NMSC Ruleset (Open Discussion Begun) Updated April 1st

[tw1n]

Ya thats pretty much true. Should be fun :D

 

[DuskMarthWater]

I've got no idea what you're talking about Davis. I was simply agreeing that we will have our own rule-set until another standard one from a top organization makes the official standard one. Unless our own rule-set happens to become the official rule-set.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Oh, ok. Then that's cool. I'm not sure what I'm talking about at this point either.

That's right, Kyle. There's only so much we can determine from the kind of angle we've been coming at the game. The game evolves, and so do the rules. A neutral stage may become a banned stage, a banned stage a counter pick, etc. The stocks and times may change, who knows.

It's a relative thing.

 

[DuskMarthWater]

Oh, ok. Then that's cool. I'm not sure what I'm talking about at this point either.

Hehe, it's cool. I do that all the time.

 

[ZMan]

How come Mario Circurt is a neutral in teams? Just wonderin

 

[Sinz]

Hey if anyone gets an email called, Gamestop news BIweekly don't open it. There are virus's attached to it. Gamestop weekly news is safe though. Seriously don't even open it, I just spent 11 hours removing that ****.

 

[Alphabravo]

Thanks for the warning. Umm...how's it going everybody? Brawl is almost here (one more week).

Also, does anyone recommend any internet sites for finding solid information on poets?

 

[Sinz]

what time period Paul?

 

[Alphabravo]

1900's Karl Shapiro

 

[Sinz]

Karl Shapiro

Karl Jay Shapiro was born on November 10, 1913, in Baltimore. He attended the University of Virginia and Johns Hopkins University, graduated in 1939, and served in the army for the duration of World War II. Shapiro's poetry began to be published during the war; while stationed in New Guinea, he would send poems home to his fiancée, who then had them printed. Collections of these form the bulk of his best-known work: Person, Place, and Thing (1942), Place of Love (1943), Essay on Rime (1945), and V-Letter and Other Poems (1945), which won the Pulitzer Prize. Shapiro was editor of Poetry magazine from 1948 to 1950.

Shapiro then became a member of the English faculty at the University of Nebraska–Lincoln, where he was the editor of Prairie Schooner from 1956-1966. There he solicited and published many important twentieth-century poets, including Richard Eberhart, Josephine Jacobsen, Josephine Miles, John Frederick Nims, Octavio Paz, and William Carlos Williams. Shapiro's fame broke important ground for Jewish-American poets: in 1948 he opposed the Bollingen Prize committee's decision to grant an award to Ezra Pound, on the grounds of Pound's rampant anti-Semitism and in 1950 he published Poems of a Jew. He was awarded a Levison Prize, the Contemporary Poetry Prize in 1943, an Academy of Arts and Letters Grant in 1944, a Guggenheim Fellowship, and the Shelley Memorial Prize. He also served as Poetry Consultant at the Library of Congress, a position which is now the U.S. Poet Laureate. Shapiro died in New York City on May 14, 2000.

A Selected Bibliography

Poetry

Adult Bookstore (1976)
Collected Poems, 1940-1977 (1978)
Essay on Rime (1945)
Person, Place, and Thing (1942)
Place of Love (1943)
Poems of a Jew (1950)
Poet: Volume I: The Younger Son (1988)
The Bourgeois Poet (1964)
Trial of a Poet (1947)
V-Letter and Other Poems (1945)

Auto/Biography

Reports of My Death (1990)

Essays

In Defense of Ignorance (1960)
The Poetry Wreck (1975)
To Abolish Children and Other Essays (1968)

Fiction

Edsel (1971)

Karl Shapiro wrote poetry in the Pacific Theater while he served there during World War II. His collection V-Letter and Other Poems, written while Shapiro was stationed in New Guinea, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry in 1945, while Shapiro was still in the military. Shapiro was American Poet Laureate in 1946 and 1947. (At the time this title was Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress which was changed by Congress in 1985 to Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.)

Poems from his earlier books display a mastery of formal verse with a modern sensibility that viewed such topics as automobiles, house flies, and drug stores as worthy of attention. Later work experimented with more open forms, beginning with The Bourgeois Poet (1964) and continuing with White-Haired Lover (1968). The influence of Walt Whitman, D.H. Lawrence, W.H. Auden, and William Carlos Williams is evident in his work.

Shapiro's interest in formal verse and prosody led to his writing a long poem about the subjects, Essay on Rime (1945); A Bibliography of Modern Prosody (1948); and, with Robert Beum, A Prosody Handbook (1965; reissued 2006).

Selected Poems appeared in 1968, and Shapiro published one novel, Edsel (1971) and a three-part autobiography, "Poet" (1988-1990).

Shapiro edited the prestigious magazine, Poetry (see Poetry Magazine) for several years, and he was a professor of English at the University of Nebraska, Lincoln, where he edited Prairie Schooner, and at the University of California, Davis, from which he retired in the mid-1980s.

His other works include Person, Place and Thing (1942), To Abolish Children (1968), and The Old Horsefly (1993). Shapiro received the 1969 Bollingen Prize for Poetry, sharing the award that year with John Berryman.

He died in New York City, aged 86, on May 14, 2000.

More recent editions of his work include The Wild Card: Selected Poems Early and Late (1998) and Selected Poems (2003).

Poet KARL SHAPIRO was born in Baltimore in 1913. He attended the University of Virginia from 1932-33 and Johns Hopkins University from 1937-39. Though he began writing poetry at an early age, but gained fame while serving in the Army. He sent his poetry back to his fiancee, who saw it into print. When he returned from the service, he was already a noted man of letters. From 1956-66, he was a member of the English faculty at the University of Nebraska — Lincoln, where he was editor of Prairie Schooner. Poet and critic Joseph Parisi has this to say about Shapiro's importance:

During World War II, and well before the Beats and the counter-culture movement, Shapiro boldly voiced his opposition to the high Modernism of TS Eliot and the New Criticism that had dominated literature and the Academy since the Thirties ... despite receiving numerous honors and holding prestigious literary positions, (Shapiro) has managed, by circumstances, temperament, and his own strong will, to remain an outsider.

I hope that is what you were looking for.

 

[Alphabravo]

Thanks Everett; anyways, back on topic.

How come Mario Circurt is a neutral in teams? Just wonderin

Not sure, considering that one team can camp the other team. I'm not so sure about this one. I think we need to do more testing before we decide. If I remember correctly, we only really played on this stage a few times during doubles.

 

[tw1n]

Wow Everett you're good.

6 more days...

 

[Kashakunaki]

How come Mario Circurt is a neutral in teams? Just wonderin

Thanks Everett; anyways, back on topic.




Not sure, considering that one team can camp the other team. I'm not so sure about this one. I think we need to do more testing before we decide. If I remember correctly, we only really played on this stage a few times during doubles.

I figured the only thing stopping it from being neutral in singles was Dedede, so that's why I put it for neutral in teams, but it may be big enough to camp. I'm not sure.

I'll mark its status as questonable for now and we can decide later.

P.S. I love the Great Sea. Probably my favorite stage next to Luigi's Mansion.

 

[sync]

That's the WW stage, right? That ones awesome.

Electroplankton is serious mind ****. That and I couldn't pull off any FSes with Marth.

 

[tw1n]

P.S. I love the Great Sea.

Ha ha I love this stage too. (Wait is this the toon link stage)

Blah 6 more painful days...

 

[ZMan]

I like the great sea as well but those canons wrecked me =/

wii post

 

[Kashakunaki]

Yeah, cannonballs are pretty deadly, but it seems when I play we get the twister more than anything.

So how you guys holdin' out for Brawl?

Oh, and can I get the link to Everett's tournament thread?

 

[Alphabravo]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142268

Great Sea is a Great stage. Fun to play on as well tactical positioning. Though the stage does have some hazards (catapult, canons, twister) the stage is overall just plain awesome.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Thank you for that Paul.

So, six more days. Is everyone excited?

 

[tw1n]

Thank you for that Paul.

So, six more days. Is everyone excited?

I wonder... OF COURSE WE ARE
Thats like asking a kid the day before his birthday when he knows he's getting a new car if he's excited... no questioning it we are doing flips in anticipation. But at the smae time waiting is killing us

And ship spikes FTW

 

[Twin_A]

*whispers* 5 days...

Ring status kido's
That would be scary as hell huh? There we are. playing Brawl, and all of a sudden the great sea starts flooding into the room out of the TV and a scary chick comes out. Well neil would probably be excited about the girl thing but other than that I would be out of there faster than the Flash on Speed haha.

Anyways...

*runs*

PS. this is also NOT a Wii post

 

[tw1n]

Wow thats funny Kyle. Oh and the sword in your post has a wickedly short handle (even considering the angle...)

 

[Kashakunaki]

One of these days Kyle won't have a ****ty signature. Haha, I'm just messin'.

Rofl, Kyle. You're probably right. Neil would be like, "DUDE... dude, guys, dude look!"
He'd turn around and we'd all be out of there. I know I'd get out of there faster than a bat outta hell.

Not a Wii Post (lol @ Kyle)

 

[tw1n]

Haha his is ok. but mine is better just because knuckles a bad a,ss =D

 

[Twin_A]

Link would have that echidna for lunch! And not even necessarily in his wolf form either. Human/elf/Hylian/whatever the **** he is too.

Hmm I just realized kash, we could be team wolf. Your wolf and my Link (who was at one point a wolf...)

...

...**** Pit

 

[tw1n]

Hmm I just realized kash, we could be team wolf. Your wolf and my Link (who was at one point a wolf...)

MINDGAMES!!! This thread is starting to die But hopefully will pick back up come Brawls release =D

 

[DuskMarthWater]

If the Great Sea started flooding the room I would o either one of two things. One, I run faster than my life lets me or two, I jump onboard the ship when it comes out of the room.

 

[tw1n]

Has anyone seen the movie 1408? Something like that happens in it. Its kinda funny.

 

[Kashakunaki]

Wait, so there is no ring chick coming out of the TV, then? In that case I'm settin' sail, me mateys.

 

[tw1n]

Well she can come out. but before she starts killing tell her to make dinner =D

So close...

Gamegear post

 

[Kashakunaki]

So, everyone better have it by now.

 

[tw1n]

Ya just one thing I ahve to say. WarioWare = BANNED!!! F that stage. And Norfair (although a great counter pick for sonic) = neutral. Still debatable but my opinion after more play time

 

[Kashakunaki]

Eh, I'm thinking counter pick for Norfair. The fire just interfers too much. Otherwise it would be neutral.

 

[tw1n]

Counter sounds like a good plan... I'm having doubts about Luigis Mansion. Its actually annoyingly trick to kill someone if they camp on the bottom right or left

 

[Kashakunaki]

You can camp on any stage, even in Melee. The thing is how easy is it to camp and win because of it? We'll have to let ***s in tournaments decide that for us except for obvious stages such as New Pork City.

I still think Pictochat should be neutral. Opinions?

 

[tw1n]

Agreed on pictochat. I love that stage and it is neutral in every way

 

[johnnylaw505]

Characters that matter and my opinion of them.

MetaKnight- His DS is easily one of the best moves in the game. More than average range. It allows you to move from one end of a stage to the other attacking smoothly and also more than likely THE quickest DS in the game. Recovery masta. Both his B moves can move you horizontally. Even his down air gives him a bit of lift if comboing. Lacks kill blows (besides his DS). Chain grabbing to heavy characters is easy. Tier Mid-High

Pit- Arrows right now are annoying but will soon become extremely accurate in good hands meaning they will become more crucial. Best recovery in da game. Forward B will probably be spammed. Overall he is a CQC figther. Swords are misleading when it comes to this fool. Tier Mid-High

Diddy- I intuitively feel he will be high on the tier list. I would not say he is broken. Up B lacks. Ariels are his abs; very solid. Always good to have at least one projectile especially with a somewhat "quick" character. DS is decent. It has some knockback. His back Air is a personal favorite. Tier- High

Marth- Forward Air. Tier-High-Top

Ike- Forward B is pretty good but if being used as a recovery move watch out; its easy to edge hog. The 3 step nuetral is amazing. For what I have seen, escape from it seems difficult., its great. Super Armor on his Nuetral B is awkward but has potential. Definitely a counter attack character. Tier mid- low.

Dedede- Chain grabbing is very easy. DA I like alot. Up B is as well awkward (it will also most likely kill you on pokemon stadium two, ice). Forward B is somewhat overwhelming but alot weaker than I had initially anticipated. 3 step neutral is good. Back air is his best off stage move. Tier -Low-Mid

Olimar- Down B gets super armor. Potential out the bum BUT tether recovery ruins his game.

Bowser- SUcks. Tier- Sucks a big smoked meat log.

Samus- Was kicked in the teeth. Tier- Low- mid

Luigi- Definitely improved. Down B recovery is awesome. Misfire is now poo. Back air is sweet. Up B defintely improved with the addition of being able to curve it. Can slap your makeup off with how many FA's you can pull off. Tier- Mid

Lucas- Will end up surprising us all.

Ganon- Misses L canceling. Tier- See Bowser*

R.O.B.- Very Impressive. Lasers are grand. Projectiles that can kill make me feel something warm. More range than assumed. Ariel game can be very very affective. Coolest (not best) down air. Tier- Mid

Game play.

Grabbing is alot weaker; fewer hits and less knock back. It is also harder to do.

Side dodging is CRUCIAL now.

Stage ledges (FD, Lylat, etc) cannot not be sweet spotted by sliding an UpB against the side. Or if a stage does allow it, it usually requires more accuracy.

I also agree on the stage ruleset. Also Items from what I have played with should be left out.

Wall sticking is awesome.

Since Sunday Morning, I have played a little over fifty hours. This is the greatest game to ever be.

 

[johnnylaw505]

School is for losers.

 

[tw1n]

School is for losers.

Lol oh ok.

And yes I know. Wall sticking = ninja. Sheik, Squirtle, Mario and a few others are now truly ninja status

 

[GoldenGlove]

I don't consider Pictochat or Orpheon neutral. The drawings interfere quite a bit, and Orpheon's turning upside down combined with the complete lack of a ledge on the right side puts it in counterpick territory to me.