Official BBR Tier List v5

[Savon]

Is there a video of it somewhere?

 

[Pikabunz]

It's just a dthrow cg standing on the ledge. ESAM will probably make a vid of it tomorrow.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Oh, yeah. Falco has that too on a few characters. Most noteable TL on a ledge. If falco grabs TL on the ledge facing away from it, he can CG him in place when other wise he could not. Works on platform ledges too. Something about ledge reduces knockback. Although, for falco it is not that big of a deal since it is so rare to get it to work. I guess pikachu can do something like that too now.

 

[-LzR-]

Has there been any recent talk about Marth? Is he still toptier?
I mean that Marth is really difficult to use effectively and has a few weaknesses like a crappy dair and few reliable killmoves.

And his MU with MK. How is it now... I remember it being damn hard in 09-10 time. But didn't it get kinda better recently? Has Marth placed anywhere recently? Should he rise/drop? Who should rise/fall above/below him?

I really haven't seen much discussion about him and I would like to see if he still deserved his toptier status.

 

[Psychoace]

I think he does decently against metaknight from what I saw mikehaze do at dallas. grab release -> spike

 

[Tesh]

I think he is a little better than Pikachu. You might see some average ones here and there, but there are only a couple of ones that really know what they are doing.

 

[DMG]

Marth IMO is in the right spot on the tier list. He's clearly better than characters like Olimar, Dedede, Lucario, etc and he will always be better than them. Marth is really solid if you focus on his fundamentals and aren't trying to beat your opponent to a bloody pulp.

He'll probably remain the cutoff for top tier, unless you bump Pika up with the big boys, but he'll always feel like the true cutoff.

 

[Browny]

Marf doesnt deserve to be in a tier with diddy or falco (IDK if youd put snake with those 2)
I feel its outright ridiculous that diddy and marth could ever share a top tier rofl, they are further apart than MK is to anyone else. I dont see why there is this general idea that the tiers should be larger. tbh Marf doesnt deserve a whole tier above Pikachu/Olimar/Lucario but if that meant putting those characters in the same league as Wario...

MK
diddy falco (snake)
(snake) Wario IC's Marf Oli/DDD/pika/luc/zss [NOT IN ANY ORDER]
TL/G&W etc.

IMO.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Olimar has better potential to actually win a tourney than Marth imo.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

How is falco any good at staying where he is? He has two hard counters. ICs and Pikachu. It's even easy enough to practice very little with pikachu and still **** falco over.

He loses to ledge camping as he has to take a huge risk to counter it unless he has stock/percentage leads. And he gets further messed over by stages that are not neutral. I am surprised no one is thinking of falco like snake. He should be lower or something like that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

ICs don't hard counter Falco. In fact, they hardly counter him at all.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I always saw Falco as top 4 material, probably just me being Yoshi since all he has to do, while in a stock lead, is Camp with lasers and side-B when we try to approach.

Oh yeah, and about that Chaingrab Xeylode.

 

[Pikabunz]

It's even easy enough to practice very little with pikachu and still **** falco over.

That's far from true.

 

[Laem]

falco is, in fact, rubbish without a LGL

so if the BBR continues to be stupid with the ruleset(no LGL) <-> tierlist, he should in fact drop.
Unless they dropped that attitude already, which i kinda doubt.

and regarding SDI, i would much like some1 to link me a vid of socal consistently punishing TKD's fair on hit, which is just one of the examples of omg SDI > all

 

[Browny]

Because falco is always going to be behind in % right?

Its not like he has safe ways to repeatedly damage the enemy, a powerful chaingrab and overall a very good character such that getting a % lead is extremely hard for him...

 

[Laem]

Because falco is always going to be behind in % right?

Its not like he has safe ways to repeatedly damage the enemy, a powerful chaingrab and overall a very good character such that getting a % lead is extremely hard for him...

admittedly obviously falco is still falco
but honestly, we're talking equal skill and there's NO GUARANTEE AT ALL that falco will have the % lead.
And if he doesn't, without an LGL and a willing opponent, he basically loses as the opponent just jumps and grabs the ledge continously until falco attempts to do a drop off aerial in which the odds of surviving are definitely....tragic.

 

[Orion*]

I wonder why all the annoying stuff is called "gay".

There is nothing homosexual about it and I think it's pretty disrespectful against homosexuals.

Why don't we call all suicidemoves Muslims?
Why don't we call hit n run tactics Jehovas then?

I guess we need a better word for that D:

I support this 100%.

same

omg thats amazing

lzr da bess

"Gheb_01 Olimar has better potential to actually win a tourney than Marth imo."

marth has a way better matchup spread and is more consistent than olimar ._.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That salt!

 

[Luigi player]

falco is, in fact, rubbish without a LGL

so if the BBR continues to be stupid with the ruleset(no LGL) <-> tierlist, he should in fact drop.
Unless they dropped that attitude already, which i kinda doubt.

and regarding SDI, i would much like some1 to link me a vid of socal consistently punishing TKD's fair on hit, which is just one of the examples of omg SDI > all

Even if you don't punish Fox' fair by SDIing out of it you can still take less % and be in a much better position (not to mention that Fox probably still has to complete his fair and you can try to punish him or at least pressure him somewhat).

Too bad SDI won't help much against Marth.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

SDI can tremendously help against his Dancing Blade.

 

[Yikarur]

or you do the LP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ZkrkeUwCI#t=1m40

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

He daired to use the DB4 down lol

 

[da K.I.D.]

or you do the LP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ZkrkeUwCI#t=1m40

wtf?

how did he do that?

It looked like he super armored one or two of the stabs.

 

[Yikarur]

he uaired out of it, they traded hits with Dancing Blade's hit having almost no hitstun to fair

 

[da K.I.D.]

wow really? thas mad broken yo.

 

[Espy Rose]

And that's why Dancing Blade down4 sucks. :D

 

[Flayl]

How do you go from mashing UAir to immediately FAir'ing after a trade?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

How do you go from mashing UAir to immediately FAir'ing after a trade?

Timing it well, I guess.

 

[Flayl]

So basically it's something I'll never be able to do ever lol

 

[_Kadaj_]

It's extremely hard to SDI out of Dancing Blade when Marth uses the right variations because some of them have properties to pull you towards him

 

[Poltergust]

Wait, I thought Dancing Blade had transcendent priority?

 

[Orion*]

That salt!

i think youre using it in the wrong context?

How do you go from mashing UAir to immediately FAir'ing after a trade?

real talk was that planned ? LOL

 

[da K.I.D.]

@ polt

It does, all of marths b moves do.

But just because It cant clank with anything, doesnt mean it cant trade.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yeah Polt all of Marth's B moves do lol

 

[Poltergust]

Wait, so he hit Marth with a u-air the same moment he got hit, then f-aired Marth immediately afterwards since there was no hit-stun in DB?

Wow... o.o

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yeah lmao DB down is kinda bad unless they are close to the ledge

 

[Laem]

Too bad SDI won't help much against Marth.

fairly ironic that of all people you say this

teach us to do the LP :O :O

 

[Spelt]

SDI had nothing to do with that.

 

[Luigi player]

SDI had nothing to do with that.

This.

Ramin just used his last DB move too late (or it is just too slow and bad since everyone is saying that?) so that I could do an uair before he hit me.

I have a really hard time SDIing out of DB (because I'm mostly on the ground when I get hit and I try to SDI up most of the time which doesn't work if you're grounded ... ) and it's like the only move you can SDI besides his nair... and you can't even SDI tippers. :\

Edit: Okay I guess I was wrong and you can SDI all his tippers except from fsmash.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I definitely got grab release tipper daired offstage by a marth and SDId it back onstage...

this was like 2 days ago.