Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[Tarmogoyf]

God you're all terrible machamp isn't even useful anymore.

RR is correct on both accounts too, except evasion boosting on abilities (sand veil, Snow cloak) is ok

 

[Yikarur]

in germany we had banned Garchomp + Sand Storm Pokemon in D/P/P

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Well, Garchomp was banned in general in america lol (Stupid Yache Berry)

Yeah, IMO evasion boosts are stupid, but then, Stone edge is too. You can't really do much about missing excpet deal w/ it

 

[Spelt]

getting hit with a poorly timed critical attack is way worse than a trip.
especially since you shouldn't really be running that much to begin with and brawl's metagame is in the air.

also, so glad stealth rocks isn't a TM anymore omg

 

[Laem]

guys
Brawl or just smash, please.
Competitive pokemon makes my head hurt.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

so ya. koolaid is maining pit again. just thought i'd throw that out there as soon pit will have a high level player showing people why he is good again

*throws down smoke bomb and disapears*

 

[ErikG]

so ya. koolaid is maining pit again. just thought i'd throw that out there as soon pit will have a high level player showing people why he is good again

Kool-Aid does really well in NE, but he tends to choke out of region.
Personally, I hope he does well next time he goes OoR with Pit.

 

[MVD]

so yeah I was looking at the Snake MU chart and.... ITS ALL LIES XD there are errors on that chart imo

 

[MVD]

bump for subscription lol

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

What do you see wrong with Snake'a numbers?

 

[Spelt]

He shouldn't be even with mk

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

hes not. it's listed as -1 against mk

 

[Spelt]

Well then.
I'll change my statement to nobody should be even with mk

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

Well then.
I'll change my statement to nobody should be even with mk

I agree, and if someone could enlighten me as to why Falco is even? Or considered even?

 

[Max Ketchum]

God you're all terrible machamp isn't even useful anymore.

RR is correct on both accounts too, except evasion boosting on abilities (sand veil, Snow cloak) is ok

You're also probably horrible at Pokemon. Money match?

 

[Steam]

I've asked that too... due to MKs CPs on falco... Falco has to have an advantage on neutrals for it to be even.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Horrible is an overstatement. Mediocre is more accurate.

And I am still of the opinion that Mach Punch really pushes conk over machamp

 

[Z'zgashi]

Scrafty > Machamp & Conk

 

[MVD]

I see Pikachu as being wrong its worse than -1 imo with my experience of the MU, I dont think he has a +1 against Diddy either I forgotwhat else I dont agree with im not looking at it atm

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

I've asked that too... due to MKs CPs on falco... Falco has to have an advantage on neutrals for it to be even.

Even then, I don't see Falco doing that well on neutrals to offset that.

 

[milesg2g]

It's weird how this list was made, and THEN the boards asked for our opinions on it lol.

 

[Kaffei]

I don't get why Falco is even with MK but not Fox.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It's because Falco is serious business and has nicer damage-racking potential, as well as a better teleportation device.

 

[Spelt]

Beam me up, Scotty.

 

[Kaffei]

It's because Falco is serious business and has nicer damage-racking potential, as well as a better teleportation device.

._.'' lo l

 

[Tarmogoyf]

scrafty > machamp & conk

so mad right now

 

[Max Ketchum]

Horrible is an overstatement. Mediocre is more accurate.

And I am still of the opinion that Mach Punch really pushes conk over machamp

Yes, Conkeldurr is "better" than Machamp, but Machamp is far from useless. He fills a very niche role as an anti-lead that Conkeldurr can't. When it comes to being a Bulk Up sweeper, yes, Conkeldurr is better at it, but that's not the ideal role for Machamp to play. You're effectively comparing apples and oranges at that point. The reason Conkeldurr is "better" (which is still subjective) is because Machamp really shines in the first slot of a team whereas Conkeldurr outperforms him in any of the other five.

Also, Bullet Punch Machamp isn't horrible. I hope he gets Mach Punch in Gray.

Scrafty > Machamp & Conk

rofl.

Scrafty is clinging to a bottom spot in OU at best, but lacks the power and priority of Conkeldurr and the power, type coverage and confusion of Machamp. Scrafty is another niche type of Pokemon that is a gimmicky slow/bulky sweeper without priority who can get rid of status or use Dragon Tail. His damage output sucks until he gets a few Bulk Ups in because he's forced to have defensive EV distribution. He also gets ***** head to head by both of them.

 

[Espy Rose]

Either your sarcasm detector is broken, or you just love talking, Doom.

Because of this, I hope Machamp never gets Mach Punch.

 

[DMG]

Machamp wouldn't be that broken with Mach Punch. He would have been more broken with it last gen than this Gen actually.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

pokemon is not designed to matter if a pokemon is better than another one. in fact it's based on certain pokemon being better than all the others. that's why legendaries even exist. pokemon was made to be a one player game. that's why it's on gameboy. i can't believe that it is even played competitively. although i've been out of the gameboy loop since ny gameboy color got stolen like 3 years ago. and since i never owned an advance i've actually been out for like 8 years. not to say i never borrowed my friend's advance and beat some games, but...... you know the more i type the more i wanna go out and get a new gameboy and start rocking the gameboy games again because i always loved my old game boy games. i think im gonna get a 3ds soon now.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Yes, Conkeldurr is "better" than Machamp, but Machamp is far from useless. He fills a very niche role as an anti-lead that Conkeldurr can't. When it comes to being a Bulk Up sweeper, yes, Conkeldurr is better at it, but that's not the ideal role for Machamp to play. You're effectively comparing apples and oranges at that point. The reason Conkeldurr is "better" (which is still subjective) is because Machamp really shines in the first slot of a team whereas Conkeldurr outperforms him in any of the other five.

Also, Bullet Punch Machamp isn't horrible. I hope he gets Mach Punch in Gray.

I'm surprised you didn't mention No Guard Dynamic punch lol. That's my favorite thing about Machamp actually, because it makes him far harder to switch in on (except ghosts with WoW obviously, **** that)

So yes, I was being overdramatic.

Maharba, you are sooo wrong lol. Being a legend means nothing. Yes Mewtwo is broken and a legend, but articuno sucks *** and is a legend. The 2 pokemon Doom and I are talking about Basically strictly outclass a trio of legends that just came out, yet neither are legendary

 

[jiovanni007]

pokemon was made to be a one player game. that's why it's on gameboy.

Terrible opinion that goes against fact. Fact is that Nintendo hyped link battles and multiplayer when they released RBY. Then gamefreak itself made an effort to put some sort of balance and depth into pokemon when they made the next games. Granted some things slipped through the cracks (CMCune in RSE, Specsmence in DPP) but since you can't patch game boy games, you can see they put forth the effort unlike Sakurai and Brawl.

 

[DMG]

I mean yeah. No Guard Machamp last gen was ****. Throw it in against something that has to switch, throw sub up, enjoy perfect coverage with Stone Edge/DP/Payback

 

[Z'zgashi]

Scrafty > Machamp and Conk

He's sexy.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Were gonna have to ban Utah from our tourney at this rate ZZ

While nintendo doesn't patch their games per-se, they make a new one every year, updating a bunch of stuff (accuracy of moves mostly), and adding to movepools to counteract broken stuff (mostly, Yache Chomp never got a legit counter in gen 4)

 

[Z'zgashi]

I don't mean competetivly, I mean on an epicness chart.

Scrafty is the coolest pokemon of all time. OF ALL TIME.

 

[Sariku]

Scrafty > Machamp and Conk

He's sexy.

This. Scrafty is love.<3

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

Pokemon. The only thing that game does well is annoy me with my opponent always landing critical hits on me and weren't even using Focus Energy. Or how my attacks miss like 5-6 times in a row when I get hit with 1 blasted Sand Attack yet I do the same 4-6 times and they still hit me...

 

[Z'zgashi]

Scrafty can use Sand Attack.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

I don't mean competetivly, I mean on an epicness chart.

Scrafty is the coolest pokemon of all time. OF ALL TIME.

Even worse