Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

[DrifloonEmpire]

Man, I think people want there to be a "Fire Emblem in Smash" situation at this point just so they can have something to dunk on. That's probably why everyone keeps acting like it's gonna be Loud House. They want more excuses to **** on it.

It's partially because The Loud House isn't very popular with the demographic that's giving the game lots of attention, along with much expectations of Loud House shilling in the future due to it being a recent moneymaker for Nick while not having the same level of cultural significance shows like Spongebob have.

 

[LimeTH]

It's partially because The Loud House isn't very popular with the demographic that's giving the game lots of attention, along with much expectations of Loud House shilling in the future due to it being a recent moneymaker for Nick while not having the same level of cultural significance shows like Spongebob have.

Yeah I know. It's new and popular therefore it must be mocked.

Frankly, I'm glad there's something standing up to Spongebob these days. Nothing will ever get as big as Spongebob again, but it's kind of satisfying to see something come close, so I give it credit for that if nothing else. Especially with how Nick treats shows that don't hit Sponge numbers straight away.
Hell, with how well the movie is doing right now, who knows where Loud House could end up in another five years.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

As a joke meme, good meme! That said, as your caption indicates, I'm sure part of the community will take it seriously haha. There does seem to be a subset of Nick fans who are actually unironically dunking on Smash in... somewhat questionable ways.

Also, WRT queer rep, Smash does have explicitly queer characters through two of the most popular and beloved additions to the game's roster: Corrin and Byleth! It is kind of crazy how few dark-skinned characters there are in Smash though....

Ren & Stimpy are also canonically bi - well, kinda. John K. said that they're straight when it's funny and gay when it's funny.

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Finally, Doug representation!

 

[BonafideFella]

Finally, Doug representation!

unfortunately, they declared skeeter “deconfirmed” in 2005 and he hasn’t been seen since
such a shame too, he could have died

 

[amageish]

Depends on if we get much FOP characters. I could see them give it to the fairies, regardless if they're with Timmy or not.

Yeah, true. I'm not expecting FOP base-game, but maybe we could get Blob-World in some form as DLC...

They're talking about diversity of character playstyles, designs, aesthetics, and franchises, not diversity of races and sexual orientations.

The reason why we have Korra on the roster is because she's the protagonist of a Nicktoon, an Avatar subseries that, while not as popular as The Last Airbender, is still too significant to leave out. Plus she represents the Water Tribes in-universe.

But yeah I really don't see Avatar being the Fire Emblem of All Star Brawl (unless, for whatever reason, they decided to go whole hog on just Korra which I really don't see Ludosity doing). Avatar is one of Nick's most iconic Nicktoons and every fighter would fight uniquely and have different types of weapons and moves, along with the franchise being extremely popular. Contrast that to Fire Emblem which has way too much representation in comparison to its' popularity and, while certainly rising, is nowhere near as popular as Nintendo's top dogs, along with having a significant amount of backlash from said Smash overrepresentation and a general break in the fandom between the old and new games. It's way more comparable to Pokemon or Zelda.

The only thing Avatar and FE have in common are similar art styles.

I'm aware about what they meant by diversity; sorry, my comment back then was a joke before we got to the serious diversity talk today... What I found funny/impressive was how fast the Nick All-Stars fandom has developed its own definition of diversity which is distinct from both the Smash Bros definition (which tends to highlight diversity of genre with a focus on the historicity and legacy of potential characters) and the run-of-the-mill layman (which is generally about diversity of genders, races, and orientations).

I also touched on this earlier, but I was on my phone and I now have my computer, so I'll say it again: Korra is in the game because she is awesome and I am excited to have her. I imagine she'll end up being a sort of bending bruiser who is super in-your-face, contrasting with a more chip-damage-oriented Aang. She's a super strong fighter even when only fighting with her bare hands and there's a rich sample of battles from the show to draw from for her moveset, even if they completely ignore the sequel comics, the Platinum beat-em-up, and the 3DS Fire-Emblem-knock-off (actually, yes, let's all agree to ignore the 3DS Korra tactical RPG). Her fighting style alone would have made excluding her from this game a huge missed opportunity.

And here's one further note on Korra's sexuality under a spoiler tab.

Korra is also important to me, personally, because of her sexuality and how she was one of the first examples of character who is bisexual without also being a creepy philanderer that I personally ever saw in media. That said, the only reason that she gained that importance to me was because that she was such enjoyable character prior to the reveal of her sexuality. She is awesome and also, incidentally, happens to be a bisexual woman of colour. I'm glad I experienced her story when I was younger and am glad that other characters who are both awesome and also, incidentally, queer are continuing to get appearances in media, such as Luna Loud on The Loud House. I much prefer getting good fleshed-out characters who also happen to be queer then tokenism; I hope I haven't sounded like I am arguing for tokenism.

Ren & Stimpy are also canonically bi - well, kinda. John K. said that they're straight when it's funny and gay when it's funny.

And true! Ren & Stimpy was a trailblazing show, though its absurd and abstract depiction of sexuality wasn't something that resonated with me personally in the same as the cute romances of TLoK.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

With Nick Brawl most of the diversity talk I see is either era or moveset-based. I guess that comes from how a majority of Nick's cartoon cast can be sorted into either "SpongeBob or not SpongeBob" for iconic-ness and "Scrimblo or Avatar" for art style.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Yeah I know. It's new and popular therefore it must be mocked.

Frankly, I'm glad there's something standing up to Spongebob these days. Nothing will ever get as big as Spongebob again, but it's kind of satisfying to see something come close, so I give it credit for that if nothing else. Especially with how Nick treats shows that don't hit Sponge numbers straight away.
Hell, with how well the movie is doing right now, who knows where Loud House could end up in another five years.

I wasn't saying that it should be mocked. I'm just explaining why the Loud House is looked at in a negative light be a lot of All Star Brawl fans.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

On a side note, there's apparently some fans that are pissed Sandy got in over Squidward.

So, yeah, DLC would be nice to dispel those silly notions...At least they wouldn't need to attend a Super Saiyan level just to add extra seasons, in this case.

Ren & Stimpy are also canonically bi - well, kinda. John K. said that they're straight when it's funny and gay when it's funny.

True (although most people aren't too fond of Adult Party).

Frankly, I'm glad there's something standing up to Spongebob these days. Nothing will ever get as big as Spongebob again, but it's kind of satisfying to see something come close, so I give it credit for that if nothing else. Especially with how Nick treats shows that don't hit Sponge numbers straight away.
Hell, with how well the movie is doing right now, who knows where Loud House could end up in another five years.

Yeah, the 00s to 10s are littered with the emancipated bodies of shows that either just couldn't do as well as Spongebob or were too controversial in various ways to last much longer (e.g. Invader Zim, Sanjay and Craig). Hell, some are lucky to be longer than one season. The periphery demographic being sick and tired of the show's crummier seasons dominating the majority of the schedule probably helped the channel to actually get a more balanced schedule again.

 

[Mamboo07]

I somehow found this of Lincoln kicking Spongebob away for the throne of most popular Nick Show or something idk:

(I remember that both Sponge and Loud are the two most popular modern Nick shows)

 

[Dan Quixote]

True! Little Mac has also a darker skin tone (at least in some depictions; Little Mac lacks design consistency in general) and is from the Bronx of New York, but we don't know his actual ethnicity...

Considering his being from the Bronx and his skin tone in the Wii game, I always liked to headcanon Mac as Dominican or Puerto Rican myself since it fits the area and hey Latino characters are neat especially to me, a Colombian. However, the name "Mac" kiiiiinda lends itself to one of those classic New York Irish so who knows

 

[Teeb147]

Small comment on the subject of voice-acting or clips, but overall I think it is a big deal, and I totally understand why some people are not pleased about it, even if I think it being a deal-breaker for some is exaggerated, or they're not big fans of platform fighters and so for them it would've been about living more of those characters in the game.

I'm a huge fan of competitive platform fighters, so of course it's not a deal-breaker, but it's quite disappointing. It doesn't matter if there's explanation by the budget and all that, it's still a kind of lack of quality by nickelodeon to not make sure it would have that level. That said, since the devs can completely make the gameplay like they want, and it seems fun and good for competitive play, I'm not going to let it get to me but it's still something I see as being a pretty big omission.

Of course not everyone's going to feel like that, let's say someone who just cares about the gameplay. If it wasn't that they're characters we've known and would like to hear represented too, it wouldn't be as much of a thing, I mean Rivals of Aether doesn't have voices and it's quite fun, I hardly think about the lack of them. I know I'll be able to adapt, but I still feel the 'missing' for voices.

For diversity, I mean.. spongebob is a sponge, and yellow, so does that count for diversity? XD.
No but I think it's good when there is some, and definitely for me Personally, having more female ore feminine characters makes a huge difference. I want enough female characters to play with, and that's one thing I'm happy about for this game up to now. That's just my personal feelings, but I'm sure I'm not alone

 

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Patr-SANDY? Uh Sandy Moveset Showcase I guess

"Sandy's stage is Glove World"

Huh, so not only is Stage Theory basically a lock now, it also doesn't have to really correlate to the characters at all. Guess Omashu can belong to anyone

 

[Capybara Gaming]

So Sandy's stage is Glove World. Not only is it not Patrick's Stage, it's not called Glove Universe like everyone thought (which is good, I personally hate that name).

 

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Patr-SANDY? Uh Sandy Moveset Showcase I guess

Well, we have conformation that Sandy is rushdown not that anyone though otherwise but its nice to have the confirmation. Sheriff also sounds quite useful in putting the opponent eactly were Sandy wants them.

 

[Speed Weed]

Oh my god

Of course the Flying Dutchman stage would be for Patrick

 

[Guynamednelson]

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Patr-SANDY? Uh Sandy Moveset Showcase I guess

"Sandy's stage is Glove World"

Huh, so not only is Stage Theory basically a lock now, it also doesn't have to really correlate to the characters at all. Guess Omashu can belong to anyone

This narration seems to have a lot more personality than the one for Spongebob's showcase. Just compare how they pronounce "kah-rah-tay".

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Well, Stage Theory 100% confirmed it seems

 

[LimeTH]

I wasn't saying that it should be mocked. I'm just explaining why the Loud House is looked at in a negative light be a lot of All Star Brawl fans.

I know, I meant that's just how newer shows are looked upon in general.

 

[Flyboy]

I'm so happy Spongebob's losing animation is the tears.

 

[amageish]

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Patr-SANDY? Uh Sandy Moveset Showcase I guess

"Sandy's stage is Glove World"

Huh, so not only is Stage Theory basically a lock now, it also doesn't have to really correlate to the characters at all. Guess Omashu can belong to anyone

Very nice showcase. I think Sandy's my current main out of the characters we've (meaningfully) seen any gameplay of... Not expecting that to stay true once we know the full roster, but I am jiving with her moveset.

Sandy's taunt and victory animation are nice to see too. I don't recognize either of them as references, but they are appropriately confidant for her!

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Oh my god

Of course the Flying Dutchman stage would be for Patrick

mfw when the perfume department is the stage hazard and all of a sudden it's a travelling stage

 

[Guynamednelson]

I know, I meant that's just how newer shows are looked upon in general.

To be fair Nickelodeon shares that view with pretty much all of their newer Nicktoons besides TMNT and Loud House.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

To be fair Nickelodeon shares that view with pretty much all of their newer Nicktoons besides TMNT and Loud House.

Hell, even ROTMNT got the short end of the stick - hopefully that Netflix movie can revive interest.

 

[Ze Diglett]

You're telling me that Mewtwo-looking Down Tilt hits on BOTH sides? At least it doesn't appear to have much combo potential...

 

[dlewis53]

Well, now. I was pretty sure Patrick would be up next, but instead, we got Sandy!

And she looks like a pretty fun Rushdown character, which kind of fits more to my playstyle, so I'll definitely be looking forward to trying her out!

As for Glove World, it looks like a fairly decent stage; I like that the cars can both damage you and be ridden on. Also, just from the layout, it seems more interesting than Jellyfish Fields. Though, I have to say, unlike with Jellyfish Fields, I'm not really feeling that music; the track used for Glove Universe in Kart Racers 2 was SO much better than that.

Also, SpongeBob's losing animation was him crying; not only is that rather fitting for him, but it also confirms that, yes, characters will have unique losing animations and not just victory ones, which I really like and kind of wish that Smash did.

Finally, was that Rep that was doing the narration? If so, I kind of prefer him because the one doing the SpongeBob showcase felt...a bit wooden in places.

So yeah, Sandy looks pretty fun overall!

 

[Mamboo07]

I was expecting Spongebob's losing animation to be this:

 

[Opossum]

Well, now. I was pretty sure Patrick would be up next, but instead, we got Sandy!

And she looks like a pretty fun Rushdown character, which kind of fits more to my playstyle, so I'll definitely be looking forward to trying her out!

As for Glove World, it looks like a fairly decent stage; I like that the cars can both damage you and be ridden on. Also, just from the layout, it seems more interesting than Jellyfish Fields. Though, I have to say, unlike with Jellyfish Fields, I'm not really feeling that music; the track used for Glove Universe in Kart Racers 2 was SO much better than that.

Also, SpongeBob's losing animation was him crying; not only is that rather fitting for him, but it also confirms that, yes, characters will have unique losing animations and not just victory ones, which I really like and kind of wish that Smash did.

Finally, was that Rep that was doing the narration? If so, I kind of prefer him because the one doing the SpongeBob showcase felt...a bit wooden in places.

So yeah, Sandy looks pretty fun overall!

Thaddeus Crews was the narrator for both.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

So, now we know Patrick's losing animation wasn't an outlier!

I have a feeling the avatars, or at least Aang, and possibly Leonardo may clap. Maybe Reptar for a "dinosaurs have short arms" gag though his arms may be too long to pull that off.

EDIT: actually, now I think about it bowing would probably fit better for Aang.

 

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Patr-SANDY? Uh Sandy Moveset Showcase I guess

"Sandy's stage is Glove World"

Huh, so not only is Stage Theory basically a lock now, it also doesn't have to really correlate to the characters at all. Guess Omashu can belong to anyone

I was expecting a moveset post for a TMNT character, but now they keep going with these breakdown videos.

Does anyone else get the distinct impression that they're pulling a Krabby Land and trying to stall us as long as possible until the next big news drop(s)?

Hell, even ROTMNT got the short end of the stick - hopefully that Netflix movie can revive interest.

Seeing how poor of a job Netflix did to promote Glitch Techs, I don't have high hopes for that.

I know, I meant that's just how newer shows are looked upon in general.

To be fair Nickelodeon shares that view with pretty much all of their newer Nicktoons besides TMNT and Loud House.

Hopefully Ludosity's staff doesn't share the same views (especially if DLC gets confirmed).

mfw when the perfume department is the stage hazard and all of a sudden it's a travelling stage

NGL, I'd pay good money to see that happen.

 

[dlewis53]

Thaddeus Crews was the narrator for both.

...No he wasn't. The SpongeBob showcase was narrated by someone from Fair Play Games.

Thaddeus narrated both this and the General Gameplay video.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Hopefully Ludosity's staff doesn't share the same views (especially if DLC gets confirmed).

These devs fought to have the 80's turtles instead of the 2012 ones. Don't expect anything out of modern Nick besides the bare minimum.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I actually prefered the Fair Play narrator - Rev seemed a little overexcited in the Sandy showcase, which is fair given 1. showing something you helped make is really exciting, and 2. you're trying to sell it to kids, but I found his performance a little grating. I think it'd be good if characters modern kids will still know (the Bottomites, turtles, Louds, and maybe Reptar) got Rev as as a narrator wheras characters from shows or IPs that haven't aired in a hot minute (as well as April given how distant her current versions are from her 80s depiction) get the Fair Play narrator

 

[Opossum]

...No he wasn't. The SpongeBob showcase was narrated by someone from Fair Play Games.

Thaddeus narrated both this and the General Gameplay video.

Oh god you're right lmao. My bad. I was mixing it up with the gameplay breakdown video.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

These devs fought to have the 80's turtles instead of the 2012 ones. Don't expect anything out of modern Nick besides the bare minimum.

Okay, but what will they do if we get DLC, mine every 90s property possible right down to the cheese from Wacky Deli? There aren't very many options for getting extra profit under those circumstances without waiting for their Garfield show to air or fully embracing guest fighters like Mortal Kombat.

 

[Guynamednelson]

90s

When I say "modern" I don't mean 2000s, so there, they'll move on to adding Butch the Bully. Hell I'd think they wouldn't consider Garfield "modern" due to being a franchise that existed for decades, regardless of whether or not Swedish Nick aired reruns of Garfield & Friends.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Okay, but what will they do if we get DLC, mine every 90s property possible right down to the cheese from Wacky Deli? There aren't very many options for getting extra profit under those circumstances without waiting for their Garfield show to air or fully embracing guest fighters like Mortal Kombat.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind more 90s characters - even more obscure or ridiculous ones.

I'm not opposed to guest characters, (or syndicated characters as I like to call them) but I don't want them to take up a lot of the roster like in modern Smash until we've got a majority of the memorable characters from Nick's existing line-up. In the roster we already know of one or two guests would be fine, 3 or 4 in a sequel would be OK too.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

At any rate, we'll have to see exactly how post-release will look like. All that we know of so far is the staff wanting to patch the game as much as possible, but what that will consist of besides balancing is unknown. In regards to post-90s characters, only Fanboy and Chum Chum have been outright denied so far, so that only brings in even more questions.

I still think we'll get the next news drop in some sort of event soon.

Also, just watch as Leo gets the Technodrome stage, for some reason.

I actually prefered the Fair Play narrator - Rev seemed a little overexcited in the Sandy showcase, which is fair given 1. showing something you helped make is really exciting, and 2. you're trying to sell it to kids, but I found his performance a little grating. I think it'd be good if characters modern kids will still know (the Bottomites, turtles, Louds, and maybe Reptar) got Rev as as a narrator wheras characters from shows or IPs that haven't aired in a hot minute (as well as April given how distant her current versions are from her 80s depiction) get the Fair Play narrator

You can tell that they're still scrambling to promote this game after all the buzz the periphery demographic gave to it, so it'll take some time for the showcases to get a consistent voice.

 

[Teeb147]

Sandy's movement feels good!

Her attacks feel pretty simple, so I'm not sure how she is overall, but movement is a big thing for me, so I'll definitely be giving her some time

 

[dlewis53]

Honestly, I didn't think Rep was THAT overexcited; he felt enthusiastic enough to make the showcase feel more enjoyable, whereas the one who did the SpongeBob showcase sounded pretty flat and dull, if I'm being honest.

Also, did anyone else notice that when Sandy did her Down Special at one point, the cart that usually damages you went right through her legs without any damage? That seems to imply that her extended legs don't have a hit-box.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Honestly, I didn't think Rep was THAT overexcited; he felt enthusiastic enough to make the showcase feel more enjoyable, whereas the one who did the SpongeBob showcase sounded pretty flat and dull, if I'm being honest.

Also, did anyone else notice that when Sandy did her Down Special at one point, the cart that usually damages you went right through her legs without any damage? That seems to imply that her extended legs don't have a hit-box.

I think the SB showcase narrator seemed to have English as a second language, too. Almost felt like listening to a nature documentary.