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Some people get down and agree on some.I think it really depends on the stagelist because depending on the stagelist you can CP oli really really well. While Lucario's best stages are all good wario stages.
But Lucarios never agree on matchups so lol.
Lotsa people on your boards :VFox vs Lucario is even who said it was 4-6?
Luc boards say even to 55-45 fox :/Fox Lucario definitely isn't significantly in Foxes favor if at all...Where do the Lucario boards get these numbers?
EVEN with DK? Wat?
Fox deals with aura much easier than most characters because the first mistake past 110 or so is an upsmash kill.oh yeah I just read the thread but I don't agree. We win the camp game but you get stronger wit heach laser that hits you. I think the reason why its so difficult to make a MU rate for Lucario is that people don't take seriously the boosts that Lucario gets when he is losing
Love ya steam.Zelda deals with aura much easier than most characters because the first mistake past 110 or so is an LK kill.
You underestimating Zelda too much steam =/.Zelda can't punish anything nearly as well as Fox can with Usmash.
Plus Lucario actually has to approach Fox. and fox actually has a degree of versitility
IDK how Zelda's supposed to force any mistakes out of Lucario. It's kinda Lucario that does that to her in that MU >_>You underestimating Zelda too much steam =/.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you think Lucario can throw out whatever move and be safe that's not even close to being the case.IDK how Zelda's supposed to force any mistakes out of Lucario. It's kinda Lucario that does that to her in that MU >_>
you do realize that zelda's dtilt clashes with all of your normals on the ground and it beats out your jab....buttttttttttt whatever Zelda sucks.he can't do anything he wants but has a lot safer options on Zelda than fox
Don't forget ZSS, Wolf, Pit, and Mario.yeah it's really hard to get a gauge from non Lucarios too because everyone thinks they beat Lucario.
Fox, DK aren't 4-6 lmao
Fox boards had almost every Fox saying 6-4 Fox's favor.Fox vs Lucario is even who said it was 4-6?
Pit? really?Don't forget ZSS, Wolf, Pit, and Mario.
Fox boards had almost every Fox saying 6-4 Fox's favor.
I'm pointing at the ones who are saying he loses to Wolf, even if most say it is even which it is.Pretty sure it's considered even with the rest of the Wolfs.
Don't be pointing fingers, Ryu. :3
I'd say even to slight Luc advantage. Only in luc's favor because of pit's difficulty of getting killsWhat's your opinion on Lucario vs. Pit?
I'd say the same, but more because of Aura than anything.I'd say even to slight Luc advantage. Only in luc's favor because of pit's difficulty of getting kills
Didn't see this before, but thanksyeah, it's that bad
it doesn't seem so terrible at first, i agree, and logistically it makes sense; ddd takes a ton of damage but doesn't die, ddd racks up a ton of damage and kills early
the issue comes, though, in that ddd just can't kill reliably. mk avoids all of his kill moves. the timeout system also hurts ddd in that if he's behind in % (which he almost always will be, considering mk's early damage racking ability), he ALWAYS has to approach, which only tacks on more damage for a character who has trouble approaching anyway.
worse yet, where can you even take MK? your best stage in the MU is FD, but they'll ban that. so you wanna go to smashville, right? good luck striking to a small, flat stage. mk solidly beats ddd on every stage, but those two are the only ones that at least give you a chance to get away and breathe when he starts messing up your shield.
it's definitely his worst matchup when played right. **** sucks.
I know that doesn't however, that doesn't mean that X character shoot downs all of her options. When Zelda dtilt comes out frame 5 and clashes with all of lucario's ground moves and beats his jab it should tell you something.Noooooo please don't start this again AL
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EDIT: Actually, no, I need some entertainment. I'm bored right now.
Btw, Dtilt doesn't win matches!! And it doesn't automatically make her decent in a matchup.
That's what this game is all about both of us spacing properly I already know that Lucario's out ranges Zelda however, it's up to me to be able to get in the range of my moves and be able to punish your moves. Lucario really isn't limiting Zelda's options or ability to punish.actually it won't if luc spaces it right since aura hitboxes can't be clashed with. But that's not what I'm talking about lol
Zelda doesn't get a free kill off of whiffed Fsmash for example
Pit's bair is also incredibly telegraphed. and he won't be sweetspotting bairs if Lucario plants himself on the ground and isn't stupid. Lucario might also be able to beat out Pit's bair with his own aerials. Either way a Lucario that's aware won't get killed by sweetspot bair.Lucario's floatiness makes it easier for Pit to kill Lucario because it gives more openings to land a b-air. Killing isn't a huge problem in this matchup
I kinda doubt it.I've been told that Zelda can SH over the fsmash.
yeah doesn't Fsmash come outon frame 6 like Luc's fastest ground move that hits in front of him (jab)? stuuuupid. Luc can outrange it with Fsmash though, no idea what else. though thank god light arrows can be clashed with otherwise this MU would suck.Killing luc has never been the problem in this match up for me. If I can't land a B-air Fsmash can do the job fresh. I'd say goes even or close.
Yeah, it comes out frame 6-8. I actually really enjoy playing against Lucario (luc).yeah doesn't Fsmash come outon frame 6 like Luc's fastest ground move that hits in front of him (jab)? stuuuupid. Luc can outrange it with Fsmash though, no idea what else. though thank god light arrows can be clashed with otherwise this MU would suck.