Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[osby]

Would you like if next smash bros roster becomes 50% Nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
It makes me wonder how long it will take until nintendo newcomers becomes the least valuable addition we already have seen during DLC that Nintendo reps don’t seem to get much hype in the community in comparison to 3rd parties

Hmm, I feel like I wouldn't be a big fan of it.

Nintendo is a big part of the current roster and you can't get the 50-50 split without cutting a ton of first-party characters or just giving them little to no room in the newcomer department. It can still end up with a fun set of fighters but I think you're moving away from one of the game's big charm points.

 

[Oracle Link]

What's the one between midna and zoroark?

hmm that selection of 3rd parties feels really random



it appears to be the kirby bosses whispy woods and kracko. whispy jr that is which just makes it an even odder pairing

Its the two mini Versions of Whispy and Kracko namely Whispy Jr. and Co Kracko they are from 64 and Dreamland 2 Respectivly i dont know i like these tiny Guys!
Obviously they are Stand ins for their Parents!
Other than me being weird there are some reasons to use them instead of their Parents:
Size could be a issue with Whispy
Both are technically Sakurai Characters (Because of Sakurai Bias and Everything)
and thats about it for reasons Hey im not saying they are likely!
Although maybe i swap both of them out with Regular Kracko!

When it comes to Third Parties Thats the fun fact there is only one full third party (Because i think Bayo is 2nd Party like Kirby and Pokemon)
And that is Pacman who is in cause Bandai Namco made/Makes Smash!
I wanted to focus on nintendo with that roster!

 

[fogbadge]

(Because i think Bayo is 2nd Party like Kirby and Pokemon)

that is horrifically and factually incorrect. please do not spread misinformation

 

[FazDude]

Bayonetta (at least 2 and 3) is Nintendo-exclusive, yes, but Nintendo did not contract Platinum in the same way they'd contract HAL/Game Freak for a Kirby/Pokemon game. Bayo's still third party.

 

[Oracle Link]

that is horrifically and factually incorrect. please do not spread misinformation

Okay i was wrong but the whole situation definitly is up to interpreation a lot!
So depending on how you look at it Bayo is either 1st or 3rd party!
But yeah it is owned by Sega but it cant release on other Plattforms!

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

What would your thoughts on Windows representation be? It's probably the one specific IP - third party or otherwise - I want to see represented in Smash most. I feel there's more than enough content to make spirits and music of for a Clippy or Cursor DLC pack, but just a stage and 2 or 3 songs or a single AT would be enough for me. I understand the consensus over whether Windows would even be elegible is a bit muddy (and generally negative), but I personally don't really see how it's that different from PictoChat or the Wii Shop. Will admit Halo should probably come first though.

 

[Geno Boost]

Hmm, I feel like I wouldn't be a big fan of it.

Nintendo is a big part of the current roster and you can't get the 50-50 split without cutting a ton of first-party characters or just giving them little to no room in the newcomer department. It can still end up with a fun set of fighters but I think you're moving away from one of the game's big charm points.

I think from business stand point it would definitely help selling the game that target communities that are not from Nintendo
Also There are definitely are many nintendo reps that can be cut from the roster even though I am not a fan of cutting characters

 

[fogbadge]

Okay i was wrong but the whole situation definitly is up to interpreation a lot!
So depending on how you look at it Bayo is either 1st or 3rd party!
But yeah it is owned by Sega but it cant release on other Plattforms!

no it isn’t because she’s not owned by Nintendo. She’s 3rd party

 

[FazDude]

What would your thoughts on Windows representation be? It's probably the one specific IP - third party or otherwise - I want to see represented in Smash most. I feel there's more than enough content to make spirits and music of for a Clippy or Cursor DLC pack, but just a stage and 2 or 3 songs or a single AT would be enough for me. I understand the consensus over whether Windows would even be elegible is a bit muddy (and generally negative), but I personally don't really see how it's that different from PictoChat or the Wii Shop. Will admit Halo should probably come first though.

Waited to respond to this one until I'm on PC - I have a lot to say!

I'm still not 100% sure what my stance on Windows content in Smash is. On one hand, I think it'd be interesting - I do think there's enough content to make a full on Challenger's Pack with Clippy as the star, and people being introduced to the history of Windows would be cool as well. A lot more people use Windows on a daily basis than, let's say, people who like one specific game franchise, so in a sense, Windows would be one of the least "literally who" franchises you could add to Smash! So on a conceptual level, I'd love Windows content.

That leads to a question, though; Is Windows a gaming series? I'd argue no - Although WaWaWa does cite PictoChat and the Wii Shop Channel as non-games with content in Smash, those services were specifically made for gaming consoles, while Windows is a computer operating system first and foremost. At the same time, though, PC gaming is wildly popular, so by that logic, you could argue someone like Clippy is a console mascot like Mr. G&W and ROB?

So yeah, that's why I'm on the fence about Windows stuff - It'd be awesome, but it's sitting on a fine line between being a non-gaming and gaming franchise, IMO. Even if you subscribe to the former idea, I'd still say that Clippy would be one of the very few fourth-parties I wouldn't be considerably opposed to.

 

[Geno Boost]

curious how long it will take until Roblox rep becomes serious smash suggestion
I remember was seen by many as a joke smash suggestion but here we are Minecraft is the most sold game ever and was worth the inclusion to be added with gaming all stars
While Roblox still has not been on a Nintendo system yet it is currently the most played game that is still growing a lot to this day

I am pretty Steve vs Roblox Noob would be a historical moment in gaming

What would your thoughts on Windows representation be? It's probably the one specific IP - third party or otherwise - I want to see represented in Smash most. I feel there's more than enough content to make spirits and music of for a Clippy or Cursor DLC pack, but just a stage and 2 or 3 songs or a single AT would be enough for me. I understand the consensus over whether Windows would even be elegible is a bit muddy (and generally negative), but I personally don't really see how it's that different from PictoChat or the Wii Shop. Will admit Halo should probably come first though.

Ngl I want Clippy in smash he is basically a console mascot just like I think we can agree that PC does count as a gaming console and also Clippy did have his own game

Think about this for a second Microsoft owns 3 console mascots Crash for PlayStation and Master Cheif for Xbox and Clippy for Windows PC

Also it would be funny seeing Microsoft office assistance as spirits

 

[HyperSomari64]

curious how long it will take until Roblox rep becomes serious suggestion
I remember was seen by many as a joke smash suggestion but here we are Minecraft is the most sold game ever and was worth the inclusion to be added with gaming all stars
While Roblox still has not been on a Nintendo system yet it is currently the most played game that is still growing a lot to this day
I am pretty Steve vs Roblox Noob would be a historical moment in gaming

If Smash added special ring-outs like in MultiVersus, we could see the classic "OOF" sound as the sole representation.

 

[Ivander]

If Smash added special ring-outs like in MultiVersus, we could see the classic "OOF" sound as the sole representation.

I'm assuming we don't talk about Megaman.

 

[silenthunder]

If Smash added special ring-outs like in MultiVersus, we could see the classic "OOF" sound as the sole representation.

Lanky Kong is another joke pick we should take seriously. (Also the oof is from Messiah, not roblox. They reused audio)

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

One thing I've been saying for a while now is that Smash not having any true "meme picks" yet, as in characters added solely in response to viral internet humour (and no, Waluigi would not count come his next-to-inevitable addition), has nothing to do with "integrity" or some gatekeepy BS like "pleasing only the TRUE fans". I think it's more to do with how many regions Smash is released into - memes tend to be mutually exclusive by region (sans regions that share languages), especially with the sort of niche fandom micromemes that spawn Hugh Neutrons and Ultra Instinct Shaggies. A Japanese dev team probably wouldn't spend enough time on Western Smash circles to pick up the idea of say, Morshu - and if they did somehow pick up and act on it, the non-English fandom would be wondering what the hell possessed them to add the top hat-wearing Goomba from Mario Party 4 and why his trailer is Kirby-themed.

 

[Gengar84]

One thing I've been saying for a while now is that Smash not having any true "meme picks" yet, as in characters added solely in response to viral internet humour (and no, Waluigi would not count come his next-to-inevitable addition), has nothing to do with "integrity" or some gatekeepy BS like "pleasing only the TRUE fans". I think it's more to do with how many regions Smash is released into - memes tend to be mutually exclusive by region (sans regions that share languages), especially with the sort of niche fandom micromemes that spawn Hugh Neutrons and Ultra Instinct Shaggies. A Japanese dev team probably wouldn't spend enough time on Western Smash circles to pick up the idea of say, Morshu - and if they did somehow pick up and act on it, the non-English fandom would be wondering what the hell possessed them to add the top hat-wearing Goomba from Mario Party 4 and why his trailer is Kirby-themed.

I feel like Duck Hunt is as close as we have to a meme pick in Smash.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I feel like Duck Hunt is as close as we have to a meme pick in Smash.

Not sure which of these two is more of a "meme" pick: Halo's Master 'John' Chief or Dragon Ball's Goku.
Make your bets

 

[MrMcNuts]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

The Rayman games have way too many amazing environments for me to pick just one, though I feel band land might be the best with how unique it is and it's pretty iconic from the first game.

As for existing reps, wouldn't mind a Wario land stage, or some more metroid

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Okay i was wrong but the whole situation definitly is up to interpreation a lot!
So depending on how you look at it Bayo is either 1st or 3rd party!
But yeah it is owned by Sega but it cant release on other Plattforms!

No

She's not

She is owner by SEGA

And exclusivity deal does make you owned by the company who owns the platform

 

[chocolatejr9]

One thing I've been saying for a while now is that Smash not having any true "meme picks" yet, as in characters added solely in response to viral internet humour (and no, Waluigi would not count come his next-to-inevitable addition), has nothing to do with "integrity" or some gatekeepy BS like "pleasing only the TRUE fans". I think it's more to do with how many regions Smash is released into - memes tend to be mutually exclusive by region (sans regions that share languages), especially with the sort of niche fandom micromemes that spawn Hugh Neutrons and Ultra Instinct Shaggies. A Japanese dev team probably wouldn't spend enough time on Western Smash circles to pick up the idea of say, Morshu - and if they did somehow pick up and act on it, the non-English fandom would be wondering what the hell possessed them to add the top hat-wearing Goomba from Mario Party 4 and why his trailer is Kirby-themed.

Oh, to see the results of a new Smash Ballot...

Not sure which of these two is more of a "meme" pick: Halo's Master 'John' Chief or Dragon Ball's Goku.
Make your bets

...

Why would MASTER CHIEF of all characters be a meme pick?

 

[HyperSomari64]

Why would MASTER CHIEF of all characters be a meme pick?

Why he's a legend on the industry, he's mostly joked in the Smash Ultimate speculation days, and his fans were attacked by both Steve and Banjo communities.
The waters were calm later on, and his "meme pick" status was gone. So a better poll can be:
Goku or Bubsy?

 

[Sucumbio]

So's I asks the wife. I says what's a bad Pokemon? There are none!, I answers before she c'n says. Polteageist, she says. That's awesome!, I says. It's a haunted tea pot. So?, I asks. I continues, name the worst Pokemon!

Paras.

Watchog, maybe?

She says.

What says you? And I know it's about as useful's a question But I stands by my word. There are no bad Pokemon!

 

[chocolatejr9]

So's I asks the wife. I says what's a bad Pokemon? There are none!, I answers before she c'n says. Polteageist, she says. That's awesome!, I says. It's a haunted tea pot. So?, I asks. I continues, name the worst Pokemon!

Paras.

Watchog, maybe?

She says.

What says you? And I know it's about as useful's a question But I stands by my word. There are no bad Pokemon!

Finally, justice for Trubbish.

 

[HyperSomari64]

So's I asks the wife. I says what's a bad Pokemon? There are none!, I answers before she c'n says. Polteageist, she says. That's awesome!, I says. It's a haunted tea pot. So?, I asks. I continues, name the worst Pokemon!

Paras.

Watchog, maybe?

She says.

What says you? And I know it's about as useful's a question But I stands by my word. There are no bad Pokemon!

Her opinion on Garbodor?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay i was wrong but the whole situation definitly is up to interpreation a lot!
So depending on how you look at it Bayo is either 1st or 3rd party!
But yeah it is owned by Sega but it cant release on other Plattforms!

The character of Bayonetta, the Bayonetta IP and the first game are all owned by Sega and developed by Platinum Games.

Nintendo funded and has some rights to Bayonetta 2 and Bayonetta 3.

So they have SOME legal ownership over those two specific games, but Sega has the rights to the character and franchise. Nintendo has no legal right over the IP. Bayonetta 1 can still be sold on any console. I have a Steam copy myself. Sega can do what they want with the IP. They just choose to make a partnership with Nintendo.

There is no room for interpretation. Legal rights are legal rights.

 

[Mamboo07]

wouldn't mind a Wario land stage

Wario Land should have gotten representation in the earlier games.

If Melee had more development time, Wario would bring a moveset referencing the Land games and a stage.

 

[Oracle Link]

The Rayman games have way too many amazing environments for me to pick just one, though I feel band land might be the best with how unique it is and it's pretty iconic from the first game.
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As for existing reps, wouldn't mind a Wario land stage, or some more metroid

Perhaps Rice Beach? Because we already have a Ship stage (Maybe even two if King K rool gets one) and a ton of castle Stages!

 

[fogbadge]

So's I asks the wife. I says what's a bad Pokemon? There are none!, I answers before she c'n says. Polteageist, she says. That's awesome!, I says. It's a haunted tea pot.

wow, i would not blame you for leaving her











yes that is a joke

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Why he's a legend on the industry, he's mostly joked in the Smash Ultimate speculation days, and his fans were attacked by both Steve and Banjo communities.
The waters were calm later on, and his "meme pick" status was gone. So a better poll can be:
Goku or Bubsy?

I don't really get how Bubsy is a "meme pick", like his games are bad and the character is seen as annoying, sure, but he's still the main protagonist of a very memorable triple A (for the time) game, and Bubsy 3D - in spite of its poor quality - is objectively a landmark title in the 3D platformer genre for mostly positive reasons. I feel a meme pick is moreso a character who's sole virtue is "it'd be funny" and was specifically requested by fans for that reason alone.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The thing with Bubsy is that any contemporary relevance he does have is due to his memetic status as a lousy platforming mascot (though I'd argue his first two games are merely below average than outright bad). Him getting two new games in the last few years was likely rooted in that fame specifically, and especially younger fans know him for being the joke figure content creators make videos about than his merits as an actual game character.

Hence why he's seen as a meme pick in that sense; the majority of people out there would not see much merit in him getting in Smash except for the humorous absurdity of it, especially given that even in the category of mid 90s mascots, there's still other choices that feel more interesting (Sparkster, Aero the Acrobat, Gex, Crash, etc).

 

[HyperSomari64]

The thing with Bubsy is that any contemporary relevance he does have is due to his memetic status as a lousy platforming mascot (though I'd argue his first two games are merely below average than outright bad). Him getting two new games in the last few years was likely rooted in that fame specifically, and especially younger fans know him for being the joke figure content creators make videos about than his merits as an actual game character.

Hence why he's seen as a meme pick in that sense; the majority of people out there would not see much merit in him getting in Smash except for the humorous absurdity of it.

At least he has a better chance than any non-video game character like Shrek, SpongeBob, Geralt, etc.. Any character that didn't started as part of a video game should be considered as a meme pick.

 

[fogbadge]

At least he has a better chance than any non-video game character like Shrek, SpongeBob, Geralt, etc.. Any character that didn't started as part of a video game should be considered as a meme pick.

man’s that’s coming from a bit advocate of theirs

 

[Oracle Link]

Okay seems Plugs arent allowed here okay i got im just gonna talk normaly (not Pluggy) then okay?

At least he has a better chance than any non-video game character like Shrek, SpongeBob, Geralt, etc.. Any character that didn't started as part of a video game should be considered as a meme pick.

Just because someone has alow chancve that doesnt make them a Meme Pick realisticly as long as Sakurai is in Charge Dark Matter has a low chance of coming in! Heck even Galacta Knight has a low Chance noe that hes replaced!
A Meme pick is only a meme if its almost exclusivly picked cause of a Meme!
Goku for Example ISNT a meme pick eventho hes fourth Party cause there are Many DB Fans that Genuinly want him!
For example speaking of Plugs Plugg from kirby aswell as Pirahna Plant are Joke/Meme Characters but Metroids on the other hand arent!

 

[HyperSomari64]

Goku for Example ISNT a meme pick eventho hes fourth Party cause there are Many DB Fans that Genuinly want him!

Even the dumbest fan of Dragon Ball thinks that Goku in Smash is a bad idea.
The people that truly wants non-gaming characters are trolls or people who believe in adaptation displacement.

 

[Oracle Link]

Even the dumbest fan of Dragon Ball thinks that Goku in Smash is a bad idea.
The people that truly wants non-gaming characters are trolls or people who believe in adaptation displacement.

I mean i know hes a Really Terrible Idea and Honetly i think Db should get its Plattfighter instead!
But you underestimate how stupid DB Fans can be!

 

[HyperSomari64]

I mean i know hes a Really Terrible Idea and Honetly i think Db should get its Plattfighter instead!
But you underestimate how stupid DB Fans can be!

I am not agaisnt DB fans, it's just that people just want crossovers with their childhood icons in it, and Sakurai has a limit with representation of "outsiders" like Sheek or SpongeBob.

Also, a platform fighter with only dragon Ball and not Shonen Jump or even anime and manga in general. Just wanna main Tsuneo from Doraemon to beating the **** out of Chainsaw Man.

 

[Perkilator]

I am not agaisnt DB fans, it's just that people just want crossovers with their childhood icons in it, and Sakurai has a limit with representation of "outsiders" like Shrek or SpongeBob.

…Aren’t you the guy who said Nintendo would respond to the Bayonetta 3 controversy with a Fighters Pass that was all 4th party?

 

[Lenidem]

Even the dumbest fan of Dragon Ball thinks that Goku in Smash is a bad idea.
The people that truly wants non-gaming characters are trolls or people who believe in adaptation displacement.

You underestimate dumb fans.

 

[fogbadge]

Okay seems Plugs arent allowed here okay i got im just gonna talk normaly (not Pluggy) then okay?

plugs? are we talking about chibi-robo again?

 

[Oracle Link]

plugs? are we talking about chibi-robo again?

Nah about shameless Plugs instead i advertised a Thread here!
And i guess im not allowed to do that!

 

[Ivander]

So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?

With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.

• It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
• Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
• And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.

And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.

Spoiler: BIG LONG POST WITH PICTURES AND SPOILERS

So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.

Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation?
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