Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

[amageish]

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was originally a bit uninformed on Hutchison's role in the show and thought she was a one off character, so I swapped Luna out for her cause I still see us getting a Rocko character, just not Rocko

Hutchinson is an interesting choice; is there a lot of discussion about her on the Discord?

A non-Rocko Rocko rep is possible, though my impulse is it'd be someone with some relevance in Static Cling... but also that may be my Smash speculation impulses turning on; Ludosity can do whatever they want as long as it isn't Alex Mack, it seems.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Ludosity can do whatever they want as long as it isn't Alex Mack, it seems.

All live-action characters are off the table.

 

[amageish]

All live-action characters are off the table.

I'm aware, but, from the sounds of it, that was self-imposed on the part of Ludosity due to finding cartoon characters had more appealing moveset opportunities (also because the creators just knew Nicktoons better). While Alex Mack is someone they actually did ask Nick for, only to be rejected.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

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was originally a bit uninformed on Hutchison's role in the show and thought she was a one off character, so I swapped Luna out for her cause I still see us getting a Rocko character, just not Rocko

What happened to "definitive prediction?"

Thank god for no Lifelight 2.0


GET READYYYY GET READYYYY

Why do people complain about Lifelight, yet praise Take You for a Ride from MvC which has literally one lyric

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Why do people complain about Lifelight, yet praise Take You for a Ride from MvC which has literally one lyric

It's comically melodramatic and sampled somehow in almost every original song.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Why do people complain about Lifelight, yet praise Take You for a Ride from MvC which has literally one lyric

MVC2's soundtrack isn't constant remixes of TU4AR.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wish they stuck to the 2 day pattern or something else, yesterday would've been a good posting date. The marketing team is so inconsistent and I hate it ngl. They have such a hyped up product that's turning many heads and they aren't taking advantage of it very well.

For all we know, this pattern could just be Wednesdays and Fridays, not every 2 days, I suggest waiting to see if they actually have a pattern before getting upset they didn't stick to the one you thought it was after only literally 2 movesets

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Just watch as the music we get is so forgettable that you wouldn't know it's even there until someone points it out.

Also, I'm 100% convinced that we're not getting the trailer music. Since when does licensed music for kid's game trailers ever make it into the game itself?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Just watch as the music we get is so forgettable that you wouldn't know it's even there until someone points it out.

Also, I'm 100% convinced that we're not getting the trailer music. Since when does licensed music for kid's game trailers ever make it into the game itself?

I actually can't find any source for the trailer theme - I believe it was an original creation

Also, Nick Kart Racers 2 had a killer soundtrack even with no show themes, so if it's the same composer(s) we're in good hands - listen to the Reptar Ruins theme for an example.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

At any rate, I can't see why no one has hypothetically asked what the devs would do for character choices by eras if they, by some miracle, got to do some DLC. I see a whole lot of uneasiness right now that would be solved by a single question, even if it wouldn't allow them to spoil anything.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I honestly feel the "90s bias" stuff is kinda exaggerated. If you're just talking premiere dates, fair enough, but if we're talking these shows' lifespans then CatDog, Arnold, Thornberrys, and of course SpongeBob lean a lot more towards 2000s, and Rugrats did outlive the 90s at the very least even if it didn't last much longer.

I'd say it's less a case of "90s bias" (at least not exclusively) and more/equally a case of a lot of 2000s Nick shows being trapped in copyright purgatory - Hartman's stingy, Frederator's with CN, Oedekirk dropped off the face of Earth outside of a few new Thumb Wars, Catscratch has ties to Gear, and Tak may require THQ royalties. Most likely case they just looked at all the copyright hell characters and chose just one: Danny.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I honestly feel the "90s bias" stuff is kinda exaggerated. If you're just talking premiere dates, fair enough, but if we're talking these shows' lifespans then CatDog, Arnold, Thornberrys, and of course SpongeBob lean a lot more towards 2000s, and Rugrats did outlive the 90s at the very least even if it didn't last much longer.

I'd say it's less a case of "90s bias" (at least not exclusively) and more/equally a case of a lot of 2000s Nick shows being trapped in copyright purgatory - Hartman's stingy, Frederator's with CN, Oedekirk dropped off the face of Earth outside of a few new Thumb Wars, Catscratch has ties to Gear, and Tak may require THQ royalties. Most likely case they just looked at all the copyright hell characters and chose just one: Danny.

I'd assume that DLC dosh would allow them to be a little more adventurous, otherwise not much else that can be done other than go crazy with the IPs they currently have free access to (and yes, that means doing stuff like All Grown Up if beating up babies is a legitimate concern they want to avoid).

In other words, post-90s characters would mostly be third-party characters best saved for DLC, so to speak. If they can even get that much.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

(and yes, that means doing stuff like All Grown Up if beating up babies is a legitimate concern they want to avoid).

My stance on AGU is that it should be added only if the devs want AGU content and not just as a substitute for Rugrats. AGU takes very few elements from Rugrats that you could adapt into game mechanics - the locations are the same and the characters generally act the same but more mature, (outside of a nicer Angelica at least) but most of the defining elements of Rugrats are missing - so Baby Tommy would have next to no abilities Pre-Teen Tommy could also use, and more likely than not Teen Tommy would have less to work with given the emphasis on imagination Rugrats has compared to AGU and how April already uses a camera making a filmmaker moveset redundant IMO. (at least for such a small roster)

If Klasky-Csupo made Tommy grow up to be an inventor like his father or become a die-hard Reptar fanboy I'd likely have a different view, but as it stands risking the baby moral concern seems better than using a moveset-handicapped alternative.

 

[Mamboo07]

My stance on AGU is that it should be added only if the devs want AGU content and not just as a substitute for Rugrats. AGU takes very few elements from Rugrats that you could adapt into game mechanics - the locations are the same and the characters generally act the same but more mature, (outside of a nicer Angelica at least) but most of the defining elements of Rugrats are missing - so Baby Tommy would have next to no abilities Pre-Teen Tommy could also use, and more likely than not Teen Tommy would have less to work with given the emphasis on imagination Rugrats has compared to AGU and how April already uses a camera making a filmmaker moveset redundant IMO. (at least for such a small roster)

If Klasky-Csupo made Tommy grow up to be an inventor like his father or become a die-hard Reptar fanboy I'd likely have a different view, but as it stands risking the baby moral concern seems better than using a moveset-handicapped alternative

So people are okay with Lincoln and Lucy as well Helga who are underage kids getting beaten up but not with Rugrats being babies?

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

...Did you not like Lifelight or something?

Lifelight's E3 theme was great, and it was perfect for the reveal.

The vocal version itself...................is the lamest Smash opening ever and feels like discount KH intro.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

My stance on AGU is that it should be added only if the devs want AGU content and not just as a substitute for Rugrats. AGU takes very few elements from Rugrats that you could adapt into game mechanics - the locations are the same and the characters generally act the same but more mature, (outside of a nicer Angelica at least) but most of the defining elements of Rugrats are missing - so Baby Tommy would have next to no abilities Pre-Teen Tommy could also use, and more likely than not Teen Tommy would have less to work with given the emphasis on imagination Rugrats has compared to AGU and how April already uses a camera making a filmmaker moveset redundant IMO. (at least for such a small roster)

If Klasky-Csupo made Tommy grow up to be an inventor like his father or become a die-hard Reptar fanboy I'd likely have a different view, but as it stands risking the baby moral concern seems better than using a moveset-handicapped alternative

I find it ironic that the Rugrats wouldn't get in in any form because they aren't able to use their imagination to come up with a creative enough moveset for the alternative. You'd think that Smash would have taught us otherwise by now, but apparently not.

Now I kind of want to see them try to include the Wacky Deli jar of mayonnaise just because.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Why do people complain about Lifelight, yet praise Take You for a Ride from MvC which has literally one lyric

Not me though. I hate MVC2's music direction for going Jazz as it betrays the game's theme of MVC. Even if some of the songs are actually great on their own (i mean i could like JPOP, but i woulnd't use it as the basis for say, Capcom vs SNK 3's entire soundtrack, Athena notwithsanding)

EDIT: and before some smarty pants comes in yes i know Roll's theme from MVC could be considered JPop, but that is one song in the entire MVC catalogue, not the entire style of the soundtrack.

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

Does anyone know if there’s any evidence like developer conversations or something against the idea that all the characters on the box art will be the final roster for the game? Because if there isn’t I think it might be a possibility

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Does anyone know if there’s any evidence like developer conversations or something against the idea that all the characters on the box art will be the final roster for the game? Because if there isn’t I think it might be a possibility

In all honesty... no, not really. We've just kinda been taking this "stage theory" as a fact

 

[Opossum]

So people are okay with Lincoln and Lucy as well Helga who are underage kids getting beaten up but not with Rugrats being babies?

If you don't see the difference between a kid like Helga in a fighting game, who was fairly violent on a regular basis, and a literal infant who canonically can't even speak, I really don't know what to tell you.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Does anyone know if there’s any evidence like developer conversations or something against the idea that all the characters on the box art will be the final roster for the game? Because if there isn’t I think it might be a possibility

I mean, we already know of characters not on the boxart and they showed we'd get 22 which is more than what's on the box

At any rate, I can't see why no one has hypothetically asked what the devs would do for character choices by eras if they, by some miracle, got to do some DLC. I see a whole lot of uneasiness right now that would be solved by a single question, even if it wouldn't allow them to spoil anything.

I mean, there's no real way to answer that as you'd have to lie as to not spoil DLC or talk about something that's unplanned and thus not something planned with Nick who has the final say

 

[Flyboy]

At any rate, I can't see why no one has hypothetically asked what the devs would do for character choices by eras if they, by some miracle, got to do some DLC. I see a whole lot of uneasiness right now that would be solved by a single question, even if it wouldn't allow them to spoil anything.

They've said multiple times that they have no indication that this game will even have post-game support. We can guess, based on the hype surrounding this game and how the Kart games were going to have DLC that was scrapped due to low sales, that Nick may look into it following the initial purchase window of the game, but as for right now our safest bet is to go into it thinking that there will be no post-release content.

 

[FreeFox]

I was checking videos about NBAS and in one of the comments, someone pointed out to 0 entertainment as a company that also holds rigts to Jimmy Neutron. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I was checking videos about NBAS and in one of the comments, someone pointed out to 0 entertainment as a company that also holds rigts to Jimmy Neutron. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

From a recent re-airing of the movie on TeenNick:

Honestly I think if anything's holding back Jimmy it's either stubborn completionism with Timmy, 90s "bias", or a petty fear of transitioning a character synonymous with early CGI into modern graphics. (which is justifable after Globs of Doom)

I would say Planet Sheen embarassment, but Pre-School Daze and to an extent AGU didn't stop Rugrats from becoming a nostalgic cash cow, nor did the Adult Party Cartoon for Ren & Stimpy.

 

[Opossum]

I was checking videos about NBAS and in one of the comments, someone pointed out to 0 entertainment as a company that also holds rigts to Jimmy Neutron. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

O almost certainly retains at least some of the rights, as they're the studio that actually made the show. That itself isn't the be all end all. As mentioned before, Shout Factory owns the marketing rights to Danny Phantom and this is even noted on NASB's website, and Danny was still able to get in. The question just comes down to how easy it is to get access to their properties in comparison to, say, Frederator on one end, and Shout on the other.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

From a recent re-airing of the movie on TeenNick:
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Honestly I think if anything's holding back Jimmy it's either stubborn completionism with Timmy, 90s "bias", or a petty fear of transitioning a character synonymous with early CGI into modern graphics. (which is justifable after Globs of Doom)

I would say Planet Sheen embarassment, but Pre-School Daze and to an extent AGU didn't stop Rugrats from becoming a nostalgic cash cow, nor did the Adult Party Cartoon for Ren & Stimpy.

I don't think that the 90s biais would stop Jimmy considering we already have Danny Phantom who is arguably a bit less popular than him.

 

[cashregister9]

Sandy's Moveset

Here's Sandy Cheeks' move list in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl! https://t.co/qODMMmvj2K #NickBrawl pic.twitter.com/fJorFzYldC

— Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl (@NickBrawlGame) September 7, 2021

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

So, we know the Extendo-Boots have a hitbox from the trailer, but I'm getting the vibe they're more of a defensive move (in the context of 1v1s at least), stop projectiles without reflecting them

Love the BFBB Sand Mountain reference.

The Jet Pack may work like PM ROB? As in, a recovery move that can either be used rigidly vertical or rigidly horizontal. Makes sense with the lack of side specials.

 

[amageish]

Tak may require THQ royalties.

I... have never heard of or seen this show before. Interesting... Maybe here in Canada they didn't want two video game tie-on shows on the same channel; idk...

Does anyone know if there’s any evidence like developer conversations or something against the idea that all the characters on the box art will be the final roster for the game? Because if there isn’t I think it might be a possibility

AFIAK the devs still haven't acknowledged the boxart leak, but this is the image of the roster shown to us before Catdog/April's reveal, with 8 unknown spots and 22 in total. So, I don't think that the boxart is all of the remaining characters.

Stage theory comes in because of several storefronts listing the game as having 22 stages, as well as the current roster having stages and characters lining up.

Sandy's Moveset

Here's Sandy Cheeks' move list in Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl! https://t.co/qODMMmvj2K #NickBrawl pic.twitter.com/fJorFzYldC

— Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl (@NickBrawlGame) September 7, 2021

Definitely a more traditional fighter kit then I was expecting, but still a good one. Sometimes it is nice to just punch/kick/smack things with the strong/weak attacks and bust out the weird stuff for specials...

 

[DeviousFish]

Very curious on how the lasso move will work. It could be a generic grab,but I feel there is more properties to it.

 

[dlewis53]

It makes sense that Sandy would primarily focus on karate moves, and I'm glad to see they featured her Shell Surfboard and Lasso in the moveset (though I think they forgot to change the Lasso attack's name from Patrick's Neutral Special).

Although maybe it's just me, but one issue with the movesets being presented like this is that I'm having a bit of trouble placing what Sandy's overall playstyle is gonna be like. With SpongeBob and Patrick, it's clear they're a jack-of-all-trades and grappler respectively, but Sandy? I'm not so sure.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It makes sense that Sandy would primarily focus on karate moves, and I'm glad to see they featured her Shell Surfboard and Lasso in the moveset (though I think they forgot to change the Lasso attack's name from Patrick's Neutral Special).

Although maybe it's just me, but one issue with the movesets being presented like this is that I'm having a bit of trouble placing what Sandy's overall playstyle is gonna be like. With SpongeBob and Patrick, it's clear they're a jack-of-all-trades and grappler respectively, but Sandy? I'm not so sure.

If I were to make a guess, I'd say rushdown like say, Falcon

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I think Sandy's lasso move could be a command grab with full movement? Like, you can drag and drop your foe a little to get them exactly where you want rather than traditional knockback.

 

[DeviousFish]

I think Sandy's lasso move could be a command grab with full movement? Like, you can drag and drop your foe a little to get them exactly where you want rather than traditional knockback.

that's something I was thinking of as well. Hopefully we can get some dev comments about the move.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Seems she has the Wario shoulder bash, just with an acorn in her arms to make up for her stubby cartoon limbs.

 

[dlewis53]

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AFIAK the devs still haven't acknowledged the boxart leak, but this is the image of the roster shown to us before Catdog/April's reveal, with 8 unknown spots and 22 in total. So, I don't think that the boxart is all of the remaining characters.

Stage theory comes in because of several storefronts listing the game as having 22 stages, as well as the current roster having stages and characters lining up.

A few things:

1. The devs have indirectly addressed the boxart (Rep straight-up confirmed that April was "Leg-Girl"), so that says to me that it was a legit leak.

2. As far as I know, they have not commented on that image above, so for all we know, fans are just assuming that 22 fighters is the case when we could easily be looking too deeply into this.

3. Regarding what said storefronts have said, I would like to point out that the official website for the game states that there would be over 20 stages while the Nintendo eShop page for the game states that there's 20 exactly; this to me says that even official sources can have conflicting/contradictory information, so for the time being, I wouldn't jump on what those stores say meaning anything yet.

 

[DeviousFish]

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

...Did you not like Lifelight or something?

It was overused to hell and back, got tiring and sick of it quick. I'm glad the repetitive trailer theme for this game isn't going to be the theme we predominately hear.

For all we know, this pattern could just be Wednesdays and Fridays, not every 2 days, I suggest waiting to see if they actually have a pattern before getting upset they didn't stick to the one you thought it was after only literally 2 movesets

I just desire consistency, looks like the pattern you argued for isn't a thing either. Marketing is their greatest asset here and they have a twitter account now. I badly want to see them use it, I want to see more of the wacky things they put together. When Brawl and Smash 4 dripfed info at a steady but consistent way that was one of their best decisions for the games.

 

[amageish]

A few things:

1. The devs have indirectly addressed the boxart (Rep straight-up confirmed that April was "Leg-Girl"), so that says to me that it was a legit leak.

2. As far as I know, they have not commented on that image above, so for all we know, fans are just assuming that 22 fighters is the case when we could easily be looking too deeply into this.

3. Regarding what said storefronts have said, I would like to point out that the official website for the game states that there would be over 20 stages while the Nintendo eShop page for the game states that there's 20 exactly; this to me says that even official sources can have conflicting/contradictory information, so for the time being, I wouldn't jump on what those stores say meaning anything yet.

1. Good point about leg-girl! I mean, there's no question it is legitimate leak in my mind, but the developers haven't directly gone "Oh no; you know things you shouldn't now!" or acknowledged how it effects their marketing plan, which is what the person was asking about.

2. Why would they comment on it? It's an image from them/Game-Mill. I don't see any reason that we shouldn't believe an official trailer for the game having 8 question mark spots as an indication that there are at least 8 characters coming. I know that there's some complicated marketing stuff going on with this game, as it is torn between showing off more technical stuff for the FGC and fast-paced action for kids, but I think that "Make the Question Mark Spots Line Up With The Unrevealed Roster Slots" is kind of Fighting Game Advertising 101.

3. You do make a good point. It does also seem possible that the number of characters/stages increased during development, given Ludosity's track record (Slap City was meant to have 8 fighters and 24 stages; it has 9 fighters and 32 stages), which could maybe explain why there are different numbers coming from official sources on that...

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

We finally know about Sandy's moves. That makes me very happy.