Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[chocolatejr9]

So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?

With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.

• It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
• Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
• And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.

And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.

Spoiler: BIG LONG POST WITH PICTURES AND SPOILERS

Spoiler: Alfonse

• First starting with the Protagonist Alfonse, the one in the middle and Prince of Askr. The one on the left is Heroes' version of Anna. The one on the right is Alfonse' sister Sharena.
• Obviously, Alfonse is the cookie cutter image of the Fire Emblem Protagonist lord, with the classic blue hair and Sword, but in combat, he also uses a shield, like what Marth, Lucina and Chrom also use, aside from Smash Bros. where they don't.
• That said, alot of FEH fans certainly have some fond moments with Alfonse, where aside from being very strategic in mindset and deceiving his foes with careful and well-placed strategies and wording, he has the balls to say he will kill Hel, the Goddess of the Realm Hel and FEH's personification of death, and also has some good, "I'm not taking crap from you./No U" attitude moments.
• Moveset-wise, one might look at him and think Roy and Chrom, but for one, he does use a Shield and two, in his own game he is slow, so he'd be more similar to Link and Hero. His original Special move is Sol, but he can also get access to Luna, Aether, Bonfire, Astra, Draconic Aura and Moonbow. Also, one of his alternate versions eventually gets a Special called "Open the Way", a reference to his Critical catchphrase, "I'll open the way."
• For his Final Smash, the easiest Option would be Open the Way, but you can also pull a Robin with him where he can summon Anna, Sharena and/or Kiran, the Summoner, to do a combo attack with them and finish with Open the Way. As he uses a Sword, Anna uses an Axe and Sharena uses a Spear, it can also serve as a reference to the Weapon Triangle of Sword/Axe/Lance.

Spoiler: Kiran/The Summoner

• Next with the Player Protagonist, the Summoner, their default name being Kiran(ENG) or Eclat(JP). Kiran's true design is the hooded one in the middle, as it is used as the promotional version for the FEH Manga, Cinematics and other FEH-related stuff, but eventually during Book V, FEH gave the option to customize Kiran, where you can choose the Default Hooded look or choose from 3 Male designs and 3 Female designs, although they added a 4th Male and Female design some point later.
• Much like how Alfonse follows the traditional Protagonist Lord look, Kiran follows the footsteps of the other Avatar characters like Mark, Kris, Robin, Corrin and Byleth, although Kiran clearly takes from Robin mostly. Their main Weapon is the Breidablik, a Gun-like Mythical weapon that can shoot out magic, can transform into a Sword, Axe and Lance version and it's main purpose is to summon different Fire Emblem characters from different worlds to help save Askr.
• Kiran in-game is mainly a silent protagonist that does not have much of a personality aside from being a good hearted person noted by other characters. It also shows in the early FEH Cinematics, where they are mostly a helper to Alfonse and the other main Heroes. However, in the FEH Manga and Cinematics, Kiran is a frickin' dork and goofball complete with gameplay awareness and Meta humor. Not that far off from an Isekei Hero, especially when Kiran was summoned by Anna from the World of Steel, AKA The Real World of Earth. They're also a professional Disco record player and a master of the tambourine.
• Now whether or not they actually give Kiran their FEH Manga/later Cinematic personality for Smash is unknown. They can either be a straightforward character or they can go full into their identity as a Real World Human with alot of awareness of Fire Emblem and Smash Bros. gameplay mechanics and make them a dorky goofball.
• Moveset-wise, Kiran's access to Breidablik gives them not only a Gun-like weapon that shoots out magic, like lightning magic and whatnot, but it can also transform into a Sword, Lance and Axe giving them access to the Weapon Triangle. They can also control the Sword/Lance/Axe versions telepathically and use them for ranged attacks as well. The Breidablik can also be used to summon Heroes by shooting their entry waypoint out like a bullet and summoning them to attack, so they could use some Heroes for his Special moves similar to Bayonetta's Smash attacks or Zelda's Spirit familiar.
• As they are an Avatar character like Robin, Corrin and Byleth, their many alternate costumes would be 4 Male versions and 4 Female versions. There would be a Male Hooded version and a Female Hooded version for consistency sake while the other 6 would be based on the available looks that can be chosen for Kiran, with each one having a different colored outfit for gameplay sake.
• Their Final Smash would more than likely be using the Breidablik to summon a whole bunch of Heroes for an all-out attack, but they could be given a Final Smash where he and Alfonse team up against the enemy much like Robin and Chrom.

Spoiler: Veronica

• Once the starting main villain for Fire Emblem Heroes, Veronica has gone through the stages of villain than reluctant helper to eventually her major role in Book VI as both a willing ally and manipulated against her will by the goddess Embla. The left design is her original design. The middle design is her Brave design, when she was voted to the 2nd Most Voted Female character in Choose Your Legends Round 2. The right design is the form given to her by Embla to fight against the player and protagonists in Book VI.
• Veronica's main weapon is Magic, with her original Tome being Elivagar and the Tome given to her by Embla being Enclosing Dark. Her Brave version wields Hlidskjálf, a giant Staff weapon. In-story, she is mainly a dark magic user due to Embla's blood being in her veins.
• Veronica goes through alot of character development though the books. During Book 1, she mainly starts as the spoiled princess of the Embla Empire who wants to destroy Askr, but eventually thanks to some of the Heroes she forced contracts with, she starts focusing less on Askr and more on the well-being and lives of her people. During the early times when she has to join forces with Askr, she starts mostly with "I'm only doing this because I have to." but slowly and eventually by Book VI, she reaches Main Heroine status and by then is more than grateful for Askr helping her with the issues in her kingdom and the darkness threatening to swallow both Askr and Embla and she becomes very sorrowful when she is forced to battle Alfonse and the player by Embla.
• Moveset-wise, she would mainly be a magic user. She could also possibly use Hlidskjálf, her Staff for some moves as well. But that said, her big magic moves would mainly consist of dark magic like Elivagar, Nosferatu and Gespenst. Although maybe there could be a special move where she summons Xander, one of the Heroes from FEFates she forced a contract with, but stayed with her to see if he could possibly help her with her problem.
• Her Final Smash would more than likely be Embla transforming her into her Book VI look and having her use Enclosing Dark to engulf foes near her.

Spoiler: Fjorm

• The main Heroine of Book 2, Fjorm hails from the ice kingdom of Nifl who fights against the invading fiery kingdom of Muspell and it's tyrannical king, Surtr. The design to the left is her main look while the design to the right is her powered up by her kingdom's goddess Nifl. She is infamous for her many appearances in the event Forging Bonds.
• Fjorm's main weapon is Leiptr, a lance of ice important to her home kingdom. And her powered up version uses Nifl's Bite, given to her by the goddess Nifl. She is also a conjurer of ice magic, capable of firing gigantic ice projectiles and conjuring a shield of ice that absorbs incoming damage to boost her power for a short while.
• Personality-wise, she is a mix between gentle, timid and determined. In-battle for the most part, she's more than willing to fight against Surtr to save her kingdom and to avenge her mother and older sister who were slain by him. Nevertheless, she shows compassion for Laegjern, an enemy general who showed mercy to some of her people and who's fighting to protect her sister, and becomes sorrowful when they are forced to kill Laegjern. And her gentleness and unwillingness to kill those she finds friends is really put to the test when the goddess Nifl forces her to fight against the god Muspell who has revived and chosen Laegjern to fight against Fjorm and Nifl to Fjorm's horror.
• Moveset-wise, she is mainly a Lance wielder. But she could utilize her Axe for her Smash attacks. She also uses Ice Magic and they can be utilized by her Special attacks, like she could use Ice projectiles for her B or Side-B and her Ice Mirror Special for her Down-B Special. She can also conjure ice to use for movement.
• Her Final Smash would likely be her being powered up by the goddess Nifl to unleash a powerful Ice attack on foes.

Spoiler: Eir

• The main Heroine of Book 3, Eir is the "daughter" of Hel, the goddess of the realm of Hel, who is forced to fight against the player and Alfonse early, but is spared by the group after her defeat and she joins them. She comes across as hopeless to Alfonses' incoming doom to Hel, but slowly her friendship with the group eventually has her turn against Hel and she ultimately helps Alfonse, Veronica and Kiran in defeating Hel for good. She is eventually found by the goddess Ymir who comes to save her from Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, and reveals Eir's true lineage. Her left design is her main design throughout Book 3 and some Forging Bonds. Her right design is her being revitalised and powered up by Ymir.
• Eir's main weapon is Lyfjaberg, a dagger given to her by Hel, that according to her, offers death to those who seek it and gives compassion to those wish to live. When powered by Ymir, she gains the dagger Ymir, Everliving. Despite the fact that she is shown with one dagger, both Lyfjaberg and Ymir can become two daggers for Eir to dual-wield which often portrays her spin attacking or attacking with both.
• Personality-wise, she starts as a very sorrowful and hopeless character, having been forced to live and die constantly by Hel who used her as a power source. She is often gloomy and has a hopeless outlook. Eventually, her friendship with the protag group slowly gives her determination, hope and smile back. Forging Bonds portrays her as both curious, but still rather sorrowful as she adjusts to her new life. And after her journey with Ymir, learning her true identity and having to face Lif, her determination and desire to help erupts out for the sake of the fallen and desiring to help Lif with his currant problem.
• Moveset-wise, she'd probably be a quick character who fights up close with daggers and also throws them. She can imbue her daggers with dark or life energy and if true to her gameplay in Fire Emblem, her daggers can slowly reduce the defense of her foes as she hits them. That said, as she does not have her own Special compared to some other characters, she could utilize her innate Special attack, Moonbow, as well as other Specials like Luna, Draconic Aura, Blazing Wind, and most notably, Lethality, a classic Special normally used by Assassins in the FE series, but it's also a Special she can get.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her powered by the goddess Ymir and utilizing the dagger Ymir, Everliving, to unleash a special attack against foes.

Spoiler: Lif

• One of the main Antagonists of Book 3, Lif is one of the followers of Hel in her invasion against Askr and Embla. Named after the first King of Askr, in reality, he is a parallel version of Alfonse who's group ultimately lost to Hel, literally being 1 of the only 2 survivors from his world. Hel eventually gives him a deal where if he helps her destroy the next world, she will fully bring back his World, including the fallen like his world's Sharena and Kiran. Beyond desperate and looking at the slightest hope, he accepts the deal and takes the name Lif. The character on the right is Thrasir, named after the first Empress of Embla, the 2nd only survivor of Lif's world and in reality, a parallel version of Veronica.
• His main weapon is Sökkvabekkr, a longsword given to him by Hel. He loses the shield that he had as Alfonse most likely to emphasise his destructive desperation in wanting to destroy the currant world to get his own world back. When he is later brought back by Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, to kill Eir, Ganglot gives him the dangerous Arcane weapon once owned by Hel, Éljúdnir.
• Personality-wise, he's what you think he would be like with that backstory. Serious, blunt and quite sorrowful similarly to Eir. Compared to Alfonse, he is without mercy and while uncompassionate to the currant world's group, he doesn't show sadism or anger to them, only desperation and despair.
• Moveset-wise, he'd still be nowhere like the Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina quad. Maybe a mix between Cloud and Ike. His moveset would probably focus on being destructive and having desperation in his attacks. He can utilise the same Specials as Alfonse, including Open the Way.
• His Final Smash would most likely be him teaming up with Thrasir for a combo attack, with him striking with his sword and Thrasir using dark magic. It's also possible for his Final Smash to utilise Éljúdnir, where his attacks become more destructive due to the sinister nature of the Arcane weapons.

Spoiler: Peony

• The main Heroine of Book 4, she is a Fairy from Ljósálfheimr, the Realm of Dreams. She aids Alfonse and his group after they are trapped in a dream by Freyja, the ruler of Dökkálfheimr, the Realm of Nightmares. She and Sharena have an old friendship with each other, having met each other in the Realm of Dreams as children, alongside 3 other children. It is later revealed that Peony, alongside the other 3 children, chose to become fairies after Freyr, the ruler of Ljósálfheimr, offered them to become fairies to help restore the Realm of Dreams.
• Peony does not use normal weaponry. Instead she uses the Flower of Joy, a power of the Realm of Dreams for attacking foes and supporting her allies. As a "Light Fairy", her dream powers often revolve around light and cheeriness.
• She's friendly, sociable and likes to meet people and make new friends, very similarly to Sharena. She also shows compassion to those who are having problems and wants to give them good and gentle dreams to help cheer them up.
• Compared to the others that I have listed, Peony is much more suitable as an Assist Trophy or Summon, as she is much more a Support character rather than an attacker. With her Flower of Joy and her special Dance support, Gentle Dream, she powers up her allies and refreshes them. I just thought I'd list her for consistency sake since she still is a main Heroine.

Spoiler: Reginn

• Reginn is the Main Heroine of Book 5 and is a Dvergar(the old name for Dwarf. Yes, she's a dwarf.) from the realm of Nidavellir, a vast kingdom of technological advances and machinery. At first, she fights against Askr under orders from her brother, Fafnir, but she eventually joins Askr as she feels like her brothers are being raged consumed and she wants to know why. She fights against her brothers Fafnir and Otr while trying to ask them why they feel so anger driven, but her questions are mostly ignored for the most part. She eventually goes to Jotunheimr with Alfonse and the group to find the royal sword Gramr where she befriends the Jotun Dagr and Nott and finds out she is the missing heir to Nidavellir.
• Rather than wielding a weapon normally, she rides the Nidavellir-created Seidjárn, a four-legged Mecha that wields a giant sword and shield, shoots Seidr Shell bullets and rockets and can move quickly around the area even after attacking. She does eventually gets the sword Gramr that she uses to slay her forcibly maddened brother.
• Personality-wise, she's tomboy-ish, open, wants to help people and really wants to help her brothers and find why they feel so rage driven. That said, she's also somewhat driven by impulse, she has a desire to prove herself and she can also get very emotional, especially when she is fighting her brothers later in the story. Also, she's implied to be a heavy eater by Sharena.
• Moveset-wise, she would be a Mecha character, riding in her Seidjarn and attacking with a giant sword, bullets, rockets and whatnot. The Seidjarn is not overly big compared to other fighters. When she fought with Alfonse in the cinematic, the Seidjarn is not that bigger from Alfonse. It's possible that Bowser would still be bigger than the Seidjarn, although not by that much. As a Mecha Fighter, Reginn could potentially leave it after the Seidjarn gets damaged enough or she could stay in the Seidjarn and the Seidjarn gets knocked back like everybody else when they are launched. If they do make her leave the Seidjarn at some point, she would wield Gramr and likely be light and nimble compared to her Seidjarn.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her Seidjarn utilising a barrage of weaponry before finishing off with a sword strike. Maybe she could get a team-up FS with Dagr.

Spoiler: Ash

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• Probably the Secondary Main Heroine of Book 6, as Book 6 focuses more around Veronica compared to Ash, but nevertheless, she's the one who joins Alfonse and crew at the start of Book 6 like the other Main Heroines. She is the retainer to Lord Askr, the god of the kingdom of Askr, much like the goddess Embla to the Embla Empire. She comes to the aid of Alfonse and Crew when they find areas of complete darkness appearing in Askr, where they learn that Embla is making her descent to force those with her blood in them to destroy the kingdom of Askr.
• Despite her humanoid form, her main form of battle is a divine beast to fight against foes. And yes, it is a bovine. It doesn't stop her from shooting lasers from her horns and that tail of hers. Aside from her divine form, she does hold a staff and while she never outright uses the staff, artwork does depict her using it in a magic-like sense.
• Personality-wise, she's peaceful, amicable and protective and puts others over herself. That said, she can be a bit over talkative, especially in trying to get across what's on her mind and thoughts.
• Much like Peony, she'd probably work more as an Assist/Summon character rather than a fighter, especially in a similar vein as Assist Trophy Tiki. She does have a staff that she can use for fighting, although her Divine form may not get alot of attention in favor of balance issues aside from her Final Smash.
• As for a Final Smash for her, aside from her form, her other possible Final Smash would be summoning Lord Askr to unleash an powerful attack on her foes.

Because of their presence in Book 6 and somewhat their importance to Alfonse and Veronica, here's Lord Askr and Lady Embla.

Spoiler: Askr and Embla

Spoiler: Divine Form Askr and Embla

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• Askr and Embla are the Divine Dragons that worked with the first King of Askr Lif and the first Empress of Embla Thrasir to found the Kingdom of Askr and the Embla Empire. Despite Askr being very trusting and open to the mortals, Embla was not so trusting and while she was convinced by Askr to open up a bit and she enjoyed the appreciation, but after an incident, Embla became distrusting of mortals again. That distrust only became worst, especially to Askr, and eventually, she contained the people of Embla and herself and plotted to kill Askr and those with his blood.
• Askr's Divine form is that of a large divine bull, a much holier version compared to Twilight Princess Ganon while Embla's Divine form is that of a large bat-like dragon. Aside from their Divine forms, both of them hold Staff-like weapons like their retainers and compared to Ash, the Cinematic trailer with them has them using their staves for attacks and defense. Also, it should be noted that it's not a dress Embla's wearing. Those are her wings wrapped around her.
• Personality-wise, Askr is cheerful, benevolent, open and also a dork. According to Askr, Embla once was also kind, although the events that lead to her change made her spiteful, cruel and hateful.
• Hilariously, when they were first revealed, alot of FEH players went for Askr compared to Embla because of how dork-ish and cheerful he was acting in the trailer.

So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.

Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation?
@Opossum @Erureido C chocolatejr9

Well, since you mentioned me, I guess I HAVE to give my two cents.

IMO, if we were to get a FEH rep, it'd be either Alfonse or Kiran. I know Fjorm is a popular one, but those two have the advantage of being main charactere, whereas Fjorm was only relevant in Book 2. Plus, Kiran could potentially have one of the most unique movesets in Smash, depending on if they decide to incorporate summoning somehow. Though I'd imagine that'd be a technical nightmare...

 

[Perkilator]

Source Gaming is currently designing a Smash roster using the characters from their Mega Smash Poll

 

[chocolatejr9]

If it turns out Wumpa League is still coming out, I NEED that cow character to get SOME recognition in Smash. Doesn't have to be playable, I just think they deserve something.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Source Gaming is currently designing a Smash roster using the characters from their Mega Smash Poll

Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.

 

[Perkilator]

If I had to make some changes:

• Replace Sylux with Raven Beak
• Replace Lucina with Roy
• Give Noah and Mio the same slot, since they’re both main characters
• Bring Lucas and Falco back
• Replace Shadow with Eggman

 

[MrMcNuts]

Has rayman so it's already perfection



Though I wouldn't mind replacing shantae with shovel knight

 

[Arcanir]

So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?

With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.

• It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
• Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
• And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.

And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.

Spoiler: BIG LONG POST WITH PICTURES AND SPOILERS

Spoiler: Alfonse

• First starting with the Protagonist Alfonse, the one in the middle and Prince of Askr. The one on the left is Heroes' version of Anna. The one on the right is Alfonse' sister Sharena.
• Obviously, Alfonse is the cookie cutter image of the Fire Emblem Protagonist lord, with the classic blue hair and Sword, but in combat, he also uses a shield, like what Marth, Lucina and Chrom also use, aside from Smash Bros. where they don't.
• That said, alot of FEH fans certainly have some fond moments with Alfonse, where aside from being very strategic in mindset and deceiving his foes with careful and well-placed strategies and wording, he has the balls to say he will kill Hel, the Goddess of the Realm Hel and FEH's personification of death, and also has some good, "I'm not taking crap from you./No U" attitude moments.
• Moveset-wise, one might look at him and think Roy and Chrom, but for one, he does use a Shield and two, in his own game he is slow, so he'd be more similar to Link and Hero. His original Special move is Sol, but he can also get access to Luna, Aether, Bonfire, Astra, Draconic Aura and Moonbow. Also, one of his alternate versions eventually gets a Special called "Open the Way", a reference to his Critical catchphrase, "I'll open the way."
• For his Final Smash, the easiest Option would be Open the Way, but you can also pull a Robin with him where he can summon Anna, Sharena and/or Kiran, the Summoner, to do a combo attack with them and finish with Open the Way. As he uses a Sword, Anna uses an Axe and Sharena uses a Spear, it can also serve as a reference to the Weapon Triangle of Sword/Axe/Lance.

Spoiler: Kiran/The Summoner

• Next with the Player Protagonist, the Summoner, their default name being Kiran(ENG) or Eclat(JP). Kiran's true design is the hooded one in the middle, as it is used as the promotional version for the FEH Manga, Cinematics and other FEH-related stuff, but eventually during Book V, FEH gave the option to customize Kiran, where you can choose the Default Hooded look or choose from 3 Male designs and 3 Female designs, although they added a 4th Male and Female design some point later.
• Much like how Alfonse follows the traditional Protagonist Lord look, Kiran follows the footsteps of the other Avatar characters like Mark, Kris, Robin, Corrin and Byleth, although Kiran clearly takes from Robin mostly. Their main Weapon is the Breidablik, a Gun-like Mythical weapon that can shoot out magic, can transform into a Sword, Axe and Lance version and it's main purpose is to summon different Fire Emblem characters from different worlds to help save Askr.
• Kiran in-game is mainly a silent protagonist that does not have much of a personality aside from being a good hearted person noted by other characters. It also shows in the early FEH Cinematics, where they are mostly a helper to Alfonse and the other main Heroes. However, in the FEH Manga and Cinematics, Kiran is a frickin' dork and goofball complete with gameplay awareness and Meta humor. Not that far off from an Isekei Hero, especially when Kiran was summoned by Anna from the World of Steel, AKA The Real World of Earth. They're also a professional Disco record player and a master of the tambourine.
• Now whether or not they actually give Kiran their FEH Manga/later Cinematic personality for Smash is unknown. They can either be a straightforward character or they can go full into their identity as a Real World Human with alot of awareness of Fire Emblem and Smash Bros. gameplay mechanics and make them a dorky goofball.
• Moveset-wise, Kiran's access to Breidablik gives them not only a Gun-like weapon that shoots out magic, like lightning magic and whatnot, but it can also transform into a Sword, Lance and Axe giving them access to the Weapon Triangle. They can also control the Sword/Lance/Axe versions telepathically and use them for ranged attacks as well. The Breidablik can also be used to summon Heroes by shooting their entry waypoint out like a bullet and summoning them to attack, so they could use some Heroes for his Special moves similar to Bayonetta's Smash attacks or Zelda's Spirit familiar.
• As they are an Avatar character like Robin, Corrin and Byleth, their many alternate costumes would be 4 Male versions and 4 Female versions. There would be a Male Hooded version and a Female Hooded version for consistency sake while the other 6 would be based on the available looks that can be chosen for Kiran, with each one having a different colored outfit for gameplay sake.
• Their Final Smash would more than likely be using the Breidablik to summon a whole bunch of Heroes for an all-out attack, but they could be given a Final Smash where he and Alfonse team up against the enemy much like Robin and Chrom.

Spoiler: Veronica

• Once the starting main villain for Fire Emblem Heroes, Veronica has gone through the stages of villain than reluctant helper to eventually her major role in Book VI as both a willing ally and manipulated against her will by the goddess Embla. The left design is her original design. The middle design is her Brave design, when she was voted to the 2nd Most Voted Female character in Choose Your Legends Round 2. The right design is the form given to her by Embla to fight against the player and protagonists in Book VI.
• Veronica's main weapon is Magic, with her original Tome being Elivagar and the Tome given to her by Embla being Enclosing Dark. Her Brave version wields Hlidskjálf, a giant Staff weapon. In-story, she is mainly a dark magic user due to Embla's blood being in her veins.
• Veronica goes through alot of character development though the books. During Book 1, she mainly starts as the spoiled princess of the Embla Empire who wants to destroy Askr, but eventually thanks to some of the Heroes she forced contracts with, she starts focusing less on Askr and more on the well-being and lives of her people. During the early times when she has to join forces with Askr, she starts mostly with "I'm only doing this because I have to." but slowly and eventually by Book VI, she reaches Main Heroine status and by then is more than grateful for Askr helping her with the issues in her kingdom and the darkness threatening to swallow both Askr and Embla and she becomes very sorrowful when she is forced to battle Alfonse and the player by Embla.
• Moveset-wise, she would mainly be a magic user. She could also possibly use Hlidskjálf, her Staff for some moves as well. But that said, her big magic moves would mainly consist of dark magic like Elivagar, Nosferatu and Gespenst. Although maybe there could be a special move where she summons Xander, one of the Heroes from FEFates she forced a contract with, but stayed with her to see if he could possibly help her with her problem.
• Her Final Smash would more than likely be Embla transforming her into her Book VI look and having her use Enclosing Dark to engulf foes near her.

Spoiler: Fjorm

• The main Heroine of Book 2, Fjorm hails from the ice kingdom of Nifl who fights against the invading fiery kingdom of Muspell and it's tyrannical king, Surtr. The design to the left is her main look while the design to the right is her powered up by her kingdom's goddess Nifl. She is infamous for her many appearances in the event Forging Bonds.
• Fjorm's main weapon is Leiptr, a lance of ice important to her home kingdom. And her powered up version uses Nifl's Bite, given to her by the goddess Nifl. She is also a conjurer of ice magic, capable of firing gigantic ice projectiles and conjuring a shield of ice that absorbs incoming damage to boost her power for a short while.
• Personality-wise, she is a mix between gentle, timid and determined. In-battle for the most part, she's more than willing to fight against Surtr to save her kingdom and to avenge her mother and older sister who were slain by him. Nevertheless, she shows compassion for Laegjern, an enemy general who showed mercy to some of her people and who's fighting to protect her sister, and becomes sorrowful when they are forced to kill Laegjern. And her gentleness and unwillingness to kill those she finds friends is really put to the test when the goddess Nifl forces her to fight against the god Muspell who has revived and chosen Laegjern to fight against Fjorm and Nifl to Fjorm's horror.
• Moveset-wise, she is mainly a Lance wielder. But she could utilize her Axe for her Smash attacks. She also uses Ice Magic and they can be utilized by her Special attacks, like she could use Ice projectiles for her B or Side-B and her Ice Mirror Special for her Down-B Special. She can also conjure ice to use for movement.
• Her Final Smash would likely be her being powered up by the goddess Nifl to unleash a powerful Ice attack on foes.

Spoiler: Eir

• The main Heroine of Book 3, Eir is the "daughter" of Hel, the goddess of the realm of Hel, who is forced to fight against the player and Alfonse early, but is spared by the group after her defeat and she joins them. She comes across as hopeless to Alfonses' incoming doom to Hel, but slowly her friendship with the group eventually has her turn against Hel and she ultimately helps Alfonse, Veronica and Kiran in defeating Hel for good. She is eventually found by the goddess Ymir who comes to save her from Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, and reveals Eir's true lineage. Her left design is her main design throughout Book 3 and some Forging Bonds. Her right design is her being revitalised and powered up by Ymir.
• Eir's main weapon is Lyfjaberg, a dagger given to her by Hel, that according to her, offers death to those who seek it and gives compassion to those wish to live. When powered by Ymir, she gains the dagger Ymir, Everliving. Despite the fact that she is shown with one dagger, both Lyfjaberg and Ymir can become two daggers for Eir to dual-wield which often portrays her spin attacking or attacking with both.
• Personality-wise, she starts as a very sorrowful and hopeless character, having been forced to live and die constantly by Hel who used her as a power source. She is often gloomy and has a hopeless outlook. Eventually, her friendship with the protag group slowly gives her determination, hope and smile back. Forging Bonds portrays her as both curious, but still rather sorrowful as she adjusts to her new life. And after her journey with Ymir, learning her true identity and having to face Lif, her determination and desire to help erupts out for the sake of the fallen and desiring to help Lif with his currant problem.
• Moveset-wise, she'd probably be a quick character who fights up close with daggers and also throws them. She can imbue her daggers with dark or life energy and if true to her gameplay in Fire Emblem, her daggers can slowly reduce the defense of her foes as she hits them. That said, as she does not have her own Special compared to some other characters, she could utilize her innate Special attack, Moonbow, as well as other Specials like Luna, Draconic Aura, Blazing Wind, and most notably, Lethality, a classic Special normally used by Assassins in the FE series, but it's also a Special she can get.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her powered by the goddess Ymir and utilizing the dagger Ymir, Everliving, to unleash a special attack against foes.

Spoiler: Lif

• One of the main Antagonists of Book 3, Lif is one of the followers of Hel in her invasion against Askr and Embla. Named after the first King of Askr, in reality, he is a parallel version of Alfonse who's group ultimately lost to Hel, literally being 1 of the only 2 survivors from his world. Hel eventually gives him a deal where if he helps her destroy the next world, she will fully bring back his World, including the fallen like his world's Sharena and Kiran. Beyond desperate and looking at the slightest hope, he accepts the deal and takes the name Lif. The character on the right is Thrasir, named after the first Empress of Embla, the 2nd only survivor of Lif's world and in reality, a parallel version of Veronica.
• His main weapon is Sökkvabekkr, a longsword given to him by Hel. He loses the shield that he had as Alfonse most likely to emphasise his destructive desperation in wanting to destroy the currant world to get his own world back. When he is later brought back by Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, to kill Eir, Ganglot gives him the dangerous Arcane weapon once owned by Hel, Éljúdnir.
• Personality-wise, he's what you think he would be like with that backstory. Serious, blunt and quite sorrowful similarly to Eir. Compared to Alfonse, he is without mercy and while uncompassionate to the currant world's group, he doesn't show sadism or anger to them, only desperation and despair.
• Moveset-wise, he'd still be nowhere like the Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina quad. Maybe a mix between Cloud and Ike. His moveset would probably focus on being destructive and having desperation in his attacks. He can utilise the same Specials as Alfonse, including Open the Way.
• His Final Smash would most likely be him teaming up with Thrasir for a combo attack, with him striking with his sword and Thrasir using dark magic. It's also possible for his Final Smash to utilise Éljúdnir, where his attacks become more destructive due to the sinister nature of the Arcane weapons.

Spoiler: Peony

• The main Heroine of Book 4, she is a Fairy from Ljósálfheimr, the Realm of Dreams. She aids Alfonse and his group after they are trapped in a dream by Freyja, the ruler of Dökkálfheimr, the Realm of Nightmares. She and Sharena have an old friendship with each other, having met each other in the Realm of Dreams as children, alongside 3 other children. It is later revealed that Peony, alongside the other 3 children, chose to become fairies after Freyr, the ruler of Ljósálfheimr, offered them to become fairies to help restore the Realm of Dreams.
• Peony does not use normal weaponry. Instead she uses the Flower of Joy, a power of the Realm of Dreams for attacking foes and supporting her allies. As a "Light Fairy", her dream powers often revolve around light and cheeriness.
• She's friendly, sociable and likes to meet people and make new friends, very similarly to Sharena. She also shows compassion to those who are having problems and wants to give them good and gentle dreams to help cheer them up.
• Compared to the others that I have listed, Peony is much more suitable as an Assist Trophy or Summon, as she is much more a Support character rather than an attacker. With her Flower of Joy and her special Dance support, Gentle Dream, she powers up her allies and refreshes them. I just thought I'd list her for consistency sake since she still is a main Heroine.

Spoiler: Reginn

• Reginn is the Main Heroine of Book 5 and is a Dvergar(the old name for Dwarf. Yes, she's a dwarf.) from the realm of Nidavellir, a vast kingdom of technological advances and machinery. At first, she fights against Askr under orders from her brother, Fafnir, but she eventually joins Askr as she feels like her brothers are being raged consumed and she wants to know why. She fights against her brothers Fafnir and Otr while trying to ask them why they feel so anger driven, but her questions are mostly ignored for the most part. She eventually goes to Jotunheimr with Alfonse and the group to find the royal sword Gramr where she befriends the Jotun Dagr and Nott and finds out she is the missing heir to Nidavellir.
• Rather than wielding a weapon normally, she rides the Nidavellir-created Seidjárn, a four-legged Mecha that wields a giant sword and shield, shoots Seidr Shell bullets and rockets and can move quickly around the area even after attacking. She does eventually gets the sword Gramr that she uses to slay her forcibly maddened brother.
• Personality-wise, she's tomboy-ish, open, wants to help people and really wants to help her brothers and find why they feel so rage driven. That said, she's also somewhat driven by impulse, she has a desire to prove herself and she can also get very emotional, especially when she is fighting her brothers later in the story. Also, she's implied to be a heavy eater by Sharena.
• Moveset-wise, she would be a Mecha character, riding in her Seidjarn and attacking with a giant sword, bullets, rockets and whatnot. The Seidjarn is not overly big compared to other fighters. When she fought with Alfonse in the cinematic, the Seidjarn is not that bigger from Alfonse. It's possible that Bowser would still be bigger than the Seidjarn, although not by that much. As a Mecha Fighter, Reginn could potentially leave it after the Seidjarn gets damaged enough or she could stay in the Seidjarn and the Seidjarn gets knocked back like everybody else when they are launched. If they do make her leave the Seidjarn at some point, she would wield Gramr and likely be light and nimble compared to her Seidjarn.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her Seidjarn utilising a barrage of weaponry before finishing off with a sword strike. Maybe she could get a team-up FS with Dagr.

Spoiler: Ash

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• Probably the Secondary Main Heroine of Book 6, as Book 6 focuses more around Veronica compared to Ash, but nevertheless, she's the one who joins Alfonse and crew at the start of Book 6 like the other Main Heroines. She is the retainer to Lord Askr, the god of the kingdom of Askr, much like the goddess Embla to the Embla Empire. She comes to the aid of Alfonse and Crew when they find areas of complete darkness appearing in Askr, where they learn that Embla is making her descent to force those with her blood in them to destroy the kingdom of Askr.
• Despite her humanoid form, her main form of battle is a divine beast to fight against foes. And yes, it is a bovine. It doesn't stop her from shooting lasers from her horns and that tail of hers. Aside from her divine form, she does hold a staff and while she never outright uses the staff, artwork does depict her using it in a magic-like sense.
• Personality-wise, she's peaceful, amicable and protective and puts others over herself. That said, she can be a bit over talkative, especially in trying to get across what's on her mind and thoughts.
• Much like Peony, she'd probably work more as an Assist/Summon character rather than a fighter, especially in a similar vein as Assist Trophy Tiki. She does have a staff that she can use for fighting, although her Divine form may not get alot of attention in favor of balance issues aside from her Final Smash.
• As for a Final Smash for her, aside from her form, her other possible Final Smash would be summoning Lord Askr to unleash an powerful attack on her foes.

Because of their presence in Book 6 and somewhat their importance to Alfonse and Veronica, here's Lord Askr and Lady Embla.

Spoiler: Askr and Embla

Spoiler: Divine Form Askr and Embla

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• Askr and Embla are the Divine Dragons that worked with the first King of Askr Lif and the first Empress of Embla Thrasir to found the Kingdom of Askr and the Embla Empire. Despite Askr being very trusting and open to the mortals, Embla was not so trusting and while she was convinced by Askr to open up a bit and she enjoyed the appreciation, but after an incident, Embla became distrusting of mortals again. That distrust only became worst, especially to Askr, and eventually, she contained the people of Embla and herself and plotted to kill Askr and those with his blood.
• Askr's Divine form is that of a large divine bull, a much holier version compared to Twilight Princess Ganon while Embla's Divine form is that of a large bat-like dragon. Aside from their Divine forms, both of them hold Staff-like weapons like their retainers and compared to Ash, the Cinematic trailer with them has them using their staves for attacks and defense. Also, it should be noted that it's not a dress Embla's wearing. Those are her wings wrapped around her.
• Personality-wise, Askr is cheerful, benevolent, open and also a dork. According to Askr, Embla once was also kind, although the events that lead to her change made her spiteful, cruel and hateful.
• Hilariously, when they were first revealed, alot of FEH players went for Askr compared to Embla because of how dork-ish and cheerful he was acting in the trailer.

So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.

Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation?
@Opossum @Erureido C chocolatejr9

I feel that covers the general list they'd probably pick from minus maybe Askr and Embla, but I like Askr so I will not fight his presence here.

In terms of who'd they go with, I feel Alfonse, Kiran, Veronica, and Fjorm are the big four to look at due to how IS pushes them in the game and related media. You pretty much covered all of the reasonings I'd give for them, but I'll also add that for Veronica she has the benefit of being the most popular OC due to being the only one that has placed on CYL for a Brave alt and the one they slapped onto the Book 6 icon over Ash, something no other pre-existing OC has done before. I'd honestly say that if not Alfonse, I think IS would push for Veronica as they clearly have a lot of value in her, especially after Book 6 went back and focused so much on concluding certain plot threads related to her.

Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.

Some random thoughts on this I have right now, I can't speak for all the reasonings as I came in late, so if I miss something on my points please let me know:

• I find it interesting that they kept the Echoes as they're usually the first to go in rosters like these. It makes sense why they'd do that as Echoes are very low demand characters to make, and while I'm sure many would like some of them to be further decloned that lack of difference could be a way for them to stay. Poor Samus though, only villains to keep her company.
• On that same note, I do like that they kept both Villager and Isabelle, especially Isabelle as she's a huge face with modern Nintendo and has very little reason to leave the roster.
• Sylux I don't think should be here, I get their point that Prime 4 is coming out with the character being a face of the game, but the problem is there's a number of unknowns around that situation. We don't know when Prime 4 will finally drop so we don't know for certain it'd be out before the next Smash, we don't know when the next Smash is being developed as depending on that timing Prime 4 could miss the boat on getting any content like Prime 3 with Brawl, and we don't know how Sylux's situation will unfold as we don't know if their related arc is going to be a single game or multi-game story or even reach the heights of popularity earned by characters like Ridley, Dark Samus, or even Raven Beak. At this point I don't think there's enough here to comfortably place Sylux on the roster, that character is still in too much of a limbo.
• Not sure on Takamaru, they say they picked him on personal bias and 'retro' slot, and I won't counter the former because that's personal opinion, but considering Ultimate didn't have any character that can be conclusively perceived as retro I think making a 'slot' for it is pretty questionable. Sukapon also falls into that same reasoning, but also IIRC lacks an international release which is stated to be the reason that hindered Takamaru before.
• Similarly, I'm not sure on Wolf over Falco. I can get why there would be a preference to Wolf as I probably share many of those feelings, but Falco is more of a mainstay in Smash and Star Fox as a whole so I'm not sure if he'd be given priority.
• Also, on Bomberman, I heard their reasoning for him not being on the roster is that they think there was more to him not being chosen, but I'm not sure there's a deeper reasoning other than priority. Base game had a very small unique newcomer roster and Super Bomberman R didn't release or take off until after the roster was chosen, and the DLC they chose was very competitive in popularity so it's easy to see the character be passed over for other options. I think they may be seeing a problem that isn't there, particularly since he's never been commented on.

 

[Ivander]

I feel that covers the general list they'd probably pick from minus maybe Askr and Embla, but I like Askr so I will not fight his presence here.

I mostly mentioned them because I kept bringing them up quite a bit when doing the other characters, so I thought I'd give context to who they were, while the gameplay stuff was more a bonus. And as I said, Askr and Embla could play roles for Final Smashes like in Veronica's case.

And I think Ash started as the Book 6 FEH Icon first and then after the Mid-Book Cinematic trailer, that's when Veronica took over the FEH Icon once again.

 

[Arcanir]

I mostly mentioned them because I kept bringing them up quite a bit when doing the other characters, so I thought I'd give context to who they were, while the gameplay stuff was more a bonus. And as I said, Askr and Embla could play roles for Final Smashes like in Veronica's case.

And I think Ash started as the Book 6 FEH Icon first and then after the Mid-Book Cinematic trailer, that's when Veronica took over the FEH Icon once again.

Ah, my mistake, I should've caught that when reading through.

And yeah, I should've been clearer there. Veronica booted Ash from the icon at the halfway point, Ash was the Book 6 icon to start though with how they treated her, I'm surprised they just didn't bring back Veronica's old icon.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Honestly if we got an Ultimate DX, here is what I think we would get in terms of purely unique newcomers. Gonna put some stuff in spoiler tags though just so that I do not spoil anyone.I think for an Ultimate DX, somewhere between 6-10 unique newcomers is fair, given what we got in Ultimate. They likely would be using a ton of pre existing assets to bring old characters back, so I doubt we would see the same development strain that went into EiH the first time around.

Spoiler: Ultimate DX Roster

• Bandana Dee: He's popular and Forgotten Land did well elevating him. I think at this point Dee is extremely likely and so long as he does not get dropped by the Kirby series (which I highly doubt at this point), his resume for the next game looks great.
• Meowscarada: Here, I think timing is of the essence. Pokemon IMO is basically guaranteed a newcomer, for better or for worse. Here, I am assuming we get Gen 10 just too late for Smash. I think Gen 10 will likely come in 2026. Pokemon generations last 3-4 years, and Pokemon does not tend to launch with a new system. I also am assuming for this that we do get Ultimate DX pretty close to the next system's release. So again, 2025-2026 is the window I am looking at with this roster.
  
  With that being said, in this scenario, you gotta go with Gen 9 due to the timing. Out of the new Pokemon, I think Meowscarada translates pretty easily into Smash. It has a fighter like build, you could make it unique with its theme of magic/trickery. It seems pretty popular right now and my gut says that this will be the "shill starter" this gen like say Cinderace or Greninja.
  
  
• Octoling: This is the one thing on this roster I am adamant will be in the next game. Splatoon is huge right now. Splatoon 3 sold record numbers in Japan for its launch. The IP is clearly in for the long haul: it will be getting a unique newcomer. I went with Octolings just because they are the other playable characters. I think it is easier to translate them into Smash with weapons from Splatoon 2 or 3 than adding say, Octavio or one of the idols.
• Mio/Noah: Similarly for Gen 9, timing helps a ton here. I think that we will almost certainly not have a XC4 on its way in time for this hypothetical Ultimate DX. As a result, 3 looks highly appealing. It sold very well, beating 2's early sales easily.
  
  I went with Mio and Noah together since I think that it would be interesting moveset wise. You could do solo Mio or Noah, but I think the moveset potential here is what gets me. Have Noah use moves from Swordfighter, Heavy Guard, and Medic Gunner. Mio can use moves from Zephyr, Tactician, and Ogre. Implement a mini version of the Ouroborus mechanic that rewards you for switching frequently between the two. Might honestly work out a moveset based on this later.
• Isaac: I wanted one first party fanservice pick. It was between Waluigi and Isaac for this one. I just went with Isaac for the moveset potential and his fan demand being longer standing, but I could easily see Waluigi here instead.
• Officer Howard: This is another safe pick imo. I talked a lot about Howard in this thread, but they just have a great deal of moveset potential, came from a successful new IP on the Switch, and have a seemingly bright future.
• Crash Bandicoot: And here is my third party fanservice pick. Honestly Crash is such a safe pick especially after the Microsoft Activision buyout. He is one of the biggest requests, his company is involved in Smash, I would not be shocked if he appeared in the base game now that Microsoft is on board.
• Chris Redfield: For this one, you can just assume that this is either just Chris or any of the Resident Evil Protagonists. Honestly, you could make a Hero situation with Chris, Claire, Leon, and Jill and it would not be that hard to do so.
  
  Resident Evil is massive. It is probably Capcom's biggest series. It honestly is the first thing that I think of when it comes to survival horror, a genre that is yet to be represented in Smash.
  

I honestly do not have the energy to really speculate on Echo Fighters right now, so I am just gonna say somewhere around what Ultimate got if not a little more. Probably Shadow the Hedgehog will be one of them.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Microsoft Activision buyout hasn't been finalised yet, right?

Also, regardless of it's an Ultimate DX or new game, I'm like 99.99% sure Waluigi is going to get in. Not even wishful thinking, the Wa ship (and first party ships in general really) sailed for me a long time ago. Considering modern Smash's emphasis on wish fulfilment, the only thing stopping a recurring first party popular enough to make mainstream headlines over his exclusion is a complete course change.

 

[SPEN18]

Honestly due to the casual appeal I could see Waluigi fitting into just a general "Mario character" or "recognizability" slot rather than as a ballot or dedicated fan pick. What I mean mostly there is that Waluigi and Isaac are not mutually exclusive. While they are competing with each other for a hypothetical "dedicated fan pick" slot, they both have other ways to get in besides that (with Isaac the "other way" would likely be getting a new release of some sort).
Either way, though, in my personal view of things it is critical to get some of these upper-tier first party choices in ASAP so that more energy and focus can be spent on other 1P picks.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Microsoft Activision buyout hasn't been finalised yet, right?

I mean, it'll probably be done by the time the next Smash is a thing. No matter how much Sony wants to delay it...

 

[Perkilator]

If I picked newcomers for an Ultimate DX, I’d mainly want the exact amount to be relatively small. The main 3 I have in mind are Waluigi, BWD and Eggman.

Of course, I’m not necessarily picky over who else gets in.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

While I'm convinced the Switch successor will be backwards compatible (thus making a DX version not quite necessary) if one did exist, I could see a small focus on a number of first party characters, both because they could be implemented without any negotiations and there might be a chance that certain major third party selections could be potentially saved for a full blown sequel.

A hypothetical DX addition of base game selections like BWD, Dixie, Ring Fit Trainer, Noah/Mio and Bomberman feels entirely possible.

 

[Geno Boost]

Why he's a legend on the industry, he's mostly joked in the Smash Ultimate speculation days, and his fans were attacked by both Steve and Banjo communities.
The waters were calm later on, and his "meme pick" status was gone. So a better poll can be:
Goku or Bubsy?

I think next smash game Microsoft rep discussions could become a war zone between crash and doom and halo fans lol

 

[Ivander]

I think next smash game Microsoft rep discussions could become a war zone between crash and doom and halo fans lol

There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.

Also, imagine Cuphead gets in before any of them.

 

[chocolatejr9]

There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.

Also, imagine Cuphead gets in before any of them.

You joke, but Cuphead's the one with the deluxe Mii costume...

 

[toonito]

RE: Ultimate DX/Smash 6

These are who I think might get in

1st Party
Octoling
Noah/Mio
Meowscarada or Quaquaval (even though I prefer Ceruledge & Armuledge if Gen 9 were to get a rep)
Animal Crossing Rep?
Ring Fit Trainee
Officer Howard
Alear or Alphonse
Waluigi (long suffering fan favorite finally has his day; if not Smash 6 he'll never get in)

3rd Party
Fighting Game Character: Smash 4 DLC, base Ultimate and both Fighter Passes contained an FGC; Sol is probably the frontrunner for new reps
2B
at least one of Dante/Shantae/Doom Slayer/Dragonborn
Monster Hunter/Phoenix Wright/Resident Evil: I def don't see Capcom sitting out another Smash game without a new character
Bomberman (IMO he felt like he just missed making the cut in Ultimate)

 

[SPEN18]

so are we just not gonna talk about Scarlet/Violet having Metacritic user scores of around 3/10?

(the critic scores rn are 77, which is not alarmingly bad but low for the mainline series overall)

 

[Wonder Smash]

I feel that a Koei Tecmo character just missed making the cut in Ultimate. I wouldn't doubt their chances for Deluxe/Smash 6.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

so are we just not gonna talk about Scarlet/Violet having Metacritic user scores of around 3/10?

(the critic scores rn are 77, which is not alarmingly bad but low for the mainline series overall)

Honestly, its hard for me to not think it'll be a repeat of Sword and Shield; a lot of very big complaints, but ultimately huge sales and eventual patches and DLC that satisfy some fans. The criticism is certainly more visible now (and there's far less counterarguments about fan entitlement like what was seen with the rancor about Dexit), however the series is such a financial juggernaut and there's such an influx of new fans buying games every gen that I don't think things are likely to change soon.

If Pokemon goes into gradual decline with its profits and the obvious problems of mainline games being tied to merchandise/the anime become too big? Absolutely we'll see a shift. I just don't think we're there yet.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

so are we just not gonna talk about Scarlet/Violet having Metacritic user scores of around 3/10?

User scores are not very important in the long term.

User reviews on Metacritic are also hyperbolic. No one honestly thinks games like this deserve a 0/10 or a 10/10.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

so are we just not gonna talk about Scarlet/Violet having Metacritic user scores of around 3/10?

(the critic scores rn are 77, which is not alarmingly bad but low for the mainline series overall)

User scores on MetaCritic are always finicky. If there is any form of backlash or bandwagon against a game, people will review bomb it. That isn't to say critic scores are perfect either, but user scores on MetaCritic have never been a perfect example to find out if a game is good or bad. A two sentence 1/10 review where someone complains about fps issues is not going to be helpful for you to make a decision on the quality of a game. Play a game yourself or find a critic you personally think aligns with your philosophy on games as a whole. Even then, the quality of Scarlet and Violet do not affect it going into Smash: timing does. Smash has represented plenty of mediocre at best games like Metroid Other M, Donkey Konga, Star Fox Zero, or what have you. We would not be getting a Gen 9 character due to some perceived notion of it "deserving" a character: we would get it because it came out at the right time.

Personally, I think Scarlet and Violet are the best mainline Pokemon games since Gen V, performance be damned. Yes, the game looks like butt and can sometimes run badly, especially in the cities. But god is it fun. I like being able to not have friendly rival a and side character b show up everywhere and force me down the same beaten path. I like being able to choose what I get to do and when I do it. It is fun exploring the region rather than being stuck on one single strict path. The new Pokemon and the OST are great as well. The soundtrack is super nice and my favorite we have had since... Gen V. They really knocked it out of the park with the new mons. I think this is the best batch of starters since Gen IV in terms of first and last starters quality. The region is full of cool new pokemon around every corner. In every nook and cranny as you explore Paldea, there is something truly new there. They also made plenty of QoL changes as well. Its easier than ever to make any pokemon competitively viable, breeding can now be done anywhere you can set up a picnic, and its more reasonable to get good items.

Did Scarlet and Violet need more time in the oven? Of course. It will need at least a patch or two of performance boosts to fix it. Is it dumb they removed the set battle feature? Of course. Do I dislike Dexit especially when we have Arceus, BDSP, and SwSh to pull resources on for Pokemon? Yes. But if you are looking for a Pokemon adventure that is fun and perhaps most of all, not walking on a linear path towards your next gym, this is great. I have not gotten to the post game yet, I have heard mixed things. But I can say definitively this is better than SwSh and BDSP. I personally so far am enjoying it more than Arceus as well, but I will see where I stand after I 100% the game.

 

[Perkilator]

Alright, so assuming a hypothetical DX got 6-10 new fighters, here’s who I’d pick:

Spoiler

• Waluigi
• Raven Beak
• Bandana Waddle Dee
• Noah and/or Mio
• Dr. Eggman
• 2B
• Crash
• Resident Evil character
• Alph (Olimar Echo)
• 9S (2B Echo)

 

[SPEN18]

User scores are not very important in the long term.

User reviews on Metacritic are also hyperbolic. No one honestly thinks games like this deserve a 0/10 or a 10/10.

Oh, yeah, to be clear I totally agree with that. I just quoted the Metacritic stuff as a starting off point for discussing the general fan reception and how it might relate to Smash.
In this case and in many others it's obvious that there's a lot of review bombing, and the total number of reviews isn't even very high relative to the whole player base.

User scores on MetaCritic are always finicky. If there is any form of backlash or bandwagon against a game, people will review bomb it. That isn't to say critic scores are perfect either, but user scores on MetaCritic have never been a perfect example to find out if a game is good or bad. A two sentence 1/10 review where someone complains about fps issues is not going to be helpful for you to make a decision on the quality of a game. Play a game yourself or find a critic you personally think aligns with your philosophy on games as a whole. Even then, the quality of Scarlet and Violet do not affect it going into Smash: timing does. Smash has represented plenty of mediocre at best games like Metroid Other M, Donkey Konga, Star Fox Zero, or what have you. We would not be getting a Gen 9 character due to some perceived notion of it "deserving" a character: we would get it because it came out at the right time.

Personally, I think Scarlet and Violet are the best mainline Pokemon games since Gen V, performance be damned. Yes, the game looks like butt and can sometimes run badly, especially in the cities. But god is it fun. I like being able to not have friendly rival a and side character b show up everywhere and force me down the same beaten path. I like being able to choose what I get to do and when I do it. It is fun exploring the region rather than being stuck on one single strict path. The new Pokemon and the OST are great as well. The soundtrack is super nice and my favorite we have had since... Gen V. They really knocked it out of the park with the new mons. I think this is the best batch of starters since Gen IV in terms of first and last starters quality. The region is full of cool new pokemon around every corner. In every nook and cranny as you explore Paldea, there is something truly new there. They also made plenty of QoL changes as well. Its easier than ever to make any pokemon competitively viable, breeding can now be done anywhere you can set up a picnic, and its more reasonable to get good items.

Did Scarlet and Violet need more time in the oven? Of course. It will need at least a patch or two of performance boosts to fix it. Is it dumb they removed the set battle feature? Of course. Do I dislike Dexit especially when we have Arceus, BDSP, and SwSh to pull resources on for Pokemon? Yes. But if you are looking for a Pokemon adventure that is fun and perhaps most of all, not walking on a linear path towards your next gym, this is great. I have not gotten to the post game yet, I have heard mixed things. But I can say definitively this is better than SwSh and BDSP. I personally so far am enjoying it more than Arceus as well, but I will see where I stand after I 100% the game.

Tbh I was actually very surprised to see so much review bombing and negative reactions. That's part of why I used that to start a discussion, since I thought others might be surprised, too. My personal judgments from the trailers were that things were going in the right direction and other than not liking the Terastal stuff at all really I was generally pleased. I knew there was a segment of the community that remained highly upset, some of it probably due to grudges being held since Sw/Sh, but I didn't think it was gonna be so vocal until the last couple of days. And I haven't played or seen enough yet to really judge for myself but probably will soon.

And lol yeah, a small percentage of fans angrily review bombing isn't going to stop them from adding whoever they want to Smash...they're going to make their judgments based on the sales and, to a lesser extent, reputable critic reviews way more than internet user reviews. The reputable critic reviews I think mean way less to them than the sales but they mean a little bit since they like to advertise things like "9/10 on IGN" and stuff.

As for the quality of Scarlet and Violet not affecting their characters getting into Smash: for now I will just say that if that is indeed the case, then there is something seriously wrong with the selection process and I don't feel wrong in criticizing it. I understand that some people are totally resigned to and/or simply completely fine with auto-repping games with good timing relative to Smash's but it's hard for me to help feeling that this rostering paradigm has the potential to do real harm to characters, games, or even franchises who simply have poor fortune in that respect.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Guess I'll drop my 10:

Rayman
Shovel Knight
Waluigi
2B
Dixie Kong
Dante
Master Chief
Doom
Bandana Dee
Toejam and Earl (100% self serving pick)

 

[SPEN18]

Also, some pages back there was discussion on speculating likelihood vs. simply talking about characters one would like to see get in.

I think that it's engaging to talk certain topics pertaining to likelihood and that there is merit in keeping discussion somewhat attached to reality or at the least running in parallel to it; however, I must confess that I very much prefer advocating for characters I'd like to see get in. I find that much more fun and much more engaging on the whole, and character support is pretty much what got me on this site to begin with. I also highly dislike certain aspects of this whole guessing game of "what was the timeline for the project plan and how might Nintendo's corporatism affect the roster," and moreover find speculation much less fun when the majority of the online community is hyperfocused on specific types of candidates, for example only recent characters, only third parties, only fan favorites, etc.

But, anyway, y'all carry on. Just forgot and/or didn't have time to chime in when the discussion was going on.

 

[silenthunder]

Alright, so assuming a hypothetical DX got 6-10 new fighters, here’s who I’d pick:

Spoiler

• Waluigi
• Raven Beak
• Bandana Waddle Dee
• Noah and/or Mio
• Dr. Eggman
• 2B
• Crash
• Resident Evil character
• Alph (Olimar Echo)
• 9S (2B Echo)

Self serving picks-
Marina Liteyears
Khameleon
Sandbag
Phoenix Wright
Crash Bandicoot
GLaDOS
Lighting
P. Walter Tugnut
Scorpion
Halloween Harry

Keeping People Happy
Bandana Dee
Crash Bandicoot
Skull Kid
Shantae
Sceptile/ Grovyle Pair
Riemu
Isaac
2B
Current Gen pokemon
Shadow

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I know people are on the Meowscarada train for a S/V rep but there are so many more interesting new Pokemon in that game, and I say that as someone who picked Sprigatito and has it fully evolved in my playthrough

 

[Geno Boost]

There's something rather fitting about a Microsoft rep discussion becoming a war zone involving the words "Crash" and "Doom". Cause the non-chosen ones are "doomed" to not get in and their fanbases will "crash" at the reveal. I will see myself out.

Also, imagine Cuphead gets in before any of them.

Wait is cuphead owned by Microsoft

 

[SPEN18]

Tbh, despite liking a lot of the new S/V designs I find the starter evos pretty lacking. I like the concept of the ghost/fire croc but something about the design strikes me as lifeless and bland in a way I haven't quite gotten over so far. Meowscarada looks kinda goofy, but not in a charming way really. Quaquaval is the best-looking out of the three for me so far but I still can't stop seeing a water Blaziken ripoff...
So yeah, benched starter again for me this gen. At least the base forms look good, though.
That said, there are plenty of other great mons to try out. And I'll see if I warm up to any of the starters at all and I'll be observing how the community reacts to them as we move along here.

--

Separate from the above, I actually would prefer if Pokemon moved away from the three-starter paradigm altogether. I don't know what the alternative would be but I do know there's plenty of options.

 

[NintenZ]

So I haven’t posted here in eons, but I’ve had Smash on my brain for a bit, so I’m thinking I might do a huge write-up going over all of the potential ideas I have for whatever comes next for Smash, right now I’m just gauging ideas for what I might see but I eventually want to cover all the faucets.

Expect something soonish.

 

[MA_DA_Oh]

Cool final roster, a shame they took out Tarnished though
Oh and them deciding between Hero and Sora using a roulette and Hero taking it was funny, never doubt the RNG king.

Thats by quite far the worst "prediction" for a new smash roster Ive ever seen and its not even close. And they say "Your results" with proud caps even tho their pols where only posted in a few places, had low entrance and they didnt followed it at all, but used instead bad excuses, cause a lot of people were against cuts period, they just used wtv excuse to cut the ones they personally werent into and use the pol as a cover to toxic roster cuts, if it was "your results" (so no real world constraints) then wed get everyone is here again instead of this excuse to hate (even back when that "pol" was out I remember some redit comment said how some questions felt super skewed and even then everyone was saying theyd personally want everyone here or not cuts etc, theyre using fake ad populum to justify their own hate/opinions so their video would look more legit instead of just another fan roster)

They also clearly removed characters solely for personal preference and added their wanted ones without caring for more than some cheap excuses:

• Kazuuya is a massive icon, thats also from a series that does crossovers all the time, zero excuse to cut when it also has an unique moveset, they just got salty they didnt predicted him
• Zero Suit Samus is both popular and unique, this right here proves 100% this was NOT based on fan input period, they should be ashamed of using "your results" when thats objectively a lie
• Joker may not be that big but its highly popular in smash, has a huge fanbase outside it, and P6 may be far away and have an entire different concept to an mc
• Incineroar has an extremely unique moveset, and no other pokemon would fight the same, its there for the fun moveset that nothing comes close too, and they just cut it for being petty and angry it wasnt their personal choice
• Toon Link and Falco may be semiclones, but theyre also gigantic icons to the Smash series and their lack would disappoint so many fans, if so many echoes are staying, a roster that big as what they did shouldnt have issue
• Deciding on such icons as Hero and Sora over a bad spiteful roulette is just lame and shows theyre salty at both, Hero itself should never be considered out if third parties are far game, specially when they dump a bunch of ones solely because they were speculated a lot during early dlc period, this also proves how american-centric and spiteful of other places they are that this is even up to debate, keeping Hero, Dragon Quest is one of the biggest franchises ever in Japan
• Despite the hate they get both Corrin and Byleth have many players who love their unique movesets too, and even then cutting one over the other was clearly bias from the streamers and not a fan request (of their suprisingly microscopic fanbase judging by how empty the chat was and how they get no views despite the site being so old)
• We dont know when MP4 comes out, if the Sylux tease pays off, and if its big enough to justify smash spot, thats just again their personal bias instead of a fair prediction
• If negotiations are such an issue then they shouldnt bloat it with tons of MS reps, yes they had an easy time this time, but we dont know the future and thats a lot of reps when they butchered the Squeenix ones solely out of spite
• Piranha Plant and its unique moveset, and design, and fans, being cut despite other weird choices like Rob staying just shows, once again, that they are just very spiteful and full of hate that their personal predictions from 5 years ago were wrong, cant ever get over it, and are using the stream to project their hate as a factual proposal
• Other than Disney hardships, theres no other reason to cut Sora, its the MOST WANTED character in Smash period, and they have the gal to claim this is fan input when they cut the most requested character ever, sorry for caps but they should ashamed of such clickbait, thats just embarassing
• The XC3 choice fully proves they know nothing about why Pyra got chosen and just assume she was some main girl and thats it

I cant believe it came from that site, I guess they lost everybody there that did good analisys or understood the roster choices, cause even when I used to lurk to read predictions here, like 99% rosters of this site alone are better than this one, even the ones to other games would make better smash sequel rosters, that also had nothing to do with the poll, just like the pokemon stuff, it was them projecting their own bias using fake ad populum

Id be willing to bet that 99% users of this forum could make a more fitting prediction roster than this mess (which despite its advertising is clearly NOT based on the polls as I mentioned, it was only their bias at best using the poll to pick newcomers the rest is bs)
The only good thing I can claim from that video is that I will never again feel sorry that their site and videos are so empty of views and basically dead in the water nowadays, they truly became irrelevant, tho with the caveat that such emptiness allowed them to pretend they represent the fans with such obscure polling that they couldnt even follow, dang to think this was from the site that archived sakurai articles before

Edit

• Not sure on Takamaru, they say they picked him on personal bias and 'retro' slot, and I won't counter the former because that's personal opinion, but considering Ultimate didn't have any character that can be conclusively perceived as retro I think making a 'slot' for it is pretty questionable. Sukapon also falls into that same reasoning, but also IIRC lacks an international release which is stated to be the reason that hindered Takamaru before
• Also, on Bomberman, I heard their reasoning for him not being on the roster is that they think there was more to him not being chosen, but I'm not sure there's a deeper reasoning other than priority. Base game had a very small unique newcomer roster and Super Bomberman R didn't release or take off until after the roster was chosen, and the DLC they chose was very competitive in popularity so it's easy to see the character be passed over for other options. I think they may be seeing a problem that isn't there, particularly since he's never been commented on.

I like both Takamaru and Sukapon but their logic doesnt hold specially when last time had no retros (and again this proves this roster is not being build off that poll at all if they just pick whoever like that and cut a lot to make room) most probably neither would be chosen as the retro catalogue has so many possible paths anyway

And about Bomberman theres zero info about its rights being an issue, unlike say Ms Pacman, this is all well documented and they should know that as they used to help documentng before their site became washed up and empty and everyone left, Bomberman shouldn have issues if it gets such complex skins and if bomb items are fair game. Sounds more like they personally had bias against it and again, this proves this was not "your results" like they clickbaited, none of this was from the poll at all, that was for newcomers mostly too.

 

[Geno Boost]

i expect next smash game to have 3 new 3rd party companies to get a rep
-in brawl we got 2 new companies (Konami, SEGA)
-in sm4sh we got 3 new companies (Capcom, Namco, Square-Enix)
-in ultimate we got 3 new companies (Microsoft, SNK, Disney)

my prediction next 3 new companies would be:
-I think the 2 next most likely companies are Ubisoft and Tecmo due to strong relationship with nintendo and already having some content in smash and both already showed their support for Rayman and Ryu Hayabusa and having alot of demand in the smash community overall
-as for the 3rd new company its a bit tricky but i think it might be either Tetris or ArcSys or Warner Bros or Tencent each of them for a different reason but i think Tetris and ArcSys are more likely due to them already having some content in smash and long history with nintendo

what i have seen from ultimate newcomers is that there is almost a balance between nintendo reps and 3rd party reps
Nintendo reps:
nintendo Echoes:
3rd party reps:
3rd party Echoes:
i am expecting next smash newcomers would be 50% nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
in ultimate each 3rd party company got another newcomer (besides SNK and Disney since they joined late during DLC era) so i do expect that to happen again

but what do you think?
what are your thoughts on what could be the next 3 new 3rd party companies getting a rep

 

[Mamboo07]

speculate on Echo Fighters right now, so I am just gonna say somewhere around what Ultimate got if not a little more. Probably Shadow the Hedgehog will be one of them.

I prefer Shadow being a unique fighter having his own moveset.
(Motorbike, Super form or Chaos Blast as final smash, and some of his moves from Sonic Battle)

 

[WeirdChillFever]

So I know Fire Emblem is often a repeated subject that tends to bring groans in regards to character discussion and speculation about Alear is probably not going to be much different, what with them following the Avatar trend and them not looking too different from other Lords aside from the Pepsi hair. So rather than discussing the next game's protagonists' inevitability, why don't we discuss the characters from a game that is one of Nintendo's highest grossing mobile games, Fire Emblem Heroes?

With Fire Emblem Heroes' revenue reaching 1 billion and being one of Nintendo's top Grossing mobiles games even surpassing Mario Kart Tour immensely, and with it finishing up Book VI and on it's way to Book VII in December, Fire Emblem Heroes is certainly a game to think about in regards to the next Smash Bros. It's already had an appearance in Smash Bros. with a music track, the newest remix of the Fire Emblem theme being based on the Heroes version, and Black Knight, the Assist Trophy, uses his voice actors' lines from his appearance in Heroes.
So it's quite possible that more content from Fire Emblem Heroes could enter Smash Bros.

• It could be in the form of items like the new Arcane weapons, or maybe a new Pokeball-like item like the Breidablik that could summon different Fire Emblem characters from the different games. More music would also be great.
• Could be in the form of Spirits or bigger appearances like Assist Trophies, Bosses or maybe even a stage with cameos.
• And then there's the possibility of actually getting a character. With Fire Emblem Heroes about to start Book VII, Fire Emblem Heroes could still be active when the next Smash Bros. is being developed and whatnot.

And obviously, I did ask about discussing the characters. But rather than just leaving those who know nothing about FEH in the dark and confused, I'd thought I would do a summary on the different Main characters for FEH for unknowing Smash fans and see if I can peak some interest.

Spoiler: BIG LONG POST WITH PICTURES AND SPOILERS

Spoiler: Alfonse

• First starting with the Protagonist Alfonse, the one in the middle and Prince of Askr. The one on the left is Heroes' version of Anna. The one on the right is Alfonse' sister Sharena.
• Obviously, Alfonse is the cookie cutter image of the Fire Emblem Protagonist lord, with the classic blue hair and Sword, but in combat, he also uses a shield, like what Marth, Lucina and Chrom also use, aside from Smash Bros. where they don't.
• That said, alot of FEH fans certainly have some fond moments with Alfonse, where aside from being very strategic in mindset and deceiving his foes with careful and well-placed strategies and wording, he has the balls to say he will kill Hel, the Goddess of the Realm Hel and FEH's personification of death, and also has some good, "I'm not taking crap from you./No U" attitude moments.
• Moveset-wise, one might look at him and think Roy and Chrom, but for one, he does use a Shield and two, in his own game he is slow, so he'd be more similar to Link and Hero. His original Special move is Sol, but he can also get access to Luna, Aether, Bonfire, Astra, Draconic Aura and Moonbow. Also, one of his alternate versions eventually gets a Special called "Open the Way", a reference to his Critical catchphrase, "I'll open the way."
• For his Final Smash, the easiest Option would be Open the Way, but you can also pull a Robin with him where he can summon Anna, Sharena and/or Kiran, the Summoner, to do a combo attack with them and finish with Open the Way. As he uses a Sword, Anna uses an Axe and Sharena uses a Spear, it can also serve as a reference to the Weapon Triangle of Sword/Axe/Lance.

Spoiler: Kiran/The Summoner

• Next with the Player Protagonist, the Summoner, their default name being Kiran(ENG) or Eclat(JP). Kiran's true design is the hooded one in the middle, as it is used as the promotional version for the FEH Manga, Cinematics and other FEH-related stuff, but eventually during Book V, FEH gave the option to customize Kiran, where you can choose the Default Hooded look or choose from 3 Male designs and 3 Female designs, although they added a 4th Male and Female design some point later.
• Much like how Alfonse follows the traditional Protagonist Lord look, Kiran follows the footsteps of the other Avatar characters like Mark, Kris, Robin, Corrin and Byleth, although Kiran clearly takes from Robin mostly. Their main Weapon is the Breidablik, a Gun-like Mythical weapon that can shoot out magic, can transform into a Sword, Axe and Lance version and it's main purpose is to summon different Fire Emblem characters from different worlds to help save Askr.
• Kiran in-game is mainly a silent protagonist that does not have much of a personality aside from being a good hearted person noted by other characters. It also shows in the early FEH Cinematics, where they are mostly a helper to Alfonse and the other main Heroes. However, in the FEH Manga and Cinematics, Kiran is a frickin' dork and goofball complete with gameplay awareness and Meta humor. Not that far off from an Isekei Hero, especially when Kiran was summoned by Anna from the World of Steel, AKA The Real World of Earth. They're also a professional Disco record player and a master of the tambourine.
• Now whether or not they actually give Kiran their FEH Manga/later Cinematic personality for Smash is unknown. They can either be a straightforward character or they can go full into their identity as a Real World Human with alot of awareness of Fire Emblem and Smash Bros. gameplay mechanics and make them a dorky goofball.
• Moveset-wise, Kiran's access to Breidablik gives them not only a Gun-like weapon that shoots out magic, like lightning magic and whatnot, but it can also transform into a Sword, Lance and Axe giving them access to the Weapon Triangle. They can also control the Sword/Lance/Axe versions telepathically and use them for ranged attacks as well. The Breidablik can also be used to summon Heroes by shooting their entry waypoint out like a bullet and summoning them to attack, so they could use some Heroes for his Special moves similar to Bayonetta's Smash attacks or Zelda's Spirit familiar.
• As they are an Avatar character like Robin, Corrin and Byleth, their many alternate costumes would be 4 Male versions and 4 Female versions. There would be a Male Hooded version and a Female Hooded version for consistency sake while the other 6 would be based on the available looks that can be chosen for Kiran, with each one having a different colored outfit for gameplay sake.
• Their Final Smash would more than likely be using the Breidablik to summon a whole bunch of Heroes for an all-out attack, but they could be given a Final Smash where he and Alfonse team up against the enemy much like Robin and Chrom.

Spoiler: Veronica

• Once the starting main villain for Fire Emblem Heroes, Veronica has gone through the stages of villain than reluctant helper to eventually her major role in Book VI as both a willing ally and manipulated against her will by the goddess Embla. The left design is her original design. The middle design is her Brave design, when she was voted to the 2nd Most Voted Female character in Choose Your Legends Round 2. The right design is the form given to her by Embla to fight against the player and protagonists in Book VI.
• Veronica's main weapon is Magic, with her original Tome being Elivagar and the Tome given to her by Embla being Enclosing Dark. Her Brave version wields Hlidskjálf, a giant Staff weapon. In-story, she is mainly a dark magic user due to Embla's blood being in her veins.
• Veronica goes through alot of character development though the books. During Book 1, she mainly starts as the spoiled princess of the Embla Empire who wants to destroy Askr, but eventually thanks to some of the Heroes she forced contracts with, she starts focusing less on Askr and more on the well-being and lives of her people. During the early times when she has to join forces with Askr, she starts mostly with "I'm only doing this because I have to." but slowly and eventually by Book VI, she reaches Main Heroine status and by then is more than grateful for Askr helping her with the issues in her kingdom and the darkness threatening to swallow both Askr and Embla and she becomes very sorrowful when she is forced to battle Alfonse and the player by Embla.
• Moveset-wise, she would mainly be a magic user. She could also possibly use Hlidskjálf, her Staff for some moves as well. But that said, her big magic moves would mainly consist of dark magic like Elivagar, Nosferatu and Gespenst. Although maybe there could be a special move where she summons Xander, one of the Heroes from FEFates she forced a contract with, but stayed with her to see if he could possibly help her with her problem.
• Her Final Smash would more than likely be Embla transforming her into her Book VI look and having her use Enclosing Dark to engulf foes near her.

Spoiler: Fjorm

• The main Heroine of Book 2, Fjorm hails from the ice kingdom of Nifl who fights against the invading fiery kingdom of Muspell and it's tyrannical king, Surtr. The design to the left is her main look while the design to the right is her powered up by her kingdom's goddess Nifl. She is infamous for her many appearances in the event Forging Bonds.
• Fjorm's main weapon is Leiptr, a lance of ice important to her home kingdom. And her powered up version uses Nifl's Bite, given to her by the goddess Nifl. She is also a conjurer of ice magic, capable of firing gigantic ice projectiles and conjuring a shield of ice that absorbs incoming damage to boost her power for a short while.
• Personality-wise, she is a mix between gentle, timid and determined. In-battle for the most part, she's more than willing to fight against Surtr to save her kingdom and to avenge her mother and older sister who were slain by him. Nevertheless, she shows compassion for Laegjern, an enemy general who showed mercy to some of her people and who's fighting to protect her sister, and becomes sorrowful when they are forced to kill Laegjern. And her gentleness and unwillingness to kill those she finds friends is really put to the test when the goddess Nifl forces her to fight against the god Muspell who has revived and chosen Laegjern to fight against Fjorm and Nifl to Fjorm's horror.
• Moveset-wise, she is mainly a Lance wielder. But she could utilize her Axe for her Smash attacks. She also uses Ice Magic and they can be utilized by her Special attacks, like she could use Ice projectiles for her B or Side-B and her Ice Mirror Special for her Down-B Special. She can also conjure ice to use for movement.
• Her Final Smash would likely be her being powered up by the goddess Nifl to unleash a powerful Ice attack on foes.

Spoiler: Eir

• The main Heroine of Book 3, Eir is the "daughter" of Hel, the goddess of the realm of Hel, who is forced to fight against the player and Alfonse early, but is spared by the group after her defeat and she joins them. She comes across as hopeless to Alfonses' incoming doom to Hel, but slowly her friendship with the group eventually has her turn against Hel and she ultimately helps Alfonse, Veronica and Kiran in defeating Hel for good. She is eventually found by the goddess Ymir who comes to save her from Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, and reveals Eir's true lineage. Her left design is her main design throughout Book 3 and some Forging Bonds. Her right design is her being revitalised and powered up by Ymir.
• Eir's main weapon is Lyfjaberg, a dagger given to her by Hel, that according to her, offers death to those who seek it and gives compassion to those wish to live. When powered by Ymir, she gains the dagger Ymir, Everliving. Despite the fact that she is shown with one dagger, both Lyfjaberg and Ymir can become two daggers for Eir to dual-wield which often portrays her spin attacking or attacking with both.
• Personality-wise, she starts as a very sorrowful and hopeless character, having been forced to live and die constantly by Hel who used her as a power source. She is often gloomy and has a hopeless outlook. Eventually, her friendship with the protag group slowly gives her determination, hope and smile back. Forging Bonds portrays her as both curious, but still rather sorrowful as she adjusts to her new life. And after her journey with Ymir, learning her true identity and having to face Lif, her determination and desire to help erupts out for the sake of the fallen and desiring to help Lif with his currant problem.
• Moveset-wise, she'd probably be a quick character who fights up close with daggers and also throws them. She can imbue her daggers with dark or life energy and if true to her gameplay in Fire Emblem, her daggers can slowly reduce the defense of her foes as she hits them. That said, as she does not have her own Special compared to some other characters, she could utilize her innate Special attack, Moonbow, as well as other Specials like Luna, Draconic Aura, Blazing Wind, and most notably, Lethality, a classic Special normally used by Assassins in the FE series, but it's also a Special she can get.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her powered by the goddess Ymir and utilizing the dagger Ymir, Everliving, to unleash a special attack against foes.

Spoiler: Lif

• One of the main Antagonists of Book 3, Lif is one of the followers of Hel in her invasion against Askr and Embla. Named after the first King of Askr, in reality, he is a parallel version of Alfonse who's group ultimately lost to Hel, literally being 1 of the only 2 survivors from his world. Hel eventually gives him a deal where if he helps her destroy the next world, she will fully bring back his World, including the fallen like his world's Sharena and Kiran. Beyond desperate and looking at the slightest hope, he accepts the deal and takes the name Lif. The character on the right is Thrasir, named after the first Empress of Embla, the 2nd only survivor of Lif's world and in reality, a parallel version of Veronica.
• His main weapon is Sökkvabekkr, a longsword given to him by Hel. He loses the shield that he had as Alfonse most likely to emphasise his destructive desperation in wanting to destroy the currant world to get his own world back. When he is later brought back by Ganglot, Hel's handmaiden, to kill Eir, Ganglot gives him the dangerous Arcane weapon once owned by Hel, Éljúdnir.
• Personality-wise, he's what you think he would be like with that backstory. Serious, blunt and quite sorrowful similarly to Eir. Compared to Alfonse, he is without mercy and while uncompassionate to the currant world's group, he doesn't show sadism or anger to them, only desperation and despair.
• Moveset-wise, he'd still be nowhere like the Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina quad. Maybe a mix between Cloud and Ike. His moveset would probably focus on being destructive and having desperation in his attacks. He can utilise the same Specials as Alfonse, including Open the Way.
• His Final Smash would most likely be him teaming up with Thrasir for a combo attack, with him striking with his sword and Thrasir using dark magic. It's also possible for his Final Smash to utilise Éljúdnir, where his attacks become more destructive due to the sinister nature of the Arcane weapons.

Spoiler: Peony

• The main Heroine of Book 4, she is a Fairy from Ljósálfheimr, the Realm of Dreams. She aids Alfonse and his group after they are trapped in a dream by Freyja, the ruler of Dökkálfheimr, the Realm of Nightmares. She and Sharena have an old friendship with each other, having met each other in the Realm of Dreams as children, alongside 3 other children. It is later revealed that Peony, alongside the other 3 children, chose to become fairies after Freyr, the ruler of Ljósálfheimr, offered them to become fairies to help restore the Realm of Dreams.
• Peony does not use normal weaponry. Instead she uses the Flower of Joy, a power of the Realm of Dreams for attacking foes and supporting her allies. As a "Light Fairy", her dream powers often revolve around light and cheeriness.
• She's friendly, sociable and likes to meet people and make new friends, very similarly to Sharena. She also shows compassion to those who are having problems and wants to give them good and gentle dreams to help cheer them up.
• Compared to the others that I have listed, Peony is much more suitable as an Assist Trophy or Summon, as she is much more a Support character rather than an attacker. With her Flower of Joy and her special Dance support, Gentle Dream, she powers up her allies and refreshes them. I just thought I'd list her for consistency sake since she still is a main Heroine.

Spoiler: Reginn

• Reginn is the Main Heroine of Book 5 and is a Dvergar(the old name for Dwarf. Yes, she's a dwarf.) from the realm of Nidavellir, a vast kingdom of technological advances and machinery. At first, she fights against Askr under orders from her brother, Fafnir, but she eventually joins Askr as she feels like her brothers are being raged consumed and she wants to know why. She fights against her brothers Fafnir and Otr while trying to ask them why they feel so anger driven, but her questions are mostly ignored for the most part. She eventually goes to Jotunheimr with Alfonse and the group to find the royal sword Gramr where she befriends the Jotun Dagr and Nott and finds out she is the missing heir to Nidavellir.
• Rather than wielding a weapon normally, she rides the Nidavellir-created Seidjárn, a four-legged Mecha that wields a giant sword and shield, shoots Seidr Shell bullets and rockets and can move quickly around the area even after attacking. She does eventually gets the sword Gramr that she uses to slay her forcibly maddened brother.
• Personality-wise, she's tomboy-ish, open, wants to help people and really wants to help her brothers and find why they feel so rage driven. That said, she's also somewhat driven by impulse, she has a desire to prove herself and she can also get very emotional, especially when she is fighting her brothers later in the story. Also, she's implied to be a heavy eater by Sharena.
• Moveset-wise, she would be a Mecha character, riding in her Seidjarn and attacking with a giant sword, bullets, rockets and whatnot. The Seidjarn is not overly big compared to other fighters. When she fought with Alfonse in the cinematic, the Seidjarn is not that bigger from Alfonse. It's possible that Bowser would still be bigger than the Seidjarn, although not by that much. As a Mecha Fighter, Reginn could potentially leave it after the Seidjarn gets damaged enough or she could stay in the Seidjarn and the Seidjarn gets knocked back like everybody else when they are launched. If they do make her leave the Seidjarn at some point, she would wield Gramr and likely be light and nimble compared to her Seidjarn.
• Her Final Smash would most likely be her Seidjarn utilising a barrage of weaponry before finishing off with a sword strike. Maybe she could get a team-up FS with Dagr.

Spoiler: Ash

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• Probably the Secondary Main Heroine of Book 6, as Book 6 focuses more around Veronica compared to Ash, but nevertheless, she's the one who joins Alfonse and crew at the start of Book 6 like the other Main Heroines. She is the retainer to Lord Askr, the god of the kingdom of Askr, much like the goddess Embla to the Embla Empire. She comes to the aid of Alfonse and Crew when they find areas of complete darkness appearing in Askr, where they learn that Embla is making her descent to force those with her blood in them to destroy the kingdom of Askr.
• Despite her humanoid form, her main form of battle is a divine beast to fight against foes. And yes, it is a bovine. It doesn't stop her from shooting lasers from her horns and that tail of hers. Aside from her divine form, she does hold a staff and while she never outright uses the staff, artwork does depict her using it in a magic-like sense.
• Personality-wise, she's peaceful, amicable and protective and puts others over herself. That said, she can be a bit over talkative, especially in trying to get across what's on her mind and thoughts.
• Much like Peony, she'd probably work more as an Assist/Summon character rather than a fighter, especially in a similar vein as Assist Trophy Tiki. She does have a staff that she can use for fighting, although her Divine form may not get alot of attention in favor of balance issues aside from her Final Smash.
• As for a Final Smash for her, aside from her form, her other possible Final Smash would be summoning Lord Askr to unleash an powerful attack on her foes.

Because of their presence in Book 6 and somewhat their importance to Alfonse and Veronica, here's Lord Askr and Lady Embla.

Spoiler: Askr and Embla

Spoiler: Divine Form Askr and Embla

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• Askr and Embla are the Divine Dragons that worked with the first King of Askr Lif and the first Empress of Embla Thrasir to found the Kingdom of Askr and the Embla Empire. Despite Askr being very trusting and open to the mortals, Embla was not so trusting and while she was convinced by Askr to open up a bit and she enjoyed the appreciation, but after an incident, Embla became distrusting of mortals again. That distrust only became worst, especially to Askr, and eventually, she contained the people of Embla and herself and plotted to kill Askr and those with his blood.
• Askr's Divine form is that of a large divine bull, a much holier version compared to Twilight Princess Ganon while Embla's Divine form is that of a large bat-like dragon. Aside from their Divine forms, both of them hold Staff-like weapons like their retainers and compared to Ash, the Cinematic trailer with them has them using their staves for attacks and defense. Also, it should be noted that it's not a dress Embla's wearing. Those are her wings wrapped around her.
• Personality-wise, Askr is cheerful, benevolent, open and also a dork. According to Askr, Embla once was also kind, although the events that lead to her change made her spiteful, cruel and hateful.
• Hilariously, when they were first revealed, alot of FEH players went for Askr compared to Embla because of how dork-ish and cheerful he was acting in the trailer.

So there we go. I got a list of the notable FEH characters put there, I hopefully made it easy to find the more Smash Bros. important stuff like gameplay, aesthetic and whatnot. I know not alot of people are Fire Emblem fans and it's easy to talk about Alear in regards to Smash Bros, but I thought we could give FEH some attention. It's got some cool settings, interesting characters and good music. It's a notable mobile game for Nintendo in how much money it's made for them. I say a character from FEH is decently possible and there are a good number of characters they can choose from.
Heck, Book 7 is almost here and who knows which Book we'll be on when the next Smash Bros. comes. It would be interesting to see what Smash could do with FEH.

Any Fire Emblem fans and enthusiasts want to add anything in regards to FEH Smash Speculation?
@Opossum @Erureido C chocolatejr9

Holy portal to Zenith what a post! I’m just jumping in to be a hipster and suggest Loki considering her all-round importance to the overall story. Gonna read the full post later and edit in my thoughts!

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

One stance I've had for a while, even though it clearly isn't Nintendo's stance, is that first parties shouldn't be chosen based on fan demand; importance; or even moveset potential, but rather how much appeal they'd have to people unfamiliar with the franchise they're from. Look at how popular K. Rool - the cackling 80s-Saturday-morning-style villain of a pirate-king-scientist-boxer - was for months following Ultimate's launch; then compare it to the hype longevity of other big Nintendo-adjacent fan demands like Banjo - the duo primarily remembered for their text-based banter - and Ridley - the villain primarily remembered for his relationship with the protagonist.

 

[fogbadge]

One stance I've had for a while, even though it clearly isn't Nintendo's stance, is that first parties shouldn't be chosen based on fan demand; importance; or even moveset potential, but rather how much appeal they'd have to people unfamiliar with the franchise they're from. Look at how popular K. Rool - the cackling 80s-Saturday-morning-style villain of a pirate-king-scientist-boxer - was for months following Ultimate's launch; then compare it to the hype longevity of other big Nintendo-adjacent fan demands like Banjo - the duo primarily remembered for their text-based banter - and Ridley - the villain primarily remembered for his relationship with the protagonist.

90s

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

90s

I said 80s-style.