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Official BBR Tier List v6
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Fuujin
Smash Champion
Her airspeed is nullified by her having arguable the worst air game of the entire roster and her wanting to stay on the ground as much as she can.
Overall I'd say she's the 3rd slowest character, right above Ganondorf and Dedede.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Snake though.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
As far as speed or having the worst air game?
Snakes is really bad, but considering pretty much all of his aerials are kill moves I think that redeems it a little bit.
Zelda's air game just ends up being mediocre and thats only when it's on big characters.
Her air game is almost useless against small fast characters.
Both have a really bad air game though.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Zelda has bair/fair, he air game is fine lol. Its not good by any means, but she at least can **** your face in the air with a lightning kick.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Dat theorycrafting.
Lightning kicks are pretty much useless against Squirtle, Kirby, MK, Olimar, TL, Pikachu, etc.
The usefulness of LKs is match up dependent, and it ranges to being not very good, to somewhat useful.
Also F air isn't a very good move.
In almost any given situation it's better to use B air.
Damix91
Smash Journeyman
He's talkin bout SnakeI refuse to listen to someone who thinks Zelda's Nair can be SDI'd sorry.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
If someone positions themselves to get Fair'd or Bair'd when 
is above them then you just fail at brawl. Go for under, not to the sides.
is above them then you just fail at brawl. Go for under, not to the sides.
Oh.
Okay I suck at reading.
My apologies. <3
Edit: It's almost as if the Zelda players these guys are playing just chuck out random fairs and bairs for the to be powershielded.
Best used for punishing OoS imo.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
I don't think people realize how small the sweet spots on her LKs are, or that they only last for 1 frame.
Hence why we don't chuck them out randomly.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Gimping with a non-LK fair/bair/dair is hilarious though
If someone was Godly enough to perfectly position and time for LKs Zelda would be a whole different story. Her air game is not completely terrible though. She has one of the strongest, if not the strongest uair in the game. Nair is also decent and can interrupt a lot of stuff.
Can her fmash/usmash be SDIed out of? I think I got out of her usmash once but can't remember how.
Can her fmash/usmash be SDIed out of? I think I got out of her usmash once but can't remember how.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
This logic can be applied to any character in the game :/.
Ie: If someone was Godly enough to perfectly read the tech chase from every flame choke Ganondorf does Ganondorf would be a whole different story.
or
If someone was Godly enough to perfectly read their opponents openings and punish with rest every chance they got Jigglypuff would be a whole different story.
F smash yes.
Up Smash is character dependent.
I think Zelda has the best uair knockback wise. It's also disjointed which is good.
I think Olimar's uair does more damage though with most Pikmin.
I think Olimar's uair does more damage though with most Pikmin.
How do you SDI her Fsmash?
And fair point but remember that this changes Zelda much more than say Ganon getting a few more tech chases in. Top Ganon players already get a lot of them in. But no one relies on from what I've seen, Zelda's LKs for damage or killing.
I'm certainly a firm believer in player skill and MU knowledge being >>>Tiers.
And fair point but remember that this changes Zelda much more than say Ganon getting a few more tech chases in. Top Ganon players already get a lot of them in. But no one relies on from what I've seen, Zelda's LKs for damage or killing.
I'm certainly a firm believer in player skill and MU knowledge being >>>Tiers.
Spam up as much as you can on both sticks
Fuujin
Smash Champion
I like how you left out the part about random trajectory.
Edit: Like Cour said SDI upward with both Sticks.
Depends on your character though.
John12346
Smash Master
Ivysaur might have a more knockback heavy Uair than Zelda, but it's hard to say either way.
They both hit like a truck regardless.
They both hit like a truck regardless.
It is set knockback with a set trajectory. It ain't random.
Edit: Zelda's up air has the most knockback in the game.
IIRC it beats Ivy's significantly.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Oh ya, it's just that you have to be in a certain postion when landing it on the oppnent, yo land a certain amount of hits before they pop out and it's only viable on certain characters amiright?It is set knockback with a set trajectory. It ain't random.
You can do it on hits 1-4, it's easy to do and you can follow up pretty much every character in the game with something (not necessarily up smash).
Tbh, you should be more worried about them shielding Nair since its priority sucks and is so punishable. lawl
Tbh, you should be more worried about them shielding Nair since its priority sucks and is so punishable. lawl
Ussi
Smash Legend
Did you really think he thought Zelda was male?I refuse to listen to someone who thinks Zelda's Nair can be SDI'd sorry.
How many people keep thinking everything is about Zelda? This is the 2nd time....
Edit doh I did not see the page after lol sorry :X
IIRC he was saying Sheik was a guy not too long ago so...
Fuujin
Smash Champion
So you mean there's a guaranteed way to make them pop up out of the first 4 hits?
It's always like playing rock, paper, scissors whenever I try to follow up from it.
Becuz she's an awesum character
Yeah, there's always 4 different set trajectories, the first two are the best since they keep them really close to Zelda, first hit is in alway what side they're on Zelda, so if you hit them from behind, the first hit will be behind, the second drags them in front, the third and forth hits follow the same pattern, but they're a tad more difficult to follow up on.
Edit: Actually take a look at Mechawaves bubble thread. The attack assuming you hit from in front. and you're falling, goes front, back, down, up. The attack basically moves the opponent to the next hitbubble.
Badly explained but w/e lawl
Edit: Actually take a look at Mechawaves bubble thread. The attack assuming you hit from in front. and you're falling, goes front, back, down, up. The attack basically moves the opponent to the next hitbubble.
Badly explained but w/e lawl
smashkng
Smash Lord
So is Ike's Uair the 2nd strongest knockback wise? I've once killed an MK with Ike's Uair at 70% LOL.
Me? Sheik is soooo not a guy.IIRC he was saying Sheik was a guy not too long ago so...
Ussi
Smash Legend
Ivy, Zelda and i think Bowser have stronger uairs. I know Ike has the 4th strongest.
hichez50
Smash Lord
Shiek is a guy played by a girl. Think of it like acting when a female plays a guy character.
It would seem from the below link, that under certain circumstances, Lucario has the strongest uair. Otherwise, the most consistent "strongest" uair would appear to be Zelda's. (Strongest knockback rather than percent wise)
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=119538&page=1
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