether grab first, they're both either still good or still bad. If they're good, the first character is a better character, if they're bad then both infinites should be banned.
This is why I will never ever ban Marths GR on Ness and Lucas, Dedede's chaingrab on DK and such. Banning them is worse than banning MK by a long shot.
M2k has also gone on record to say rob/pika are the best characters in the game too (check the old threads in the BBR). So yea don't jump to conclusions when he says something lol.
Stay mad plsM2k has also gone on record to say rob/pika are the best characters in the game too (check the old threads in the BBR). So yea don't jump to conclusions when he says something lol.
Literally after every apex, the stupid masses jump on a bandwagon. First it was snake then falco then olimar and now ZS. Nothing has really changed dude. ONE ZS player doing good things doesn't mean a MU has changed. Now if Salem started winning everything all the sudden then it would be a different story.
I never said top 3. Nor did anyone else to my knowledge.Moving up? Yea sure thats fine. Top tier or top 3? Hell no.
That's not at all the case. However, my opinion has still faced a lot of opposition because the current B tier includes all the well-rounded characters that have trouble winning large events for different small reasons. ZSS is in a lot of ways very different from that.Ok just making sure you didn't go all extremist cause your character did good. That's what happens after every apex.
and .......at the same time. o.O
Ugh, this is no different from any Marvel infinite.....
No Im saying hard work doesn't = Maruchan's instant B tier.Edit: Because hard work = not good? Lolwut?
This is part of why I think Brawl is a "bad" game. So many tourneys DO take it upon themselves to ban infinites, and even more, selectively ban them. Oh, DDD's wall infinite isn't banned, but his ledge one is? Dafuq? So yeah, "we've taken upon ourselves" the job of shaping our game's meta(knight)game. I've talked about this extensively with John12346. Why the heck are our artificial rules so friendly to one kind of camper but extremely detrimental to another kind? Our time limits literally make certain characters viable or at least buff their viability somewhat. If we truly wanted chars to be exposed for what they were, we'd be playing with 99-minute time limits or something. Same goes for planking. So just because MK exists, other chars have to imposed with a LGL, and MK has to be restricted with even more extreme rules? This can't be called good!
The problem is thatNo Im saying hard work doesn't = Maruchan's instant B tier.
It means they worked hard with a very viable C tier and got rewarded for it.
Edit: this is like when espy and X topped at MLG and Every niiguh on Why-fi wanted to pick up
got a HUGE buff at MLG. At MLG had an auto-win stage the same way has when RC/Brinstar are both legal. When Yi and Pictochat were both legal in the same tournament, you NEEDED to win game 1 or it was basically over because you were going to be clocked on Picto/Yi. No other national to my knowledge has ever allowed Pictochat (Except maybe Whobo's) and none of 's result could be similar because of the removal of Pictochat. has done well regardless of stages used. I only think she should be above though. She's got the potential to be a regional threat, but I don't think she is a national threat even with Salem's Apex victory.No, but our metagame never will be developed(as much as it should be) cuz brawl players always spend time finding excuses instead of practicing. Seriously there has been upset after upset and still brawl players want to blame the game for being bad.
's they played) knows the mu
How does this make sense? What ridiculous cognitive dissonance. :|She's got the potential to be a regional threat, but I don't think she is a national threat even with Salem's Apex victory.
When was Olimar ever Mid Tier, let alone Low Tier? (O_o)
