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[NSW] Boost: REBOOT - Sunday, the 11th of September 2011
- Thread starter Shaya
- Start date
Tournament every weekend until I can afford these:
($300 shoes)
($300 shoes)
Do it for me and I'll pay you $300 - $280.
iKiLLOTz
Smash Journeyman
I liked the whole "Amatuer Bracket" thing that happened at the last tourny.
Please do it again
Please do it again
Toby.
Smash Master
Can I enter the amateur bracket please
I'll use pokemon trainer as a handicap
I'll use pokemon trainer as a handicap
iKiLLOTz
Smash Journeyman
Squirtle only. His so bad -_-
YEAH NO TOBY, YOU ***.
yeah i'll probably run amateur bracket first thing I do.
Generally scheduling will be something like
1. Amateur Bracket Brawl Singles / Melee Singles (or doubles?)
2. Brawl Doubles / Melee Singles
3. Brawl Singles
yeah i'll probably run amateur bracket first thing I do.
Generally scheduling will be something like
1. Amateur Bracket Brawl Singles / Melee Singles (or doubles?)
2. Brawl Doubles / Melee Singles
3. Brawl Singles
iKiLLOTz
Smash Journeyman
BTW, is it the 4 top players in the Amatuer Bracket that go into the actual bracket?
SummonerAU
Smash Lord
Whatever makes the bracket nicer?
Rad
Smash Ace
Pools > Normal Bracket > Amateur Bracket
I might get further in an Amateur Bracket but to me it's all about versing the more experienced players. What happened last tourney? I beat two of the scrubby new guys then lost to patv and iKill who I'm (no complaint) always versing. Closer matches or not, I'd much rather get frustrated at Meteor Master's Sonic and then be cleanly three stocked by Tedeth (on my counterpick) than have a few more close games with patv's Diddy.
This is all personal opinion of course, but
BRING BACK POOLS
(then put me in the hardest pool)
I might get further in an Amateur Bracket but to me it's all about versing the more experienced players. What happened last tourney? I beat two of the scrubby new guys then lost to patv and iKill who I'm (no complaint) always versing. Closer matches or not, I'd much rather get frustrated at Meteor Master's Sonic and then be cleanly three stocked by Tedeth (on my counterpick) than have a few more close games with patv's Diddy.
This is all personal opinion of course, but
BRING BACK POOLS
(then put me in the hardest pool)
iKiLLOTz
Smash Journeyman
So what im getting from this is that You would rather get your *** handed to you by someone good then vs people around the same level as you and win?Pools > Normal Bracket > Amateur Bracket
I might get further in an Amateur Bracket but to me it's all about versing the more experienced players. What happened last tourney? I beat two of the scrubby new guys then lost to patv and iKill who I'm (no complaint) always versing. Closer matches or not, I'd much rather get frustrated at Meteor Master's Sonic and then be cleanly three stocked by Tedeth (on my counterpick) than have a few more close games with patv's Diddy.
This is all personal opinion of course, but
BRING BACK POOLS
(then put me in the hardest pool)
M
+9999999999
Did someone say DEATH POOLS?... oh I did? Just now? Rightio then.
I'm sorry if you get frustrated with the way I play Sonic, Rad. It's probably Ness main instinct to be as merciless against a Marth as possible. =/
Would be happy to give you some tips for both the Sonic and Ness matchup if you're ever after them.
EDIT: ikill, I believe what Rad is trying to say is, if he wants to further improve himself as a player, he'd much rather face more experienced players who more or less have a better understanding of what works and what doesn't etc, maybe pick up on those skills and learn first hand what the boards and the amateur bracket probably can't teach you.
I'm sorry if you get frustrated with the way I play Sonic, Rad. It's probably Ness main instinct to be as merciless against a Marth as possible. =/
Would be happy to give you some tips for both the Sonic and Ness matchup if you're ever after them.
EDIT: ikill, I believe what Rad is trying to say is, if he wants to further improve himself as a player, he'd much rather face more experienced players who more or less have a better understanding of what works and what doesn't etc, maybe pick up on those skills and learn first hand what the boards and the amateur bracket probably can't teach you.
Did I get it right Rad? 
Toby.
Smash Master
I used pikachu today and ran away a lot. It was pretty fun. That's my story.
Leisha
Top Tier Pillow
I actually didnt mind the Amateur bracket. I got more smash to play xD. As for playing good players, I could be making a biased opinion on this since i mostly have the chance to play ricky.
I wish I was good with pika :< I tried picking up but he failed immensely.
I wish I was good with pika :< I tried picking up but he failed immensely.
...Ellipsis...
Smash Lord
I played against pikachu today, there was a lot of running away and spamming and general cheapness, it was not fun. That's my story
Toby.
Smash Master
I killed you with thunder and it was fun.
SummonerAU
Smash Lord
Death pools?
**** that **** man
**** that **** man
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Toby can you teach me how to play Pika and jv 4 everyone?
Rad
Smash Ace
As Meteor Master says, it's not always about winning.
Hosting an Amateur Bracket separates the most skilled players from the least skilled players. What's the fastest way to get better? Verse the best people you can while trying the best you can. Hosting an Amateur Bracket just widens the gap.
Let's face it, I'm the most hopeless player in the entire NSW scene right now - getting better is my #1 priority.
10selfishmustgetbetters
Hosting an Amateur Bracket separates the most skilled players from the least skilled players. What's the fastest way to get better? Verse the best people you can while trying the best you can. Hosting an Amateur Bracket just widens the gap.
Let's face it, I'm the most hopeless player in the entire NSW scene right now - getting better is my #1 priority.
10selfishmustgetbetters
Toby.
Smash Master
Surely there's somebody worse than you Rad.
Conor - the trick is to use lots of thunder jolt.
Conor - the trick is to use lots of thunder jolt.
last tournament the normal bracket was meant to have ALL players in it.
Due to time I cut it down to top 5.
Hopefully that wouldn't happen next time around... but amateur bracket I think is a really good thing that should stay for a while.
Due to time I cut it down to top 5.
Hopefully that wouldn't happen next time around... but amateur bracket I think is a really good thing that should stay for a while.
swordsaint
Smash Master
Also I see tons of players who never improve (and I say that in a round about way... they keep a constant distance away from the people they play; they don't bridge the gap as others improve), even after getting brutalised by the best players over and over and over again.
Improvement comes from the mind first, then from practice; and by the "mind" I mean a ****ton of research, a ****ton of understanding how things work, etc etc. "Amateur" players should get the opportunity to play both similar levelled and better players. But I'm sure a player can vastly improve without being apart of the "normal" bracket.
If you're playing against me or ted and have no idea why you're losing then there's a problem, and you're not going to improve.
A lot of players in the scene aren't even overly competent with their characters yet. Hell even I know there's a million things I can do to improve my Marth personally.
And knowing how to improve is required before you can. It doesn't come magically unless you're talented; and even then you're going to get a huge shock and hit a wall if you don't even know things like angling your shield, platform cancelling, spacing, mix ups, etc etc.
Read zxv's interview recently in relation to all the questions about how he improved.
Do you do that?
Do you put in the work he did in so many ways?
He entered the smash scene ready to improve with a large and rich base of knowledge to go from.
What zxv did was exactly what I DID continuously and tirelessly up until July of last year. There's no cheap way out from just playing some good players and getting face rolled over and over.
Improvement comes from the mind first, then from practice; and by the "mind" I mean a ****ton of research, a ****ton of understanding how things work, etc etc. "Amateur" players should get the opportunity to play both similar levelled and better players. But I'm sure a player can vastly improve without being apart of the "normal" bracket.
If you're playing against me or ted and have no idea why you're losing then there's a problem, and you're not going to improve.
A lot of players in the scene aren't even overly competent with their characters yet. Hell even I know there's a million things I can do to improve my Marth personally.
And knowing how to improve is required before you can. It doesn't come magically unless you're talented; and even then you're going to get a huge shock and hit a wall if you don't even know things like angling your shield, platform cancelling, spacing, mix ups, etc etc.
Read zxv's interview recently in relation to all the questions about how he improved.
Do you do that?
Do you put in the work he did in so many ways?
He entered the smash scene ready to improve with a large and rich base of knowledge to go from.
What zxv did was exactly what I DID continuously and tirelessly up until July of last year. There's no cheap way out from just playing some good players and getting face rolled over and over.
...Ellipsis...
Smash Lord
I like my method of improvement of just waiting for Toby to research it, or telling me what to do. I'm too busy to look it up myself.
You get what's needed,
"you're doing this wrong"
"huh?"
"HERE YOU TWIT"
"OOOOHHH"
But you only understand the "here" because toby taught you all the lingo, terms, etc etc for you to actually get it.
"you're doing this wrong"
"huh?"
"HERE YOU TWIT"
"OOOOHHH"
But you only understand the "here" because toby taught you all the lingo, terms, etc etc for you to actually get it.
M
+9999999999
Didn't research a thing.
stfu scrub you know everything about this game.
Toby.
Smash Master
Liam you're a bad person.
I think that the Amateur bracket is really useful. It's going to help more than only having a normal bracket because almost all the good players will sandbag to conserve energy anyway.
Shaya makes a good point about improvement. To back up his point, let me say some things about stuff.
If I really want to help somebody improve, this is the format I tend to favour:
1. Play them with a variety of characters to get a feel for their skill level and bad habits.
2. Isolate 1 or 2 things for them to focus on. 1 should be a bad habit to stop, and the other should be an option that I was them to become better at punishing.
In Rad's case, his bad habit would probably be over committing to (forward) aerials. So I'd get him to force himself to retreat aerials more and avoid excessive fair.
The habit he should punish would be people landing into shield, specifically when they frequently air dodge into the ground. This is a common reflex among mid level players.
3. Play them again, intentionally adopting the habit that I've taught them to punish. Punish them if they don't fix their own habit.
4. Then get them to play people of their own skill level to further develop the lesson. Continuing the case of Rad, I'd get him to play iKill. The snake matchup forces marth to be super safe with his aerials, and Aaron has a personal habit of airdodging into shield.
Quickly watching a few friendly matches would yield further people with similar habits to practice on.
FINALLY, and most importantly: stuff like this only really works if you then go on to play a bunch of people (in tournament conditions!) you stand a chance against. There's no way Rad could apply these concepts to a match against somebody like Tedeth, because non perfect spacing will result in rapid death. The odds of a low level player actually understanding what is happening to them (and retaining that information, whilst desperately trying to avoid getting 3 stocked) are slim.
Baby steps. I'm tired.
Rad I hope you don't think I'm picking on you
I think that the Amateur bracket is really useful. It's going to help more than only having a normal bracket because almost all the good players will sandbag to conserve energy anyway.
Shaya makes a good point about improvement. To back up his point, let me say some things about stuff.
If I really want to help somebody improve, this is the format I tend to favour:
1. Play them with a variety of characters to get a feel for their skill level and bad habits.
2. Isolate 1 or 2 things for them to focus on. 1 should be a bad habit to stop, and the other should be an option that I was them to become better at punishing.
In Rad's case, his bad habit would probably be over committing to (forward) aerials. So I'd get him to force himself to retreat aerials more and avoid excessive fair.
The habit he should punish would be people landing into shield, specifically when they frequently air dodge into the ground. This is a common reflex among mid level players.
3. Play them again, intentionally adopting the habit that I've taught them to punish. Punish them if they don't fix their own habit.
4. Then get them to play people of their own skill level to further develop the lesson. Continuing the case of Rad, I'd get him to play iKill. The snake matchup forces marth to be super safe with his aerials, and Aaron has a personal habit of airdodging into shield.
Quickly watching a few friendly matches would yield further people with similar habits to practice on.
FINALLY, and most importantly: stuff like this only really works if you then go on to play a bunch of people (in tournament conditions!) you stand a chance against. There's no way Rad could apply these concepts to a match against somebody like Tedeth, because non perfect spacing will result in rapid death. The odds of a low level player actually understanding what is happening to them (and retaining that information, whilst desperately trying to avoid getting 3 stocked) are slim.
Baby steps. I'm tired.
Rad I hope you don't think I'm picking on you
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Party at my house.
Ricky's invited.
But he's too drunk to do anything about it.
5pm coffees.
they're so amazing.
Party at my house.
Ricky's invited.
But he's too drunk to do anything about it.
5pm coffees.
they're so amazing.
spoil sport, tbh.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Ricky drunk? Hahaha
PS: Shaya you are a massive ****** for embedding music and ****ing up my tunes.
PS: Shaya you are a massive ****** for embedding music and ****ing up my tunes.
what is love?
M
+9999999999
Baby don't hurt me.
Toby.
Smash Master
Don't hurt me.
...Ellipsis...
Smash Lord
are you gay?
This is directed at JP
Edit: Combo breaker
This is directed at JP
Edit: Combo breaker
no more.
@
this is directed at liam.
@
this is directed at liam.