Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Gengar84]

Though I do see what you're saying, I just want to say that fans have legitimately wanted Banjo in Smash for a long time. It's just that it didn't seem possible at first since he was bought by Microsoft years ago.

I can relate. Sephiroth has been a dream pick of mine since third parties were a thing in Smash. I just didn’t talk much about him because I didn’t really expect to ever see him. Once we got Cloud, there was at least a small chance but I didn’t really get my hopes up too much. I didn’t vote for him in the ballot because it almost felt like throwing my vote away. I learned my lesson now if we ever get another ballot. That’s one reason I’m more vocal these days about my unlikely dream characters for the next game. Several of my current most wanted characters are owned by Microsoft as well so Banjo opens the door for them as possibilities, even if unlikely.

 

[fogbadge]

speaking of character possibilities, two characters who i thought were impossible got in and one character i thought was a dead cert did not. it was at that point i officially gave up on speculation

 

[Gengar84]

speaking of character possibilities, two characters who i thought were impossible got in and one character i thought was a dead cert did not. it was at that point i officially gave up on speculation

That’s one reason I don’t have much interest in talking about likelihood. I’d much rather just share ideas about our favorite characters and not stress too much about their chances.

 

[fogbadge]

That’s one reason I don’t have much interest in talking about likelihood. I’d much rather just share ideas about our favorite characters and not stress too much about their chances.

I think you might be the most sensible smash fan of them all

 

[Aligo]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

BOWSER'S. CASTLE.

Seriously, you'd think they'd at least use it for a game that celebrates video games, but they're still skimping out on it after nearly 25 years.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

Gamindustri

 

[Aligo]

BOWSER'S. CASTLE.

Seriously, you'd think they'd at least use it for a game that celebrates video games, but they're still skimping out on it after nearly 25 years.

100% this. Of course, there is the issue of which bowser's castle, as there are a lot of cool variations.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

There's loads:

Kirby: Anything from Epic Yarn, Planet Robobot, or Triple Deluxe.

DK: Just something isn't from DKC1 or a generic jungle setting; Oil Drum Alley, Bramble Blast, Web Woods, Kannon's Klaim, Treetop Tumble, Krevice Kreepers, Grassland Groove, Scorch and Torch, Windmill Hills, etc.

Metal Gear: Big Shell Platform, Mother Base, VR Mission Setting

Banjo Kazooie: Click Clock Wood, Treasure Trove Cove, Mad Monster Mansion

Mario: Star Hill (Super Mario RPG), Rogueport, Underwhere/Overthere, Flower Fields, Lungeon Kingdom

LoZ: Stone Tower Temple, Spirit Temple, Arbiter's Grounds, Lanayru Desert, Subrosian Volcanoes

Yoshi: Any actual stage from Woolly World

Sonic: Spring Yard, Scrap Brain, Chemical Plant, Casino Night, Oil Ocean, Angel Island, Flying Battery, Launch Base, Mushroom Hill, Lava Reef, City Escape, Planet Wisp, Aquarium Park (yeah its a long list).

 

[chocolatejr9]

That’s one reason I don’t have much interest in talking about likelihood. I’d much rather just share ideas about our favorite characters and not stress too much about their chances.

BLASPHEMY! Everyone knows likelihood is the lifeblood of ALL character selections! BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!

(This is meant to be a joke, BTW).

 

[Mamboo07]

BOWSER'S. CASTLE.

Seriously, you'd think they'd at least use it for a game that celebrates video games, but they're still skimping out on it after nearly 25 years.

YES.

We still have never got one.

 

[Wonder Smash]

That’s one reason I don’t have much interest in talking about likelihood. I’d much rather just share ideas about our favorite characters and not stress too much about their chances.

Same here. That's why I say you just never know what could happen and anything is possible...including things that don't seem likely are possible.

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

Mushroom Kingdom III. I think a Super Mario Bros. 3 stage is long overdue for a Smash game.

Dream Land NES. Probably not the most popular pick for a Kirby stage but I'm an NES guy, so I can't help it. lol

As for what I think would come with a new series:

Sky City Tokyo with Ninja Gaiden.

City Streets with Double Dragon (based on the design of the first stage from Double Dragon Neon).

Mars with Doom (specifically Doom 2016).

Red Falcon Building with Contra.

As for stages with no fighters:

A stage from the LazerBlazer game from Super Scope 6.

 

[Mamboo07]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

A new Sonic stage that isn't generic green hills.

As well something from Modern Kirby which is such a disgrace.

 

[Perkilator]

BOWSER'S. CASTLE.

Seriously, you'd think they'd at least use it for a game that celebrates video games, but they're still skimping out on it after nearly 25 years.

Expanding on this, here’s an entire list I made of stages I wish we could see. I linked the ideas I completed on Google Docs or borrowed from other sources.

 

[SPEN18]

characters don't look engaging funnily enough

It's a mixed bag for me, but there's a good group of characters who I expect myself to enjoy playing as. Granted, I think I have a lower bar to clear than most people in terms of what I'd call a good character design. With this game it's just that there are some designs which are, well, over-the-top to put it lightly. A few others have like one or two more minor elements that I don't really like but these don't typically ruin the whole character for me. Most of the more "straightforward" ones I like a lot such as Boucheron, Vander, Framme, etc.

 

[Sucumbio]

I missed a whole page! I'm so happy.

I would like a new stage from Castlevania when if Alucard gets promoted. So many choices! I used to make the in Brawl's stage builder lol.

Also a boss fight vs Granfalloon! .... Hmm

 

[fogbadge]

I missed a whole page! I'm so happy.

I would like a new stage from Castlevania when if Alucard gets promoted. So many choices! I used to make the in Brawl's stage builder lol.

Also a boss fight vs Granfalloon! .... Hmm

could you send a link to that boss? I have a funny feeling I know what it is but I’d like to confirm

 

[Sucumbio]

could you send a link to that boss? I have a funny feeling I know what it is but I’d like to confirm

This guy

 

[Aligo]

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This guy

The next pikmin game will feature one of these, comprised of all the pikmin olimar senselessly killed, back for vengeance.

 

[HyperSomari64]

What fourth-party stages would like to see (while ignoring M.S. 'Golden Rule')
1. World Martial Arts Tournament Arena - Dragon Ball
2. Shrek's House (or The Swamp) - Shrek
3. The Krusty Krab- SpongeBob SquarePants
4. The Turtle Lair - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
5. Any level from the N64 GoldenEye game
Any ideas?

 

[fogbadge]

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This guy

that’s the one

5. Any level from the N64 GoldenEye game
Any ideas?

the one recycled for banjo tooie?

 

[Mamboo07]

I would like a new stage from Castlevania

Here's some possible ones:

• Clock Tower
• Great Stairway
• Nest of Evil
• Castle Keep
• Buried Chamber

 

[HyperSomari64]

the one recycled for banjo tooie?

If you're talking about Clinker's Cavern that's ok, but my heart goes to Aztec.

Other 4th Party stage ideas:

• *** Bomb-Omb Concert - Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
• The Moon - DuckTales
• The Bat-Cave - Batman

 

[fogbadge]

If you're talking about Clinker's Cavern that's ok, but my heart goes to Aztec.

Other 4th Party stage ideas:

• *** Bomb-Omb Concert - Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
• The Moon - DuckTales
• The Bat-Cave - Batman

yes. Oh sorry I thought you said do you mean

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

: Twilight Town
: Death Egg Zone
: Bowser's Castle
: Frozen Fruits from DKC Tropical Freeze
: Salmon Run
: Sigma's Hideout
: Clock Town
: I was thinking sort of a moving stage on top of the Shagohod as it is being taken down.
: Including Final Fatnasy's not in Smash, I would go with either the Falcon or the Blackjack from FF6. Probably the Blackjack.
: I was thinking an Inverted Dracula's Castle from when the castle gets inverted in SotN.
: Shopping District, Taiping Road
:Bring back Pac Maze already please.



Also repurposing the boss arenas from Ganon, Marx, and Rathalos into stages would be a no brainer. Work is already done on them, it would be nice to get Ganon's Tower, Milky Way Wishes, and a MH stage.

 

[blackghost]

with bayo in smash they made a conscious effort to stick essentially with bayo 2 default moveset.
they even removed entirely one of the cores of Bayonetta combat which is weapon swapping.
next they reduced her summons to madama butter limbs and gamora final smashes. they then added mechanics where they could.

first here is a video of what astral chain combos look like at the highest level

Sakurai or whoever the director is needs to retain the spirit of that. I don't think making howard stand still would be an answer. thats just not how it works. with action characters like bayo and sora theyve never altered the spirit of who they are they've only simplified it. the other issue of howard stands still and sends out the legion (thanks id forgotten the name too) opponents will not have fun with that design unless they can break it to lock it out for some manner of time.

howard presents similar design issues that tracer did when people proposed her. tracers rewind in smash is a literal nightmare. same with her design of sonic with guns.

not saying it cant be done but i think this would be the hardest character to design they've ever done.

 

[Idon]

with bayo in smash they made a conscious effort to stick essentially with bayo 2 default moveset.
they even removed entirely one of the cores of Bayonetta combat which is weapon swapping.
next they reduced her summons to madama butter limbs and gamora final smashes. they then added mechanics where they could.

first here is a video of what astral chain combos look like at the highest level

Sakurai or whoever the director is needs to retain the spirit of that. I don't think making howard stand still would be an answer. thats just not how it works. with action characters like bayo and sora theyve never altered the spirit of who they are they've only simplified it. the other issue of howard stands still and sends out the legion (thanks id forgotten the name too) opponents will not have fun with that design unless they can break it to lock it out for some manner of time.

howard presents similar design issues that tracer did when people proposed her. tracers rewind in smash is a literal nightmare. same with her design of sonic with guns.

not saying it cant be done but i think this would be the hardest character to design they've ever done.

The simple answer is to not make Howard stand still.
If you look at the combo video you posted, you'll see that the "manual control" method of standing still is never used, rather they use the "send out" and "call back/pull forward" option where the legion is directly sent towards the target not controlled, which makes sense.
Manual control is entirely pointless outside of puzzles/navigation. Even the "wrap" mechanic is better suited in combos with the auto-wrap skill (also featured above), which doesn't require standing still and manually control them.

Trust me, this game is a lot simpler than it appears, optimal Astral Chain play essentially means you never use the AI or sit and "steer" your legion around.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

with bayo in smash they made a conscious effort to stick essentially with bayo 2 default moveset.
they even removed entirely one of the cores of Bayonetta combat which is weapon swapping.
next they reduced her summons to madama butter limbs and gamora final smashes. they then added mechanics where they could.

first here is a video of what astral chain combos look like at the highest level

Sakurai or whoever the director is needs to retain the spirit of that. I don't think making howard stand still would be an answer. thats just not how it works. with action characters like bayo and sora theyve never altered the spirit of who they are they've only simplified it. the other issue of howard stands still and sends out the legion (thanks id forgotten the name too) opponents will not have fun with that design unless they can break it to lock it out for some manner of time.

howard presents similar design issues that tracer did when people proposed her. tracers rewind in smash is a literal nightmare. same with her design of sonic with guns.

not saying it cant be done but i think this would be the hardest character to design they've ever done.

Smash movesets require compromises often. You do not see Steve able to build to his hearts content and make massive structures. You do not see Joker summoning more personas than Arsene. Bayonetta’s combo game is not what it is in her series and her moveset is simplified. It’s not like every single moveset has to be a 1 to 1 model of the gameplay of the series: so long as you capture that core spirit it will suffice. Joker fights alongside his personas to power up. Steve can build and manipulate the map as a result. Bayonetta has access to some basic combos. Min Min’s arms do not reach as far as in Arms but still reach far. So long as Howard accomplishes the basic spirit of Astral Chain, fighting alongside your legion, they can afford to make compromises.

It’s also not like Smash is a stranger to making complex movesets, just look at half the ultimate newcomers. They literally reworked over 100 stages to make Steve work for instance. Even if Howard was this complex 1 to 1 interpretation you think they must be, they wouldn’t be impossible.

Honestly just having Howard capture the basic essence of Astral Chain’s combat and they would be fine. Incorporate a simplified version of Legion combat into the game that encapsulates the raw ideas of the game. So long as you are not hellbent on a 1 to 1 top level Astral Chain interpretation, Howard should be fine. If anything, I think their massive amount of moveset potential helps them.

 

[silenthunder]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

I want to see the pacman stage from 3ds return. also wish Arena Ferox was legal again and hope it comes back. I wouldn't mind a Harvest Moon stage. A galaga stage would be cool. Seeing House of the Dead in the background too. Old school zombie coming at you.

 

[Geno Boost]

curious does Shadow Mewtwo and Robo Mario count as Namco reps?

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

give a damn stage if smash crusade can do it whats stopping official smash game from having one i have been waiting since brawl

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Yuji Naka Reportedly Arrested During Square Enix Insider Trading Investigation

I have to admit, "creator of a character in Smash gets arrested in relation to another franchise that's also in Smash" is not what I had on the bingo card this year.

 

[Oracle Link]

Unless they... y'know... don't.

Maybe this Roster will cheer you up:

 

[Sucumbio]

Maybe this Roster will cheer you up:
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What's the one between midna and zoroark?

 

[fogbadge]

Maybe this Roster will cheer you up:
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hmm that selection of 3rd parties feels really random

What's the one between midna and zoroark?

it appears to be the kirby bosses whispy woods and kracko. whispy jr that is which just makes it an even odder pairing

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

I'd love to see another retro stage that isn't NES-style. Super FX Star Fox or classic Doom, an N64/PS1 stage not based on Smash 64, a pre-rendered DKC or Mortal Kombat stage, a super-primitive Atari 2600; Speccy; or C64 stage, a GBA or DS stage, vector graphics a la Lunar Lander, hell even a later NES game with more advanced graphics like Kirby's Adventure or Castlevania, the sky's the limit!

 

[Garteam]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

I'd love to see the Central Highway from Mega Man X, preferably with a playable X and/or Zero.

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of favourites, what stages do people want to see? Smash ultimate was rather light on new stages, so is there anything you think is missing? Or better yet, what could come with a new series?

Getting something fun and unique like kof stadium or just something really aesthetic like cloud sea is another thing to look forward to.

There’s a ton of stages I’d love to see. Thankfully Stage Builder is good enough that I can make something at least close to what I want to see. Here are some of the stages that I made in Stage Builder that I’d love to see make it in officially one day:

Bowser’s Castle
Bowser in the Sky
Chemical Plant Zone
TETRIS
Central Highway
Fear Factory
Hornet Hole
Bramble Blast
Lakeside Limbo
Stage 1 from Contra III
Item World from Disgaea
Inside a shrine from Breath of the Wild
Khaos Mountain from Battletoads

I’d also love to see a time traveling stage from Chrono Trigger where the Epoch brings you from place to place and drops you off

 

[Geno Boost]

Would you like if next smash bros roster becomes 50% Nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
It makes me wonder how long it will take until nintendo newcomers becomes the least valuable addition we already have seen during DLC that Nintendo reps don’t seem to get much hype in the community in comparison to 3rd parties

 

[Megadoomer]

Would you like if next smash bros roster becomes 50% Nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
It makes me wonder how long it will take until nintendo newcomers becomes the least valuable addition we already have seen during DLC that Nintendo reps don’t seem to get much hype in the community in comparison to 3rd parties

If you mean the roster in total, it will take a long time for that to happen; as of now, third party characters make up maybe 20% of the roster. (18 out of 89)

If you mean the newcomers, I feel like it would depend on who the first party characters are, who the third party characters are, and how many veterans return. (from what we've seen, the base game tends to lean heavier towards first parties, while DLC tends to lean heavier towards third parties, at least for the two (or technically three) games that have had DLC)

I figure I'd be fine with it; the third party picks that we've gotten so far have been consistently great. (at least, I can't think of a single case where I question why the character's here, or I feel like they're promoting something like most of the third party additions in Playstation All Stars)

 

[Gengar84]

Would you like if next smash bros roster becomes 50% Nintendo reps and 50% 3rd party reps
It makes me wonder how long it will take until nintendo newcomers becomes the least valuable addition we already have seen during DLC that Nintendo reps don’t seem to get much hype in the community in comparison to 3rd parties

I think it completely depends on who those characters are. There are plenty of characters I love from both inside Nintendo and out. As long as I like the characters, I’m happy with an even split personally. I did have an idea for a Nintendo vs Microsoft roster with an even split between the two that I really like how it ended up but that’s just one potential direction.