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fortnite has characters as skins.
Agreed, I flippin' love Peely. It'd probably be Jonesy who makes the cut, but Fortnite has a lot of fun designs that I'd like to see make it instead.I don't know much about Fortnite, but I do know that I'd be hard pressed to complain about getting a banana with a gun.
Jonesy is whatever, he's... he's there. But a banana with a gun just feels like it better captures what Smash is about, lol.
Plus the banana (alright **** it let me check its actual name) - Peely - seems like one of the more identifiable and prolific characters in the game. So it's not some random pick. I think. I guess. I don't really know.
To each their own, but this just seems so much more fun than some normal ass dude.
The first level I tried the badge on didn't support it, so I was confused as to why it didn't do anything. When it actually does do something, I wish it would accept your button presses even if you can't actually jump right then.
yeah like I said, I feel like Gordon is the least likely character out of all the ones I suggested. Sakurai has praised both Portal and Half-Life in the past, but it's worth noting that like, Sakurai plays pretty much everything that has a Japanese translation, his youtube channel uses clips from a massive variety of games. I really think the likeliest shot Gordon has would be if Nintendo picked out the DLC and wanted to include a Valve character due to their expansion, or if a second ballot happens and a TF2 character gets a ton of votes. Like was mentioned though, Nintendo might view Valve as a direct competitor, so it's hard to say.
I just pictured Blue Gel rocketing characters (especially fast ones like Sonic) into blast zones. I need this in my life now.
Could they? Yeah. I don't particularly want it, though. At the most similar I'd want Funky to be a semi clone, but to slap DK's rig and mannerisms over Funky and call it a day would be an extreme disservice to the character in my eyes.
There's also the fact that some existing characters already operate on their own "rhythm". Incineroar and Wii Fit Trainer have moves that involve very specific timing - Alolan Whip and Header / Deep Breathing respectively. All that a Rhythm Heaven character would need to do is have an internal metronome tied to certain attacks, and perhaps a light visual indicator of when the button should be pressed, and it would take no time at all for people to get accustomed to those patterns. It wouldn't need to be as extreme as the Mario Wonder rhythm badge, where every single motion is done to a tempo. It's not a foreign concept to Smash Bros, just one that is typically used sparingly and would make up the bulk of a RH character's specials / smashes instead.
There's a huge gap in how excited I'd be for a Fortnite character between Jonesy, and someone like Peely or especially Fishstick. It's good that the game has at least done a number to further establish Jonesy as his own character, who actually has agency and does things outside of being a basic skin, but leaning into one of the goofier skins or at least having them as alternate options would do a lot to emphasize that Fortnite is a silly game with its own sense of humor.
I like a lot of your idea, but I just want to comment on Karate Joe. As much as I want it, I just don't see it happening anymore, and I don't see Rhythm heaven getting a characters before Golden sun who have much more fan request. The only thing that would save Rhythm heaven at this point imo is that if they finally do a new game for the Switch for the final year of the console, which I could maybe see happening considering that Nintendo have been reviving some older franchise (I mean, we're getting a Endless ocean of all thing this year, surely Rhythm heaven as a shot, right?). But with no new game, I think they would prioritise Isaac for a "older" first party franchise. If Sakurai specifically want a rhythm moveset, at this point I think he would turn to third party characters such as Cadence from Crypt of Necrodancer (which I think is a super under-discussed indie rep considering she's getting a new game this year and she have a big crossover game with Zelda) or maybe Donchan from Taiko no Tatsujin.hey this is my first post and I don't really know how to break the ice, so I'm just gonna post my fanmade roster lol. I think it's kind of funny how we apparently all just feel it in our bones that Smash stuff is happening within a year or two, and it's surprising how active this forum still is.
This isn't really an actual roster, I obviously don't think we'd get this many new characters. I'm approaching it basically in the sense of like, characters I think have a notable shot for the next Smash in terms of having something going for them while still being characters Nintendo would realistically be willing to add. Essentially if I was Sakurai and Nintendo was looking over me as I was picking the next characters, what would be my shortlist of characters I think are worth adding, and then out of these picking a handful to be the full lineup. Also assume I've absorbed Sakurai's personality and memories to perfectly disguise myself as him so Harada doesn't notice his friend has been replaced and kill me while not fixing Tekken 8's matchmaking or battle pass.
I'm also approaching it in the sense of it being an Ultimate Deluxe, just because otherwise it would involve cuts and that'd be a whole separate discussion that I think would warrant its own post, and I feel like in that case newcomers would partially serve as a way to fill lost archetypes. If you lost Incineroar for example, I think it'd be important to add another grab-focused heavyweight character with a side special command grab and damage buffs but weak neutral, because that's an important playstyle that most closely aligns with traditional grapplers, and with how unexpected a lot of the playstyles can be for even popularly requested newcomers who get in, I think that's more difficult to judge.
Definitely heavy on the third-parties, I wanted to get a few picks I don't think you see as much. It would be boring if it was the same roster as everybody else's and I think a lot of these characters are just worth talking about. Like I said, I think for an actual game, only a handful of these would be picked. I didn't really try to heavily divide between DLC and base game, because it's somewhat arbitrary beyond DLC obviously needing to sell and generally focusing on new mechanics, and it seems like characters like Hero would have been base game anyways had Sakurai and the dev team had enough time to get them in. If I were to divide, I'd say basically every first party pick except Takamaru could work as DLC and be able to sell, while also still fitting in as base game characters, while for the third parties, I could see Doomguy, Akira, Rayman, and maybe Geno being base game. Also no echoes because I just don't have as much to say there.
Here's the explanations if you're at all interested, I tried to briefly suggest what their playstyle could be like for most of them. These explanations ended up being fairly long and I spent a few hours writing them all, so if you're interested you can just skip to whichever character you're curious about.
I ended up writing way way too much lol, so I hope someone reads at least some of what I wrote. I think there's a lot of interesting options to discuss in general and a lot of directions a new Smash could go.
Well, you could give the "moveset based on other rhythm game" to pretty much every character, not just Karate Joe. Personally I'd rather have Chorus kids just because their design are very unique and it feels like a better representation of what the franchise is about instead of a generic Karate man.
I think we're unfortunately of a similar mind about Rhythm Heaven's current state, and I agree with everything you said about Golden Sun taking precedent. That's been exactly my thought process. I don't like to think of these dormant legacy series as being in contest with one another but I do think it's an uphill climb that requires a lot of fan outcry to put them on the map alongside whoever is actually current. Without that extra motivation I can't really justify why Sakurai would dig back on RH unless he really, really, REALLY regrets that he couldn't make it work back in Smash 4. There's space for both Golden Sun and Rhythm Heaven if they choose to utilize it, but Isaac has always been the favorite amongst the neglected 2000s-era franchises that seem to occupy a similar community space while Rhythm Heaven has always been the novelty that many fans would accept, but are not exactly pressed for.
I don't know if I feel the same about Cadence, but I do think Don-Chan is severely under-discussed. Nintendo and Taiko have a pretty close relationship, dishing out songs from Kirby and Splatoon for the Switch release and of course Mario palling it up with Don Wada in Mario Kart GP. The series has strong pull across Japanese arcades and has been one of the most resilient rhythm series for over 20 years. As far as Namco prospects go I think Tales and Dark Souls may sit slightly above in terms of feasibility, but Taiko would be my number 3.
can we get a hazard toggle that isn't cumbersome to use pls and thank you
I agree, I think Rhythm Heaven probably isn't too likely to get a new game without at least a major shakeup. TSUNKU has shown interest but still has obvious hurdles to get past, and a lot of the team behind it is already doing the Warioware games. I think the best bet for a Rhythm Heaven character is at the very least some kind of rerelease collection on the Switch. Still, I would say it's definitely in a better position than Golden Sun was, I'm not sure they're exactly comparable. Rhythm Heaven has more games released more consistently across a wider period of time, and is still referenced in the Warioware series, while Golden Sun's only relevance is being added to NSO, and even prior to that, there was a very long gap until Dark Dawn, which wasn't a very successful game. Rhythm Heaven has always been a modest success.
I think Rhythm Heaven is more likely to get a new game at any point than Golden Sun is, but I think Golden Sun is in a better position to receive a character in Smash than Rhythm Heaven is. Just by virtue of consistent fan demand, and the series' own increased presence in Ultimate with a freshened up AT, mii costume and slew of new spirits to its name. I'm kind of shocked (and saddened) that we didn't even see a RH assist trophy, at this point. Worth noting that Golden Sun and Rhythm Heaven both have the largest number of spirits out of any Nintendo series without a playable character... maybe that doesn't mean too much, but I think it's clear those two are in a slightly above average position compared to their similarly dormant contemporaries.
I wonder if Get It Together was supposed to be RH Switch? It's unusual for one system to get two mainline WarioWares, you haven't seen that since Twisted.
I see where you're coming from, but I think in the case of Golden sun vs Rhythm heaven, relevancy doesn't matter that much when the last game is already 9 year old, and I don't think cameo is really saving the case for a new character. If anything I do agree that it shows that some teams at Nintendo are still open to do more with the franchise, but with nothing concrete it's hard to really be optimistic. To be fair we could always have both Isaac + Rhythm heaven, but we don't know how many newcomers the next Smash will have, and with a small number like Ultimate I really don't see them making room for RH. Maybe with a Smash 4 number of newcomers it would have more chances.
Neither GS or RH would normally be in a position to get a character atm. Despite both having the requisite success, they don't really go for first-party series that aren't current. And even when there was a retro spot, it was seemingly fixed to the NES/GB era, so they still wouldn't qualify.
I doubt it, I just think the Switch is a console that lends itself well to gimmicky hardware-oriented titles and WarioWare is a natural fit. I was also surprised to see a second WW game so suddenly, but I guess Move It is more of a "traditional" WW while Get It Together tried a bit of a different format.
To be fair I'm not super pumped on Isaac chances, I just think it's the most likely of the other "dormant Nintendo franchise".
Did Don-Chan originate from a videogame? (I honestly dont know)
Taiko no Tatsujin is a rhythm arcade game. What did you know it was before?
Yeah he did.
From all the potential DK newcomers, Funky kinda has the most legit reason to be an Echo or at least semi clone. However, I would love them all in as unique fighters. Dixie, Cranky and Funky of course. From these 3, Cranky is guaranteed to be unique, Dixie could be a potential semi clone of Diddy and most even insist on her being an Echo. But Funky has the most reasons to be an Echo. If I can take all 3, I wouldn't mind Dixie as semi clone and Funky as Echo. After all I love playing both Diddy and DK. But all 3 as unique fighters? A dream come true!
You should know the answer, you clicked the like button on posts regarding his moveset.
Plus there's precedent for him fighting like DK; IIRC he played mostly the same as him in Tropical Freeze apart from surfboard ****. Less of a stretch than Dark Samus at least, I'm sure that's good enough for the Smash devs.
I'd argue that Dixie is also more popular than him in the actual DKC fanbase (and kinda by far at that). Funky only has her beat in Mario Kart, which is actually another good point to make him an echo I think.
Rayman, Shovel Knight, Waluigi AND Chief? I wanna take this roster on a datehey this is my first post and I don't really know how to break the ice, so I'm just gonna post my fanmade roster lol. I think it's kind of funny how we apparently all just feel it in our bones that Smash stuff is happening within a year or two, and it's surprising how active this forum still is.
This isn't really an actual roster, I obviously don't think we'd get this many new characters. I'm approaching it basically in the sense of like, characters I think have a notable shot for the next Smash in terms of having something going for them while still being characters Nintendo would realistically be willing to add. Essentially if I was Sakurai and Nintendo was looking over me as I was picking the next characters, what would be my shortlist of characters I think are worth adding, and then out of these picking a handful to be the full lineup. Also assume I've absorbed Sakurai's personality and memories to perfectly disguise myself as him so Harada doesn't notice his friend has been replaced and kill me while not fixing Tekken 8's matchmaking or battle pass.
I'm also approaching it in the sense of it being an Ultimate Deluxe, just because otherwise it would involve cuts and that'd be a whole separate discussion that I think would warrant its own post, and I feel like in that case newcomers would partially serve as a way to fill lost archetypes. If you lost Incineroar for example, I think it'd be important to add another grab-focused heavyweight character with a side special command grab and damage buffs but weak neutral, because that's an important playstyle that most closely aligns with traditional grapplers, and with how unexpected a lot of the playstyles can be for even popularly requested newcomers who get in, I think that's more difficult to judge.
Definitely heavy on the third-parties, I wanted to get a few picks I don't think you see as much. It would be boring if it was the same roster as everybody else's and I think a lot of these characters are just worth talking about. Like I said, I think for an actual game, only a handful of these would be picked. I didn't really try to heavily divide between DLC and base game, because it's somewhat arbitrary beyond DLC obviously needing to sell and generally focusing on new mechanics, and it seems like characters like Hero would have been base game anyways had Sakurai and the dev team had enough time to get them in. If I were to divide, I'd say basically every first party pick except Takamaru could work as DLC and be able to sell, while also still fitting in as base game characters, while for the third parties, I could see Doomguy, Akira, Rayman, and maybe Geno being base game. Also no echoes because I just don't have as much to say there.
Here's the explanations if you're at all interested, I tried to briefly suggest what their playstyle could be like for most of them. These explanations ended up being fairly long and I spent a few hours writing them all, so if you're interested you can just skip to whichever character you're curious about.
I ended up writing way way too much lol, so I hope someone reads at least some of what I wrote. I think there's a lot of interesting options to discuss in general and a lot of directions a new Smash could go.
This feels kind of extreme. I don't think the issue is that we haven't gotten Dixie; I think we'll get her eventually. I really don't see the case for why Funky wouldn't be unique (or a semi clone at the very most) other than "same build" argument.
This exact sentiment could be applied to Luigi.
Who is... the most iconic second player character of all time? Yeah. No way Luigi would be a carbon copy of Mario.
