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Norcal/Bay Area/DBR:NorCal Nevers: Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.

Ian

Ian

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Snap said:
i'll make sure me and you play at the next biweekly! try to make it if u can cause im definitely going to go.

on another note, WHO HERE IS GETTING A WII??!?? im assuming its too late now to pre-order it. i wonder how long it will take me to get one.
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well preorders @ toysrus were tdoay... @ my local one you could just walkin @ 9AM when they opened and gotten one lol maybe your local one still has some available to pre-order(they didn't advertise it at all...if people asked they would tell.)
 
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bioalp43

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Lol, i am too late...i have too wait like a month for my wii....

on the biweekly, ****!! good job bootle....u really did good this one haha
and somone give me the inside scoop on the isai vs silentspectre both winners bracket and championship final set
 
Scamp

Scamp

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Scamp said:
Due to the sheer number of people expected, there probably won't be any ranking battles.

Also, there will probably never be any ranking battles in the future, because I'm changing the name.

So please, come up with good names for the tourney format. I'll explain it.

Say you have 32 people. Rank them 1-32 by whatever method you feel is worthy. Then split them into pools of eight, by rank. 1-8 will be in pool 1, 9-16 in pool 2, and so on.

Now, when I say "pools" I don't mean round-robin pools. These pools are basic double elimination brackets.

Run the brackets until everyone in the pool has played two games, then stop. Now in each pool there are two people who are 2-0, two people who are 0-2, and four people who are 1-1.

In each pool the two people who are 2-0 will move up into the pool ranked one higher than the one they were in, while the two people who are 0-2 are dropped down one pool. (Except for the people who are 0-2 in the bottom pool. They'll stay in the bottom pool) People who are 1-1 will remain in the same pool.

Take the two people who are 2-0 in the highest pool and place them in the final bracket. Now run all the pools again using the same format except adjust the matches so that people are more likely to play against people they haven't played already.

Some pools will have to be adjusted as well because two people were removed from the pools altogether. I could explain how this would work but I'll skip it for now.

Repeat the process until you have eight (or whatever number you want) people in the final bracket.

Run the 8-man final bracket to get the tourney champion.

And there you go. Everyone except the people who advance to the final bracket early is guaranteed eight matches. (Technically seven due to the pool adjustments but who's counting?) The top players still finish the tournament much like a regular singles tournament, and everyone technically has a chance to make it if they're able to climb the ladder.


So once again I need a new name for the tourney format. Whoever comes up with the best one will have my thanks. I don't have a prize prepared right now but maybe I'll have one in the future.
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So yeah, I quoted myself for the win truth and all that.

Read it, ask questions, give feedback, and come up with a name.

It'd be much appreciated.
 
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petoo0

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Scamp said:
Run the brackets until everyone in the pool has played two games, then stop. Now in each pool there are two people who are 2-0, two people who are 0-2, and four people who are 1-1.
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how do you know with certainty that these well be the results. two HAVE to go 2-0...thast doesn't make sense to me.
 
SuperRad

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because its a bracket. two people have to win two sets. thats just how it works.

my only problem with it is if you are in the first pool, you have to go 2-0 to get a chance to advance to bracket. thats not really that big of a deal, because if you would be good enough to win all the way through the top bracket, and assuming that the pools are seeded properly the likliehood of the people form the bottom pool advancing or someone that deserves to advance going 1-1 or 0-2 is small.

oh, and how does it work if there are 33 people? would you run a 9 man pool and then have the top 8 advance?
 
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Courtofdoom

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Isn't Daft Punk the group with the song "Around the World" and it's basically them saying "Around the world" for a few minutes?

That's a clever way to run a tournament but it would take a long time to finish.

LunInSpectra said:
You can call it The Scamp Bracket System. Hahahahaha.
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The SBS
 
Zoap

Zoap

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kfc get on aim and ill tell u lol. Vegita3256 if u didnt know

I think we should stick to tradition and name it Dave's Stupid Bracket Thingie lol i mean its just proper am i right. Also that thingie is very important so dont forget it :chuckle:
 
ender

ender

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Courtofdoom said:
Isn't Daft Punk the group with the song "Around the World" and it's basically them saying "Around the world" for a few minutes?
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Yes. and the music video for it is awesome.

snap go cut your wrists.;)
 
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Serendipity

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LOL!!!!!! ^That was posted by prodigykid a long time ago!^ LOLOL wen i saw it i LMAO

REMEMBER the "do a barrel roll????" i had to sit there for like 20 minutes laughing over and over agen!! my family thought i was nuts....the freakin spinning dog...so sad...so innocent...AHHAHA okay im done
 
Scamp

Scamp

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SBS will be fine. DSBS takes too long to say. DSF (Dave's stupid format) is already taken.

So I'll leave it at SBS.

As I've already told some people, there's more to this system than helping out the ranking panelists. (Thanks for making our job harder at the last biweekly, everyone.) I think that it'll help out the entire Norcal smash community as well. If you ask most people they'll tell you that the best way to get better is to not only play a bunch of people, but play people that are about your level. That way you can steadily improve. It doesn't do much good to beat on scrubs then lose to SS.

The main problem with the format IS time and that's why, if we do it, we need cubes. Lots of cubes. At least eight setups are required. And also no sneaky basturds running on all the TVs as soon as a match is finished to play friendlies and also wussy players who are unwilling to kick people off.

If the number of people in the tourney is not a multiple of 8 I'd have to do some bracket adjusting. The number of people in a bracket cannot go over 8 so I'd have to make brackets of seven or six if needed. A round-robin pool of 4 or 5 is acceptable as well, that's 6-10 matches.
 
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syra76

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The two tall guys from "Around The World" look like the Banana guys from "Bananas in Pajamas:...o_o;
 
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ProdigyKid

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Serendipity said:
LOL!!!!!! ^That was posted by prodigykid a long time ago!^ LOLOL wen i saw it i LMAO

REMEMBER the "do a barrel roll????" i had to sit there for like 20 minutes laughing over and over agen!! my family thought i was nuts....the freakin spinning dog...so sad...so innocent...AHHAHA okay im done
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What? Barrel Roll????

PUPPY!! DOUBLE TAP R OR Z TO DO A BARREL ROLL!!!!



Good times.....
 
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usea

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Dave that's a real interesting format. What happens when the good player who happened to be ranked at the bottom is working his way up to the top when all the top spots are filled before he can get there? Say there are 8 spots in the final brackets and 8 "pools." He goes 2-0 for the first 5 pools, then 1-1 once, then 2-0 the rest of the time until the spots are full. He never advances to the final bracket, despite very possibly being better than players who made it.

It sounds like it depends too much on the accuracy of the initial ranking. Of course I just jumped into this in the middle of the discussion, so maybe it's a format with a specialized purpose. :) I'm always interested to know more.
 
Scamp

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usea said:
Dave that's a real interesting format. What happens when the good player who happened to be ranked at the bottom is working his way up to the top when all the top spots are filled before he can get there? Say there are 8 spots in the final brackets and 8 "pools." He goes 2-0 for the first 5 pools, then 1-1 once, then 2-0 the rest of the time until the spots are full. He never advances to the final bracket, despite very possibly being better than players who made it.

It sounds like it depends too much on the accuracy of the initial ranking. Of course I just jumped into this in the middle of the discussion, so maybe it's a format with a specialized purpose. :) I'm always interested to know more.
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Right. You just listed what is in general one of the problems that may arise with the format. The other problem is that whoever advances out of the highest pool first will have nothing to do for a looooooong time. But everyone I talked to doesn't seem to care about this.

Anyway, it is possible for someone to be eliminated only losing once, like you illustrated. In fact, if there are more pools than rounds it's technically possible for someone to be eliminated even if they don't lose at all. You could easily get around this by throwing in a match against one of the final people to make it into the final brackets, but this situation shouldn't come up at all.

Yes, a lot of this tournament depends on the initial seeding. That's why they were originally called ranking battles, but that name made a lot of people think that how well they do will determine their ranking. This tournament isn't really viable on a national scale, or anywhere where you're really unclear where a lot of people stand.

Thanks to the NorCal power rankings, however, we have a general opinion of where people ought to be. Of course, the rankings are not without controversy. I noticed that a lot of the controversy is a direct result of people not playing each other enough, especially players who live far away. This format is designed to give a lot of guaranteed matches for each player against players who by playing them will help give a better example of where they truly stand skill-wise.

Another reason for the format is to help the community as a whole get better. You don't get better by beating scrubs then getting hosed by the top players. You (generally) get better by improbing slowly, playing people at the same level as you as you gradually improve. This format helps do that in a tourney setting. If you do well against the people near the same rank as you you get a chance to move up a level. If it turns out you weren't really ready for that, no problem. You'll get beat down to the level you were at before and then you can play some more games there.

So yeah, it's kind of skewed against the people toward the bottom. But then again, most tournaments only have a handful of people that can be considered a threat to win it. Everyone else is mostly playing for recognition. You have more chances to do that in this format, and even if you don't you get more matches. Furthermore, it's a lot easier to work past being "bracket screwed" because you can just fight your way back up.


Lastly, you say in your example that there are 8 pools and 8 spots in the final bracket. That's 64 people and only four rounds. (Two advance from the top pool each round.) Since you say the guy goes 2-0 for the first five pools, I can only conclude that something is unclear to you. But I'm not exactly sure what it is. Is it that the pools are not round-robin, which people usually associate when someone says pools?

Maybe, like changing the name to "SBS Tourney," I should start saying "DE Pools" instead of just "pools."
 
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Nekurbis86

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daves rank integrated format tactical


DRIFT lPO O L!l1 p1lpol hey u guys wanna drift pools? lOLP!pl1 ol1opl


srsyrsy jk i know no ranking in name -.-

or maybe daves real intersting friendly tournament lP l1OL1P! L P!OL
 
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