Official BBR Tier List v7

[Iota]

He has to small step it. Otherwise his grab can't reach us in time.

 

[bubbaking]

I don't think anyone outside of super biased, delusional Pika mains have ever agreed with it being even.

And the BBR who put it on the MU chart.

 

[Espy Rose]

The BBR did it because no one wanted to deal with said delusional Pika mains.

 

[Luco]

Wouldn't you be more concerned about everyone else?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Absolutely not.

 

[C.J.]

And the BBR who put it on the MU chart.

The only reason it's the BBR MU chart is because the BBR is the group who came up w/ the idea/process/invited people outside the BBR to take part. It's much less the BBR MU chart and more the "BBR appointed people to create panels to create this chart by a set a guidelines that the BBR created" chart.

Wouldn't you be more concerned about everyone else?

Absolutely not.

This. Having focused discussion w/ a group of people for extended periods of time can be a HUGE headache and may cause people just to give up to make it stop/prevent it from happening.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Just to clarify, i know i'm behind, Ganon can CG wario across the stage.

he doesn't have to glide toss the tire, he just has to throw it forward and he gets a free side b because the tire acts as a jab reset.

 

[bubbaking]

Yeah, you're behind.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I think diddy goes even with wario butI know the panel is going to put it as a disadvantage. Same thing with Ics and Snake

 

[Tesh]

i dont feel like wario beats diddy tbh, i dont see how...

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

why wouldn't wario beat diddy? he stays in the air, doesn't die early, and banana into waft at like 80%. sounds like counter attributes to me, even if only by a bit since diddy is gdlk

 

[Tesh]

What you can do with a banana does not determine the matchup. Ganon can land warlock punches out of banana combos, but it doesnt mean much.

Wario has horrible item toss animations which makes it more difficult to hit people with something like that. He also still kinda gets outcamped making it hard to land a waft during the "early kill" timeframe which is only 30 seconds or so.

 

[bubbaking]

why wouldn't wario beat diddy? he stays in the air, doesn't die early, and banana into waft at like 80%. sounds like counter attributes to me, even if only by a bit since diddy is gdlk

Whenever I assume that a character is going to get his hands on a banana, people tell me that's just Diddy being stupid with his bananas and that shouldn't have happened. I don't see why Wario should be much different.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

why wouldn't wario beat diddy? he stays in the air, doesn't die early, and banana into waft at like 80%. sounds like counter attributes to me, even if only by a bit since diddy is gdlk

He has to land at some point and his aerial approaches suck.

 

[Luigi player]

He has to land at some point and his aerial approaches suck.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. His aerial approaches don't suck, but against Diddy they don't work as well, especially if Diddy has a banana lying around him... Wario can't do much against that, especially since fair kinda walls him a bit too. He can bite but it's difficult with bananas lying around and it can definitely be punished easily from Diddy since he just needs to dribble or something. It really doesn't work that well from the air against Diddy...

I really don't see Wario beating Diddy, but yeah...

 

[Player-1]

diddy is a low tier char, when are you guys going to realize that the players that play him are just that amazing?

 

[SoulPech]

diddy is a low tier char, when are you guys going to realize that the players that play him are just that amazing?

When you admit that Fox isn't the worst character in the game and that Jiggs is high tier.

 

[Player-1]

jiggz can be high tier, but fox is definitely worst char in the game

 

[DMG]

Diddy Wario is pretty even. Could be 5 points either character's favor. Would likely be a 0 on the MU chart.

As for the waft window, it's not 30 seconds it's closer to a minute. The time you have from getting a Stage 3 Waft until Stage 4 is bout a minute.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Diddy/Wario gets better for Diddy as both players get better.

 

[Internalyzed]

And why is that?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Diddy/Wario gets better for Diddy as both players get better.

No it doesn't. It just gets campier and more based off of who gets more damage in/ gets the first kill.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Nah cause mid level Diddy's suck at walling out aerial approaches compared to high level

true facts

you can even tell because everyone thought it was +1 Wario, then everyone got better, now everyone thinks it's even

 

[SaveMeJebus]

True facts

All current top warios suck at camping

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Who is a top level Wario? Reflex?

I can only think of Gluttony and that Japanese dude

 

[ぱみゅ]

Waymas is absurdly campy, though.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I meant in the diddy mu and yes reflex

 

[bubbaking]

I thought Reflex's Wario can be campy at times. I guess it comes from all that Ivy practice...

 

[Iota]

Reflex, Abadango, Glutonny, Waymas, and Sky are the best Warios imo. Diddy vs Wario transitions from horrible to evenish for Diddy from mid-top level.

 

[Player-1]

wario vs diddy is +1 wario's favor easily


anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot

 

[Iota]

You're just salty cause you lose to Reflex constantly. I don't disagree with +1 though.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

It's even and reflex doesn't have to play it right because he can beat you any way he wants to

Why do you think wario has a slight advantage iota

 

[Iota]

Personal experience+what I've seen in sets and on the Wario boards. I wouldn't be able to explain the MU in depth properly to why I think it's his favor. I can see it as being even at the top level, but I don't think I've ever really seen a set truly showcasing a top level diddy playing a Wario of equal skill to persuade me to that opinion

 

[bubbaking]

Dang, I guess P-1 isn't a top Diddy.

#ShotsFired

 

[Iota]

P-1 sucks. He lost to Zinoto.

 

[bubbaking]

Aren't they both top Diddys?

 

[Internalyzed]

Yeah, but Zinoto beat Player-1 in a $1 money match.

Edit: MM was only for $1, not $100.

 

[bubbaking]

I'll be honest. I always thought Zinoto was better than P-1, even though he expressed profusely the opposite. I just thought that P-1 was still a really good Diddy main, despite being worse than at least three other Diddys (although only one of them still plays).

Edit: It's funny. Watching that MM makes me think of Mango vs PP. It's clear which one is more aggressive.

 

[Tesh]

Diddy Wario is pretty even. Could be 5 points either character's favor. Would likely be a 0 on the MU chart.

As for the waft window, it's not 30 seconds it's closer to a minute. The time you have from getting a Stage 3 Waft until Stage 4 is bout a minute.

Iono, its not much strong than a uair/fsmash at first so it wouldn't really be worth using instead of fsmash out of a banana combo anyway.

Reflex, Abadango, Glutonny, Waymas, and Sky are the best Warios imo. Diddy vs Wario transitions from horrible to evenish for Diddy from mid-top level.

I think Masha and Maguro are better than Sky though.

Aren't they both top Diddys?

Niether of them are top Diddys.

 

[Internalyzed]

Iono, its not much strong than a uair/fsmash at first so it wouldn't really be worth using instead of fsmash out of a banana combo anyway.

I think Masha and Maguro are better than Sky though.


Niether of them are top Diddys.

Masha and Maguro main :wariobrawl:? I thought Masha played :falcobrawl: with a little :sonicbrawl:, and Maguro mained :metaknightbrawl:.

Zinoto and Player-1 are the best American Diddys outside of Gnes (who is inactive) and ADHD.