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Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

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I didn't explain it properly but my point is moreso that better quality tends to lead to better word of mouth which tends to lead to better sales numbers.
The first game's playercount at its peak is higher I'm pretty sure and everyone was talking about NASB 1 during its peak. Loads of randoms bought NASB 1, Some very unexpected people like LowTierGod even bought and streamed two full priced versions of the game for different consoles. Everyone knowing about the first game is what screwed the second tbh.
 
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NASB1 selling better than NASB2 is really easy to prove.

-NASB1 topped multiple charts at launch, and has topped charts again in specific regions since them, NASB2 has not yet done that
-NASB1 was a legitimate cultural phonemenon pre-launch, and many mainstream YouTubers from outside cartoon and gaming circles such as Dude Perfect and Jaiden Animations were playing or being sponsored by it.
-Amazon reviews. Comparing SKUs, the US Switch NASB1 SKU alone has 1,394 reviews; while all 3 NASB2 SKUs avaliable on Amazon US combined share a total of 54 reviews (30 for Switch code-in-box, 24 for Switch cartridge, 0 for Switch code-in-reciept, other platforms are not avaliable on Amazon US at all). The cartridge NASB2 SKU sold the same amount of copies in the past month as Switch NASB1. There isn't even a listing for any other NASB2 SKUs. Of the 10 NASB1 SKUs on Amazon US, some of which don't even have box art, only one has less reviews than all 3 NASB2 SKUs combined (a duplicate, possibly scam, listing of the PS4 SKU that is mistakenly labled Teen and has NASB2's description).
 
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NASB1 selling better than NASB2 is really easy to prove.

-NASB1 topped multiple charts at launch, and has topped charts again in specific regions since them, NASB2 has not yet done that
-NASB1 was a legitimate cultural phonemenon pre-launch, and many mainstream YouTubers from outside cartoon and gaming circles such as Dude Perfect and Jaiden Animations were playing or being sponsored by it.
-Amazon reviews. Comparing SKUs, the US Switch NASB1 SKU alone has 1,394 reviews; while all 3 NASB2 SKUs avaliable on Amazon US combined share a total of 54 reviews (30 for Switch code-in-box, 24 for Switch cartridge, 0 for Switch code-in-reciept, other platforms are not avaliable on Amazon US at all). The cartridge NASB2 SKU sold the same amount of copies in the past month as Switch NASB1. There isn't even a listing for any other NASB2 SKUs. Of the 10 NASB1 SKUs on Amazon US, some of which don't even have box art, only one has less reviews than all 3 NASB2 SKUs combined (a duplicate, possibly scam, listing of the PS4 SKU that is mistakenly labled Teen and has NASB2's description).
All of that is circumstantial evidence at best and assumption at worst. Topping a chart doesn't mean anything as pure sales numbers amongst all games vary greatly from week to week, sponsoring a Youtuber costs money and that money could've been better spent improving the game, and reviews are not an indication of purchase; I and basically everyone I know only ever leaves a review if the product is exceedingly bad.
 

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Topping a chart doesn't mean anything as pure sales numbers amongst all games vary greatly from week to week
The whole point of a chart is to track sales numbers. NASB2, as far as I know, has never been on a chart whatsoever, this doesn't inherently confirm it sold poorly, especially given that licensed games tend to be granny-sees-SpongeBob-and-buys-it slow-burns instead of relying on hype, but a game that hasn't ever been on a chart is always going to be at a disadvantage against a game that has topped multiple charts, one of which it has topped multiple times - NASB1's second chart topping was AFTER NASB2 released in fact.

sponsoring a Youtuber costs money and that money could've been better spent improving the game
Yes, that is where money is better used for game quality, but we're talking about sales. Not game quality. Game quality and sales do not go hand in hand, never will, and never should, because sales are objective and quality is subjective. Marketing benefits sales, quality does not.

I and basically everyone I know only ever leaves a review if the product is exceedingly bad.
You call me out for using "circumstantial evidence" and then immediately say this? Anyway, here are the ratings of both games' most reviewed SKUs - NASB1 US Switch on left, NASB2 US code-in-box on right. I'm quite familiar with Amazon reviews, and negative ones are EXTREMELY rare for any product whatsoever.
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To put into comparison how rare negative reviews are on Amazon, here are the reviews for notorious "unplayable scam" Gollum (PS4 US SKU)
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Stop seeking validation and fighting the NASB1 stigma, and just play and be enthusiastic about the game you like.
 
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The whole point of a chart is to track sales numbers. NASB2, as far as I know, has never been on a chart whatsoever, this doesn't inherently confirm it sold poorly, especially given that licensed games tend to be granny-sees-SpongeBob-and-buys-it slow-burns instead of relying on hype, but a game that hasn't ever been on a chart is always going to be at a disadvantage against a game that has topped multiple charts, one of which it has topped multiple times - NASB1's second chart topping was AFTER NASB2 released in fact.


Yes, that is where money is better used for game quality, but we're talking about sales. Not game quality. Game quality and sales do not go hand in hand, never will, and never should, because sales are objective and quality is subjective. Marketing benefits sales, quality does not.


You call me out for using "circumstantial evidence" and then immediately say this? Anyway, here are the ratings of both games' most reviewed SKUs - NASB1 US Switch on left, NASB2 US code-in-box on right. I'm quite familiar with Amazon reviews, and negative ones are EXTREMELY rare for any product whatsoever.
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To put into comparison how rare negative reviews are on Amazon, here are the reviews for notorious "unplayable scam" Gollum (PS4 US SKU)
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Stop seeking validation and fighting the NASB1 stigma, and just play and be enthusiastic about the game you like.
I am not seeking validation, stop projecting. Just being on a chart is not confirmation of sales numbers. Until you've got the objective physical evidence to back up your claims, you're full of **** by saying that one game outsold the other. That is an objective fact.

My point with the last part, which you clearly missed, is that only a minute percentage of people leave reviews in the first place. Let's take a guarantee example: Super Mario Odyssey. On the first SKU I found on Amazon, there are 33,000 customer ratings. According to Wikipedia, Super Mario Odyssey has sold over 27 million copies, but you'd be hard-pressed to know that based on Amazon SKUs. The fact of the matter is that you do not know how many copies either game has sold, and you're not taking your own objective bias into account when claiming the first game sold better. If only 1000 games where purchased in a week total, and an overwhelming majority of those were Scrimblo Bimblo Adventure, it would top the chart, obviously. That's nothing compared to a Tears of the Kingdom, a Pokemon, a Minecraft - games most people already own. Not to mention that one of the times I know you are citing is when the game was on sale for an incredibly steep discount.

I am not trying to say the second game outsold the first. All I am saying is that public perception of the latter game is clearly more positive, meaning that, theoretically speaking, DLC is going to get bigger buzz. Whether the game gets more DLC or not is irrelevant; as my entire point is based on public perception of the game, which, might I remind you: the first game is seen as laughingstock shovelware by the overwhelming majority.
 

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I mean as someone who's been paying attention for a while, it seems very obvious to me that NASB1 sold considerably more. Review numbers, online engagement numbers and view counts, concurrent player counts, and general publicity and mind share all VASTLY seem to favor the first game.

As someone who loves both of the games, NASB1 had the bigger draw. The reason a lot of people seem to be more positive about the second is that most of the people who didn't like the first game didn't bother coming back. It's the whole "you only get one chance at a first impression" thing.

Everyone and their mother was talking about the first game. The second game did not have that. That's not a statement of quality one way or the other, but it's just how it is.
 

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I mean as someone who's been paying attention for a while, it seems very obvious to me that NASB1 sold considerably more. Review numbers, online engagement numbers and view counts, concurrent player counts, and general publicity and mind share all VASTLY seem to favor the first game.

As someone who loves both of the games, NASB1 had the bigger draw. The reason a lot of people seem to be more positive about the second is that most of the people who didn't like the first game didn't bother coming back. It's the whole "you only get one chance at a first impression" thing.

Everyone and their mother was talking about the first game. The second game did not have that. That's not a statement of quality one way or the other, but it's just how it is.
There is another factor that hasn't been brought up here: the first game has been available for 2 1/2 years, as opposed to the second which has been available for only about 6 1/2 months. Obviously the first game is slowly going to gain a steady supply of dripfeed sales over time. We also don't know how well this round of DLC has sold, but if a majority of people who bought the game also purchased the DLC, I feel like that's a good indicator to Nickelodeon that, for lack of better terminology, there's still more money they can milk out of this game. The first game's negative general perception likely did have an impact on the DLC sales, even despite pulling in two of the biggest requests.

One way or the other my point wasn't to make a big deal over which game sold better - it was to dissuade the negative perception over the possibility of more DLC. They're not even halfway done with the first batch yet - so making a judgement on whether there will or won't be more DLC isn't fair to make.

Personally speaking, I'd like to see more DLC as this lineup of characters is a mixed bag for me and I'd like to see both some returning faces as well as some new series get represented. I vastly do prefer the second game - it's one of my favorite platfighters by a long shot and is infinitely better than Multiversus was during it's beta - so naturally I'd like to see it have a long and healthy development cycle.

For the record, I did very much enjoy the first game. I thought it was a great starting point. But in a similar method to past Smash titles, it's not a game I plan on revisiting frequently unless I have an overwhelming itch to play a specific character who didn't return. That said, if by some miracle the other 2 turtles, CatDog, Oblina, Hugh, Sandy, Toph, and Powdered Toast Man all did eventually make their way into 2, I would literally have no reason to return to the first.

Also bring back Omashu and Ghost Zone I unironically liked those stages and their music
 

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I just got home from Combo Breaker. I unfortunately missed out on registering for the tournament there, but it was hype to watch the Top 8 - unfortunately, due to the low number of entrance, they were fighting for space for setups to play most of the weekend for friendlies, and they only for four stations to run their bracket. ...and they got the one Combo Breaker first place trophy that was broken.

I also got to play the game on a fight stick setup which I personally didn't care for but was cool to try.
 

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What would you think if in a sequel, we get Hazel from the Fairlyodd parents sequel as a playable characters? Assuming the FoP issue is really Timmy specifically, maybe Hazel could make the cut, and the show seems to be getting good review, and while I haven't watched it yet, I guess Hazel's moveset would be fairly similar to Timmy with her using the fairies in wacky way.
 

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What would you think if in a sequel, we get Hazel from the Fairlyodd parents sequel as a playable characters? Assuming the FoP issue is really Timmy specifically, maybe Hazel could make the cut, and the show seems to be getting good review, and while I haven't watched it yet, I guess Hazel's moveset would be fairly similar to Timmy with her using the fairies in wacky way.
At this point, I think if the one constant in FOP productions is Cosmo and Wanda, then it'd make the most sense to just make them playable.
 

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Since I was so disappointed by NASB2, I felt like writing my own take on how a NASB2 should've been done
-Same gameplay style. The only difference really is that 1. RPS is gone and 2. you can air dodge by pressing air dash without a directional input (air dash + taunt as an alternate input for those who may struggle)
-Cel-shaded characters and items, but backgrounds have no real change in appearance compared to NASB1
-Story mode is platforming focused, I think NASB1's engine lends itself very well to this kind of gameplay. Peaches is the villain.
-Each stage has 1 casual and 1 competitive form. Both are unique
-Movesets are mostly unchanged, apart from balancing and replacing redundant moves.
-Proper alternate costumes exist in the same way as NASB2, just without the shady monetization
-I would have a similar mentality to the roster as NASB2 (cut half (including Lincoln), focus on expanding shows already repped) BUT it would still stay firmly grounded in 90s Nick, not pivoting to 2000s, at least not majorly.
 
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So poor zuko right always getting either left out or relagated too Dlc!
Poor guy can never catch a break!
In my Opinion Avatar should be repped in this Order:

1. Aang (obvioulsy)
2.. Zuko (I mean hes just that popular and important that i think hes the 1 sidecharacter to come before korra)
3. Korra (Duh)
4. The rest of the Gaang/ATLA Villains
5. The Rest Of Korra

I dunno nevver heard a lot of love for the Korra Side Chars compared to the Last Airbender ones!
Also if a new Avatar Get´s a show he/She is slotted in in between 3. and 4.

Granted i still havent watched korra so maybe this list is wrong!
 

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Rocksteady is on the way with some new stages too.
that render makes me go haha. that goofy smile.

Also new stages is great, hope to see Traffic Jam, Slime Time, or a reworked Space Madness
 
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Ah, so they're saving the best for last, I see.

Also, was not expecting more stages. That's pretty cool! My one question is whether they're remixed versions of NASB1 stages that aren't here, or completely new ones.

Either way, new stages mean new background theme music, and I'm definitely down for that!
 

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If we get an announcement of another DLC pass after Iroh/Rocksteady, then I'll reopen Rate Their Chances

So poor zuko right always getting either left out or relagated too Dlc!
Poor guy can never catch a break!
In my Opinion Avatar should be repped in this Order:

1. Aang (obvioulsy)
2.. Zuko (I mean hes just that popular and important that i think hes the 1 sidecharacter to come before korra)
3. Korra (Duh)
4. The rest of the Gaang/ATLA Villains
5. The Rest Of Korra

I dunno nevver heard a lot of love for the Korra Side Chars compared to the Last Airbender ones!
Also if a new Avatar Get´s a show he/She is slotted in in between 3. and 4.

Granted i still havent watched korra so maybe this list is wrong!
They know Zuko is a super desirable character, so it doesn't shock me that he'd be a go-to DLC choice for GameMill going forward.

And yeah, I agree with your list! If I were picking, I would've just had Zuko in the base game, or swapped Azula/Iroh for Toph and Katara or Sokka (especially since, while lightning is cool, Azula wasn't really utilized as a villain for story mode. And if we wanted an Avatar villain I would've either gone whole hog and added Ozai (who also has lightning) or Admiral Zhao (as a goofier pick in-line with the game)).

I'm interested in seeing what new stages we'll get. There are some great choices from the first game that I'd love to see get a little update!
 
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Custom characters in peak is now possible
my first thought was "that's such a random character to mod in" but actually the hyper-fast gameplay of Nick makes perfect sense for Megaman X


Unrelated: I am looking forward to jumping back into NASB now that I've actually watched about half of Avatar and counting. Problem is that I'm very nervous about pinging the discord for friendlies, I know everyone will be way better than me.
 
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I think this might indirectly confirm that there is going to be a second wave of DLC, and this second wave would include characters from new, unrepped shows.
 

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The current DLC characters aren't coming with new stages unlike the first game's DLC characters, which might be because the first game's DLC characters all came from new, unrepped shows while none of this game's DLC characters are from new shows.
 

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The current DLC characters aren't coming with new stages unlike the first game's DLC characters, which might be because the first game's DLC characters all came from new, unrepped shows while none of this game's DLC characters are from new shows.
they could just do staffed without characters. Smash 4 did it
 

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The current DLC characters aren't coming with new stages unlike the first game's DLC characters, which might be because the first game's DLC characters all came from new, unrepped shows while none of this game's DLC characters are from new shows.
The specific wording was "yes, but next patch" (presumably the one after Rocksteady, not the one with Rocksteady), so they couldn't be character-tied unless they were based on the 4 we have already, which I personally doubt.

Also, what do you guys think the chance is that, with Cemetary getting variants, classic Cemetary with the hazards would be among them?
 
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I know of an obscure nickelodeon character who got recently replaced by his female sidekick (atleast for now)...
His name is i think LINK dont know if you heard from him? A lot of people cant tell that his eyes are ovals not circles/ Dots!
 
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