weegeezilla
Smash Rookie
zelda with her match ups could actually be where yoshi is right now, just saying. link could be a bit higher also
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Ussi
Smash Legend
I know he beat Coney, GDX, and whoever else was in his pool. He got first seed.
Think he beat Chaz (? this was something i heard on livestream as a maybe) then lost to Razor and Smoom
Think he beat Chaz (? this was something i heard on livestream as a maybe) then lost to Razor and Smoom
No her MUs are doo doo
NAKAT
Smash Champion
My boy Zeton beat Tyrant <3
Let's not forget that win against KPrime :3
NAKAT
Smash Champion
Oh yea Pikachu :D. Gonna have him explain to me how to win that. I hope he has videos.
Illmatic also impressed me. Homie put in some work that Peach needed, good job Illmatic.
I got 5th today at DNA in NE. Went last hit with my best friend :3.
Ussi
Smash Legend
Prime was dumb game 1
game 2 is what shoulda happened game 1
game 3 is pictochat
/primedidn'tdoitrightjohns
Also Will got gimped by the line on livestream, everyone was like he deserved it too
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
Guys, I'm not good at this game. That's why my SDI sucks. Seeing is believing.
Conviction
Human Nature
Zeton my boy
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I agree with most of this.to what
yeah I love japans rules XD
Best lucario in maybe knowing the characters ins and outs? maybe
Lee Martin is definitely smarter than the rest though.
This
I think Japans olimars **** ours outside of RB though
/has another chance next weekend
LOOOOL
Lee Martin is definitely a smarter player, I mean the amount of characters he's able to pull out at a high level is incredible, and while I feel he really pulls out Lucario for mere novelty, it's still a really, really solid Lucario lol. The reason he loses so much that he shouldn't, as lucario, is merely because he doesn't invest in his game for a matter of development, just as an option, whereas he's a true MK main through and through (which is ultimately the smartest choice lol). I definitely think Junebug's the best though, although there's just a gap that he's shy of getting from becoming a contender in the "national theater" (although he's pulled off some great wins time and time again).
And yeah, most of the Japanese Olimars are insane, as are their snake players.
I think Rain is just slightly overrated though. Really inconsistent with how he performs, though ultimately has a really smart playstyle.
This will all be settled once and for all when SunRise happens...
Oh wait
Orion*
Smash Researcher
I honestly haven't checked out their snakes. Any good matches you would link me to ?I agree with most of this.
Lee Martin is definitely a smarter player, I mean the amount of characters he's able to pull out at a high level is incredible, and while I feel he really pulls out Lucario for mere novelty, it's still a really, really solid Lucario lol. The reason he loses so much that he shouldn't, as lucario, is merely because he doesn't invest in his game for a matter of development, just as an option, whereas he's a true MK main through and through (which is ultimately the smartest choice lol). I definitely think Junebug's the best though, although there's just a gap that he's shy of getting from becoming a contender in the "national theater" (although he's pulled off some great wins time and time again).
And yeah, most of the Japanese Olimars are insane, as are their snake players.
I think Rain is just slightly overrated though. Really inconsistent with how he performs, though ultimately has a really smart playstyle.
This will all be settled once and for all when SunRise happens...
Oh wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZj4F9wrpMI honestly haven't checked out their snakes. Any good matches you would link me to ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOSPZmfgbqE
Against Snake's so-called "bad" match-ups.
The only link that could possibly move higher is toon link.
Regular link is just straight up trash.
I really like the way Japans Snakes Playhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZj4F9wrpM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOSPZmfgbqE
Against Snake's so-called "bad" match-ups.
But nothing impresses me more then how consistent all there Ic Players are, at most they drop 2 grabs a set, pretty crazy.
japans snakes are amazing but I don't see how those are supposed to change anyones view of matchups, in both examples the DDD/olimar are getting horrendously outplayed. an olimar losing to snake should honestly feel pretty bad about themselves.
Maybe the Snake is just that good Or possibly knows the MU that well
Seeing how brood is the same guy who Beat Ally (2 stocking him back to back)
shu is amazing, I said that lol. I still watch that and see the first stock having basically 2 key moments between brood ****** him and losing, first when he decides it would be a great idea to fight snake at point blank rather than running away, and second when he trips.
Then why should a player feel bad when they get out-played.
The Snake vs OLI MU is defo closer then it seems.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
i do think snake vs ddd is pretty even
but LOL brood got outplayed pretty bad XD
I do remember rain telling everyone he thought japans snakes where better after seeing ally play brood. But then again rain got ***** by ally so he may have been a bit salty
9Bs playstyle is so optimal with every character >_>
Also, I'd like to add that 9B wasn't being "horrendously outplayed" at all. He was simply walled off by Snake using grenades effectively. If DDD's mobility isn't enough to get through on BF, how is he supposed to do it on any other neutral? As long as DDD doesn't establish a SOLID lead he does not win the match-up period. And if Snake avoids the CG DDD also loses the majority of his legit kill set-ups.
BF actually closes off a lot of his movement, but it's a double edged blade because if you go somewhere more open like FD it gives snake an assload of space to camp. I do think DDD vs snake is a close to even MU, the comment was mostly directed at olimar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVRK9xnlWy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvJiTIKfOdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-pxt6ZYGY
Since Brood apparently isn't good enough.
it's more that shu is too good, watched the first vid and he basically just hard reads him to death at the beginning of the game and it still winds up being close somehow -_- I'm more curious to see other snake players doing well vs top olimars, I've seen shu used as an example before but I've only seen him really
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOKz0gVEvJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0WYOhnyUw&feature=related
5th best Snake in Japan at best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0WYOhnyUw&feature=related
5th best Snake in Japan at best.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
This is one of the match-ups where the difference in metagame really shows. Olimar beats snake at midrange solidly and snake has no real threats for him at that range, while olimar has tons of threats in that range. Yet the olimar insisted on camping on the opposite side of the stage or at the very least outside of olimar's sweet spot.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVRK9xnlWy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvJiTIKfOdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I-pxt6ZYGY
Since Brood apparently isn't good enough.
Midrange he can pressure snake into mistakes, close range snake beats him, long range he can't really setup, all he can do is toss. But snake can actually setup threats.
But Japan's metagame of always being safe no matter what hinders olimar in this MU, the american mentality of "pressure your opponent into mistakes" serves olimar much better in this MU.
No johns, he got the CG off 2 stocks out of 3 every match.
Conviction
Human Nature
Why don't we just let K prime speak for himself instead of people jumping up for him
Orion*
Smash Researcher
Pretty much my thoughts
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
if you play pikachu and lose to fox, you got MASSIVELY outplayed, but i hope we can all realise now that the matchup isnt impossible or autolose.
Does pikachu have a guaranteed CG-> death on fox? If not, I could see fox at least having a chance as long as pikachu tries to struggle for the kill.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
D-throw > footstool> one quick-attack to lock > one jab if not SDIed > anything.
If the QA is SDIed, you can just u-smash after the QA.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
its a cg to like 100 and than a guaranteed up smash that doesnt kill. if you get the grab at 0.
pikachu does have to try pretty hard to kill fox. and fox gets super easy kills on pika.
pikachu does have to try pretty hard to kill fox. and fox gets super easy kills on pika.
Thanks, NR! When I saw Kprime's match, it seemed he was either hesitant to pull it off, or confident enough to take the stock by traditional methods.
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i think he was saying outside of the chaingrab, he really didn't know how to fight fox.
if you lose any match you got outplayed, unless the matchup is like -3 the opponents favor.
Yeah, I saw ESAM do that against Trump, though I'm not sure whether or not you can escape it.
It's not that hard..............
All you have to know how to do is how to grab him and how to kill him.
Though I'll admit Zeton got a few lucky moments in matches 1 & 3.
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