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escro

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thanks for the explaination but i seriously doubt his actions were in any way malicious in the way you described "doing whatever he can to tear people down".

does this mean that every time we (or anyone) decides to post a sarcastic remark about anything we are subject to a potential infraction or ban from mods who don't know us, or our extremely awesome sense of humour that obviously doesn' get conveyed on the internet?

what
 

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If you're wanting to argue your case and possibly appeal against the decision, posts such as that one won't be working in your favour. Post calmly and constructively.
 

Zero

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So some no name moderator, who has nothing to do with /our/ community, jumps in and dishes out a permanent ban on one of /our/ community's most valuable people, for zero reason. After which we're fed some non-specific garbage about his 'constant negative behaviour' and how he 'tears people down' and makes them 'leave the site'. Please, spare us the canned nonsense. Anyone who's been here for more than ten seconds knows that it is complete and utter bull****.

Luke is a cornerstone of our Australian Smash community, respected, liked and cared for by the vast majority of active members. The massive uproar that this has brought up is demonstrative proof that this is the case. To come here and enforce this ludicrous ban on the whims of some cherry picked 'negative behaviour' is simply ridiculous.

This is why no one respects Smashboards moderators. Your complete lack of discretion when applying the 'Smashboards greater will' destroys any semblance of community that we, the people, have created, and we don't appreciate you doing it. And now we all see why we're considering moving elsewhere.
 

Mic_128

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thanks for the explaination but i seriously doubt his actions were in any way malicious in the way you described "doing whatever he can to tear people down".

does this mean that every time we (or anyone) decides to post a sarcastic remark about anything we are subject to a potential infraction or ban from mods who don't know us, or our extremely awesome sense of humour that obviously doesn' get conveyed on the internet?

what
Well, if you're doing it over an extensive period of time, have a number of people report your behaviour, and ignore all infractions and temp-bans relating to it, then yes. If you're not, then you're fine. I think I can trust you to use your judgement on the difference.


So some no name moderator, who has nothing to do with /our/ community, jumps in and dishes out a permanent ban on one of /our/ community's most valuable people, for zero reason. After which we're fed some non-specific garbage about his 'constant negative behaviour' and how he 'tears people down' and makes them 'leave the site'. Please, spare us the canned nonsense. Anyone who's been here for more than ten seconds knows that it is complete and utter bull****.
Really? So luke's a nice guy, never insults anyone and gets along with all in the community? The reason I'm being non-specific is because it's site policy to discuss the specifics of bannings with that person only. It's a privacy issue. If Luke wants to make a thread in Forum Support about it we'll be glad to give him solid details and specifics, and if he wants to then share it, that's his decision.

Jungle was just the person who clicked the button. It was discussed in the senate and was a group decision. It wasn't someone just randomly clicking a room, randomly clicking a thread, randomly clicking a user and clicking ban.

Luke is a cornerstone of our Australian Smash community, respected, liked and cared for by the vast majority of active members. The massive uproar that this has brought up is demonstrative proof that this is the case. To come here and enforce this ludicrous ban on the whims of some cherry picked 'negative behaviour' is simply ridiculous.

This is why no one respects Smashboards moderators. Your complete lack of discretion when applying the 'Smashboards greater will' destroys any semblance of community that we, the people, have created, and we don't appreciate you doing it. And now we all see why we're considering moving elsewhere.
Chu-dat, HugS and now luke, have all had people claiming they're "cornerstones of our community." No one's ever denied that. However, they had also been rude, crude and disruptive. Harrasment doesn't get overlooked because they're good at smash, or host tournaments. As for 'people have been considering moving elsewhere', other than the people that had already been leaving because of the actions of luke and others, you've had a fairly lax moderation back here. If you're asking to have a full crackdown, we could probably find a good handful of infractions for people back here. Do either of us want that? Hell no.

If those that want the ability to continually harass entire segments of the Aussie smash community without repercussion want to move elsewhere, they're entirely welcome to. I don't think those who just want to discuss and run smash tournaments without the enmity would mind.
 

CAOTIC

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we need moderators who not only has the balls to infract and ban, but also someone who understands the community we're dealing with. i wouldn't necessarily defend luke for his posting style (which honestly IS damaging to those he targets -- i've banned him a bunch of times, lost count lol), but ultimately banning him is going to do more harm than good to the community. i think that's the responsibility important people have to bear when they post - commonsense really, especially on a forum that can be strict about its rules.

i've personally never perma-banned someone who i feel is legitimately valuable to the community, despite how crass their posts are. usually, a spate of quick-temp bans can bring people back into gear. that's the approach i prefer, but it is not always sustainable.

that kind of discretion is only possible if there's a moderator who is constantly following up on our threads, so i think things are going unchecked, leaving admins to step in and action infringements on face value.

also, i'm one of the folks who really appreciate what mic does -- his role is hugely misunderstood in our community imo.
 

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Mic is a bro.
I think people are taking this as a shocking turn of events, when realistically it was perhaps overly delayed or even grossly out of place considering the context of the time but I'm sure people agree that some degree of disciplinary action was needed... but as I said, perhaps a little too late.
 

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Really? So luke's a nice guy, never insults anyone and gets along with all in the community?
Well actually, yes, Luke IS a nice guy, gets along with (pretty much) all in the community, and I've never known him to insult anyone who wasn't asking for it in some way. So yeah...

Bad timing indeed.
 

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is anyone organising to bail out luke through the appropriate channels? if so, fill me in the loop. i'd like to see him back. i'm not a moderator anymore, but i can probably still help influence the outcome.

ted/luke/whoever else is involved or wants to be involved: get at me via PM
 

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Right, I feel deprived of brawl recently, so I'll look into organising a meet at my place some time during Stuvac (next week). What day works best for everyone?
 

escro

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not tuesday since i have exam.
i suppose not monday either since ill be cramming for said exam.
hmm i might have a meetup with friends on wed tho but thats kinda not really planned so w/e

=D
 

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When are people going to do something worthwhile and do Project SiddyThor?

I would love to 0-death people with Link all day long.
i would love to be 0-death'd all day long by someone who actually knows **** about the game, all i need is a gcn->usb adapter
 

escro

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i have one, how else can i play OoT with a controller

dammit EA, you gotta do the OoT and MM virtual console thingo on my wii sometime
 

asianaussie

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don't worry guys, ill come up and show people that i absolutely cannot 0-death anybody with link

unless you stand still and let me sh f-air you and don't DI the ensuing u-smashes
 

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i believe someone actually did start something like that, last i checked (very long ago) it was pretty rudimentary tho.
 

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Yeah I heard someone was trying to do it too. I think it would need to be somewhat of a remake just keeping very similar mechanics of primarily the shield stun + low base knock back [primarily] with longer hit stun. I think it could keep charging smashes, fast falling with aerials and maybe spot dodging, but could still feel very similar.

i.e. everyone had kill throws (nearly)
broken hitboxes are legit,
full lag cancelling,
removal of air dodges and teching...
only smash di
 

ImperfeCt

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I think he's talking about dropping through a platform while shielding (which can be a bit tricky). Dropping the shield first would cost a lot more frames
 

Gords

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So guys bad news, i had an car accident on the way home from work just then, sooooo, i now have no car and likely no drivers license for an unspecified time starting from an unspecified time. excellent way to end an already bad week
but my meets will still be on(dates to be confirmed) just no lifts to my place or anywhere from me for that matter, however as a bonus to the first person to drive or the one with the most TVs there is now a free car spot in the car park for them.
 

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I never had trouble with shield platform drop in melee personally, it is pretty tricky in brawl though. although I suppose I did go from brawl to melee on that one.


gords -- sorry to hear that man, I hope it all gets resolved soon.
 

luxingo

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Right, I feel deprived of brawl recently, so I'll look into organising a meet at my place some time during Stuvac (next week). What day works best for everyone?
Your Stuvac is my final week of exams (I have one on Thursday and Friday), so I probably won't be there.
 
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