Official BBR Tier List v7

[Iota]

Blastoise is the weakest of the three starters in 5th gen imo. Zard is pretty decent on drought teams.

 

[DMG]

Stealth Rock made Charizard poo

 

[Iota]

Run someone with rapid spin. Problem solved.

 

[ViperGold42]

Blastoise is the weakest of the three starters in 5th gen imo. Zard is pretty decent on drought teams.

you mean 1st gen. unless you're counting ALL OF THEM.

 

[Iota]

I meant of the 1st gen starters in 5th gen.

 

[Z'zgashi]

@Z'z: Was your last big post targeted at me? I play Pokemon competitively too, and my post clearly agreed with your sentiment. I know how the tier system works there, it gives otherwise obsolete Pokemon their own metagames to shine in. Pokemon doesn't even try to be balanced or has any semblance of balance, so the competitive community worked around it with their unique tier system. In fact, the last line of my post said that you CAN'T APPLY SMOGON'S SYSTEM TO SMASH. I don't think anybody was honestly advocating that, but I made my post anyway, just in case. I'll repeat it again, Smogon's tier system is more than different from Smash's tier system. Comparing Kyogre/Mewtwo/Arceus to MK just doesn't work.

Oh yeah, and anyone is welcome to get at me in Pokemon Showdown.

No it was at Dre and the others who were comparing Pokemon tiering and banning reasons to Smash.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Luco, every generation adds new moves item, and abilities and then retroactively go back and apply those new things to the old pokemon.

Zard, Blastoise and Venusaur dont have the same moves and abilities now that they had when the first gen came out because each generation adds stuff that affects them.

 

[DMG]

Run someone with rapid spin. Problem solved.

You know who used Rapid Spin?

Blastoise

Huehue

 

[Luco]

Luco, every generation adds new moves item, and abilities and then retroactively go back and apply those new things to the old pokemon.

Zard, Blastoise and Venusaur dont have the same moves and abilities now that they had when the first gen came out because each generation adds stuff that affects them.

When I last saw dre, gen 5 was out. I heard zard was still bad-ish. i could be remembering it badly. Dre?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Venusaur is pretty good.

Imo it goes:

Venusaur > Blastoise > Charizard

 

[Uncle]

I challenge you to a showdown!!!!!

You play too, Jebus?

I suppose playing pokemon as a side is a favourite past-time with bowsers?

Sorry i'm kidding, dre was the first person I met who told me he played pokemon competitively.

it also made me sad to hear that Charizard was the weakest of the three starters.

That's kinda true, at least three of us like Pokeymanz battling, lol. On a slightly related note, I've run a trollish UU team before with Blastoise, Torkoal, and Torterra on it. ALL HAIL THE TURTLE TRINITY! They're three of my favorite Pokemon, so I just had see what a team of all three of them would be like.

No it was at Dre and the others who were comparing Pokemon tiering and banning reasons to Smash.

Ah, ok. Just checking.

Also, I agree that Venusaur is good. Hell, all three of the fully evolved Gen 1 starters aren't useless at all. None of them are the best, but they can do work in the right teams in their respective tiers.

 

[Z'zgashi]

That's kinda true, at least three of us like Pokeymanz battling, lol. On a slightly related note, I've run a trollish UU team before with Blastoise, Torkoal, and Torterra on it. ALL HAIL THE TURTLE TRINITY! They're three of my favorite Pokemon, so I just had see what a team of all three of them would be like.

Y U NO USE CARRACOSTA

 

[DMG]

Zard would be fine without Stealth Rock. Requiring a Spinner that badly is trouble: the only Pokemon in OU with a 4x weakness once SR came on the scene are Volcarona and what Ninjask (which doesn't really count because he's a dedicated lead anyways). Yanmega for a short bit IIRC too, but SR quickly ruined him a bit as well

 

[Uncle]

Y U NO USE CARRACOSTA

****, I forgot all about Carracosta!

I guess he didn't come to mind because I had this whole TURTLE TRINITY idea solidly set in my mind, and Blastoise was already taking the role of water turtle. Still, that's no excuse!

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I have a carracosta :3

 

[infiniteV115]

the only Pokemon in OU with a 4x weakness once SR came on the scene are Volcarona and what Ninjask (which doesn't really count because he's a dedicated lead anyways). Yanmega for a short bit IIRC too, but SR quickly ruined him a bit as well

????
SR came into the competitive scene in 4th gen
Volcarona is a 5th gen pokemon

 

[Dre89]

When I last saw dre, gen 5 was out. I heard zard was still bad-ish. i could be remembering it badly. Dre?

But I only play RBY (first gen) competitively.

In that gen Zard isn't that good and Blastoise is the worst starter competitively. Although Squirtle is the best starter in-game and Charmander is the worst.

 

[DMG]

I meant in total for 4th and 5th Gen, not 4th Gen only. I probably should have worded it "since". My bad.

Point being, Pokemon with 4x and even 2x weakness to SR feel the impact. Rapid Spin doesn't Salvage Charizard it's too much.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Especially since one of the main Zard sets, Bellyzard, is completely shut down by SR.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

You play too, Jebus?

Yes I do

 

[Luco]

But I only play RBY (first gen) competitively.

In that gen Zard isn't that good and Blastoise is the worst starter competitively. Although Squirtle is the best starter in-game and Charmander is the worst.

Ohh, sorry, I couldn't remember. It has been about 8 months.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You guys are dumb. I've been a top 10 online player in my country for ~2 years in 386 [2006-2008; until Brawl came out, basically]. I understand the metagame WAY better than wanna-be know-it-alls like DMG or Surpreme Dirt. You could've definitely legalized Mewtwo in 386 and it would've worked. People are just whiny scrubs and want to ban everything that doesn't get tanked by their Skarm-Bliss-Suicune combo and the other half are whiny scrubs who want to ban even that. Mewtwo doesn't have a single moveset in 386 that can't be countered but it's OK. I let you people pretend that you know your stuff about a game you clearly don't know anything about.

 

[Dre89]

Gheb- Blissey is a wall, not a tank. You probably shouldn't insult people if you're going to make mistakes like that.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Every Pokemon has a counter, so obviously Mewtwo can be countered, lol.

 

[Dre89]

Honestly modern Ubers has enough Pokemon and viable non- Ubers that it could be the standard meta. It's just that Ubers started as a banlist in older gens when there weren't many pokemon in there so it couldn't be standard.

As for people saying MK is beatable, that's only if there is a decent skill gap between the players, and the same could be said for Ubers.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I dunno what you consider a decent skill gap, but Diddy Kong/Snake/Ice Climbers/Pikachu/Olimar/Falco/Fox/Marth all do pretty damn well in the match-up

To clarify I am pro-ban.

 

[Luco]

Hang on, why are we talking about an MK ban when there's no more URC? o.O

 

[NickRiddle]

Because people want MK banned.

 

[Luco]

Because people want MK banned.

Okay, ban him at your local tournament.

Problem solved, right?

 

[NickRiddle]

Okay, ban him at your local tournament.

Problem solved, right?

Okay, fine.
Some people want him Universally banned, so banning him in their region would not negatively affect National performance.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Then how about you have a vote throughout the community and see what the majority wants?

Oh wait, we tried that, then the Admins of this site decided to shut down the URC which was enforcing the ban.

 

[RaptorTEC]

Won't ever happen. MK isn't even a big deal tbh.

 

[Z'zgashi]

^ I agree

 

[RaptorTEC]

And to clarify, for those that think MK legal gets more people, I run tournament locals called Impact in NY/NJ where I let attendees vote for the ruleset. Biggest one got 52 people and MK banned always gets more votes then the other 2 options combined. I might be against the ban, but I also don't like people stating lies to back up their argument.

 

[Dre89]

I think a universal ban is silly because regions who don't want him banned shouldn't have to ban him because people outside their region voted for it.

I just don't understand how people can justify MK being legal from a competitive standpoint.

 

[Life]

Wonder if URC is coming back now that AZ is buying Smashboards. I remember he was a big part of it and now he's calling the shots.

 

[da K.I.D.]

If i learned anything from this discussion its that i made the right choice and to stick to my guns regarding the events that I run

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb- Blissey is a wall, not a tank. You probably shouldn't insult people if you're going to make mistakes like that.

are you kidding me

 

[Life]

For once I'm with gheb on that. Having different terminology for physically and specially oriented tanks/walls/sponges/whatevers is kinda silly.

 

[deepseadiva]

Gheb- Blissey is a wall, not a tank. You probably shouldn't insult people if you're going to make mistakes like that.

Yea Gheb! Get your **** straight!