Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

[Samus Harang]

we already have a general lack of good casual stages

I think the main issue is that the stages in this game generally fall into two extremes: Stages that more or less try to keep a competitive, symmetrical layout even if the stage can't be legal for one reason or another and stages which are gigantic amusement parks with a lot going on but require you to chase your opponent and sometimes fight the stage itself at the same time.

What the game lacks are stages which hit the sweet spot between them. If you look at Slap City, which has more stages overall which helps granted, there are a lot of stages that are medium sized with uneven elevations in their terrain. They feel more like real places you just happen to be fighting in without going overboard on spectacle for the sake of having spectacle.

 

[Guynamednelson]

What the game lacks are stages which hit the sweet spot between them.

I think RWC was that before this patch, actually. All the more reason to hope this is only temporary and they're working on a Harmonic Convergence which makes sense looking shorter.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I think RWC was that before this patch, actually. All the more reason to hope this is only temporary and they're working on a Harmonic Convergence which makes sense looking shorter.

I dunno, I feel like RWC before was just both sides of the spectrum mashed together, i.e. an extremely plain layout with a super annoying and unpredictable stage hazard. If anything, I'm glad they ditched the gravestones and are letting it just be this game's FD and I hope they can do something to make Convergence a little more unique without just slapping a lame hazard on it.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I liked having each series be different for comp stages

And... the Loud House doesn't have a competitive stage other than Royal Woods sooooo....

 

[Capybara Gaming]

And... the Loud House doesn't have a competitive stage other than Royal Woods sooooo....

Now Avatar has none and TMNT has two, that's my problem

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Now Avatar has none and TMNT has two, that's my problem

Why does equal representation matter in a competitive stagelist? And why is it so important for Avatar specifically to have a competitive stage? Plus Sewer has been tourney legal since launch anyway, it just hasn't applied to the in-game competitive ruleset option until now. The Royal Woods change wasn't made around aesthetics, it was made around stage size.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Not to be that guy but technically Avatar never had one, Legend of Korra did

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Not to be that guy but technically Avatar never had one, Legend of Korra did

It's the Avatar franchise. I don't consider them different because they're clearly connected, Korra's just like Yoshi, DK, and Wario are to Mario.

Why does equal representation matter in a competitive stagelist? And why is it so important for Avatar specifically to have a competitive stage? Plus Sewer has been tourney legal since launch anyway, it just hasn't applied to the in-game competitive ruleset option until now. The Royal Woods change wasn't made around aesthetics, it was made around stage size.

Bruh they literally said they wanted to have each one be different since it gives better themed variety. And it doesn't need one, even if Avatar is one of the most important series they've ever produced, I just want them to have one since Avatar is my favorite fictional franchise of all time. Why do you always have to be a contrarian to everything I say?

 

[Mamboo07]

I was expecting Rocko's stage to be O-Town

I like the house being in space

 

[LimeTH]

Just got back from a weekend trip so I gotta catch up with all the happenings in the thread, but I gotta say, damn...

t LimeTH LimeTH was right about his stage being from the intro to Static Cling,

It's crazy being right.

 

[Baysha]

Just got back from a weekend trip so I gotta catch up with all the happenings in the thread, but I gotta say, damn...



It's crazy being right.

You just missed the surprise reveal of the new singular one-slot fighter with no s, Norbert and Dagget as a duo.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

https://twitter.com/diegotzee/status/1579256344778969088?s=46&t=6ERi9Ew39cmeelIHG9Q5TA

The scrunkly

 

[LimeTH]

Gave Rocko a quick try, I'm no good at zoners but I do love how he looks in this. Probably one of the best realized characters in the game.

You just missed the surprise reveal of the new singular one-slot fighter with no s, Norbert and Dagget as a duo.

Wiseguy, eh?

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Kart Racers 3 website updated, seems to establish pretty firmly that there's 40 characters in the game

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Sooo... any theories about why Tommy and Angelica are absent? I had 2 theories of my own, but immediately disproved them

1. Tommy is too small or has too short limbs to ride a bike - GIR is back, and he's smaller + stubbier
2. They don't want a character wearing a dress while on a bike - there are other characters wearing dresses and the characters sit upright on bikes

My best guess, if not my earlier VA theory (which I have a bit of doubt in, since they still got Chuckie who is voiced by Bart Simpson) is that they wanted to cut down on 1990s content in response to NASB's backlash, but even that doesn't make sense to me given Rugrats went on into 2004 and has a reboot on TV currently, a significant number of the new characters are from the 90s, and even then it doesn't explain why Chuckie and Reptar returned without Tommy and Angelica.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Jojo, Purple Reptar, and the Kamp Koral versions of SpongeBob and Pat are complete wastes. I realize the latter two and Squidina were probably forced by Nick execs, but there's no excuse to cut legacy picks like Tommy and Angelica for a palette swap and a real-life actor who openly criticizes the company (also just noting that Jojo Siwa doesn't even remotely look like that anymore).

 

[fogbadge]

So they cut some unique characters and replaced them with versions of characters we already have? Talk about channeling Mario kart

 

[LimeTH]

Tommy and Angelica of all characters getting cut but putting in a Reptar recolor and baby versions of Spongebob and Patrick, and keeping an actress who has all but severed ties with Nick, I don't even have words for it, it's genuinely ridiculous.

Way to trip at the finish line.

 

[Guynamednelson]

It'd be easier for me to believe their VAs had issues if EG Daily and Cheryl Chase's filmographies didn't scream "We don't do much nowadays except for voicing Tommy and Angelica"

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

While we're at it, why were Ren and Oblina in the intro for the original Nicktoons Racing but not playable?

 

[Zzuxon]

Out of all the DLC characters, Rocko is the first that is really not vibing with me, unfortunately. I've been getting most of my money's worth by playing against the Rocko CPU, which is pretty fun.

I do love the jackhammer though; a projectile that's absurdly good at controlling space and applying pressure at the cost of similarly restricting your own options because it hits you also is a super creative dynamic that is unlike anything I've seen in the platform fighter space.

 

[Geoffrey Druyts]

Sooo... any theories about why Tommy and Angelica are absent? I had 2 theories of my own, but immediately disproved them

1. Tommy is too small or has too short limbs to ride a bike - GIR is back, and he's smaller + stubbier
2. They don't want a character wearing a dress while on a bike - there are other characters wearing dresses and the characters sit upright on bikes

If bikes are the reason some characters got cut, then I wished they didn't add bikes at all.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If bikes are the reason some characters got cut, then I wished they didn't add bikes at all.

i literally said that bikes aren't the reason (for Tommy and Angelica at least)

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

a real-life actor who openly criticizes the company (also just noting that Jojo Siwa doesn't even remotely look like that anymore).

all the more reason why I think she was added before her and Nick split ties

 

[RileyXY1]

all the more reason why I think she was added before her and Nick split ties

Yeah. I believe that the roster was decided back around the time of NASB’s prerelease period, which was before JoJo severed ties with Nick.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I should mention, there's a new Nick-branded Jojo Siwa game coming out for Switch. Published by Outright and not GameMill though,

 

[Geoffrey Druyts]

Published by Outright,

Who?

Spoiler: Oh no...

Those guys...

 

[fogbadge]

Who?

Spoiler: Oh no...

Those guys...

i don’t know how to react to that

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I wonder if Jojo will voice herself in the kart racing games. Considering how she cut ties with Nick I wouldn't even be shocked f someone else did similar to Lebron James in Multiversus who is not voiced by him.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So...I check up on NKR3 news after a hiatus and find out that alongside Squidina, they do the closest thing to aping MK's use of babies with KK Spongebob and Patrick. Are we sure that no one at Bamtang is smoking anything?

That said, I haven't noticed physical copies for that game yet.

Also, nice to see wild takes for Rocko being weaponized.

 

[Samus Harang]

Not to say it isn't a bad look for the developers, but I don't really think that palette swaps like Monochrome Raphael or Purple Reptar take the place of full characters. If Rugrats were going to be missing for some reason they were going to be missing either way.

The game probably just lacks color change functionality so they get full slots instead as a substitute. Only annoying thing about this is that you will probably see two versions of the same character on the track at the same time even in CPU races when this could be programmed not to happen, SpongeBob clones included,

Speaking of, KK Sandy is cute and should have probably been in over Squidina.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I don't think Jojo has ever officially cut ties with Nick - criticised them, yes, but I cannot find any explicit proof that she is no longer working with Nickelodeom.

 

[fogbadge]

So...I check up on NKR3 news after a hiatus and find out that alongside Squidina, they do the closest thing to aping MK's use of babies with KK Spongebob and Patrick. Are we sure that no one at Bamtang is smoking anything?

That said, I haven't noticed physical copies for that game yet.

Also, nice to see wild takes for Rocko being weaponized.

smoking? no. snorting? yes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Speaking of, KK Sandy is cute and should have probably been in over Squidina.

Yeah, but then again I wouldn't like to see her get unnecessary heat due to "wasting" a slot.

NKR3 silliness aside, I'm curious to see where NASB will go from here. I hope we'll hear something around late Fall or early Winter.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Not to say it isn't a bad look for the developers, but I don't really think that palette swaps like Monochrome Raphael or Purple Reptar take the place of full characters. If Rugrats were going to be missing for some reason they were going to be missing either way.

The game probably just lacks color change functionality so they get full slots instead as a substitute. Only annoying thing about this is that you will probably see two versions of the same character on the track at the same time even in CPU races when this could be programmed not to happen, SpongeBob clones included,

Speaking of, KK Sandy is cute and should have probably been in over Squidina.

I'll be honest - I'd rather not have alternate costumes at all and have less characters than have recolors and alternate costumes as " more characters!"

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

I'll be honest - I'd rather not have alternate costumes at all and have less characters than have recolors and alternate costumes as " more characters!"

I take it you're not fond of echo fighters either?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If "includes 40 racers!" wasn't the first concrete thing we knew about this game I don't think anyone would be complaining about the clones, at least not this much. The missing 4's absence is almost certainly not directly related to the clones. (for one, there's only 3 clones within the 40 base characters)

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I take it you're not fond of echo fighters either?

Echo fighters are fine. They're completely different characters generally speaking. I wish they'd be more unique but at least they aren't an actual, literal palette swap given its own slot. And they're also more forgivable in a fighting game, but in a racing game where there is less work to do, palette and costume swaps come off as lazy.

There's also the company political reason that these ones specifically bug me, considering two of the four swaps come from shows that blatantly disrespect the wishes of SpongeBob's creator.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

There's also the company political reason that these ones specifically bug me, considering two of the four swaps come from shows that blatantly disrespect the wishes of SpongeBob's creator.

Oh my god, people actually still believe that BS? Stephen signed off on Kamp Koral - and even if he didn't, it's common knowledge in the animation space that studios can do whatever the hell they want with your creations. It's not exactly a good rule, but it's also something everybody knows - they would not have needed to "wait" for Stephen's death.

Anyway, if you've got a problem with studios disrespecting dead creators, you should also be taking aim at whatever the hell WB are doing with the old Hanna-Barbera cartoons. I wouldn't call these disrespectful either, but they certainly show a lot less regard for the "sanctity" of their source material than the SpongeBob spin-offs.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Oh my god, people actually still believe that BS? Stephen signed off on Kamp Koral - and even if he didn't, it's common knowledge in the animation space that studios can do whatever the hell they want with your creations. It's not exactly a good rule, but it's also something everybody knows - they would not have needed to "wait" for Stephen's death.

Anyway, if you've got a problem with studios disrespecting dead creators, you should also be taking aim at whatever the hell WB are doing with the old Hanna-Barbera cartoons. I wouldn't call these disrespectful either, but they certainly show a lot less regard for the "sanctity" of their source material than the SpongeBob spin-offs.

I 100% do have problems with those, especially the Velma series (speaking as a lifelong Scooby fan). And whether he signed off or not is 100% relevant when we still have it on record, via interview, that Stephen didn't want spinoffs in the first place. It's highly likely that Nickelodeon just twisted his arm with Kamp Koral.

https://tbivision.com/2009/10/27/spongebob-squarepants-creator-steve-hillenburg/

"Patrick himself would be a little too much" and yet they did exactly that.

Don't believe everything that comes from corporate PR. Companies love to lie.