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Last night I dreamt that they added Ms Marvel (Kamala Kahn) and a generic Kangaroo to Smash.
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Hey I mean Splatoon still has its Wii U stage…Here's a game.
Give every franchise with a playable character one more stage.
The catch? It has to be from a newer title from that franchise. Prioritize newer entries.
Octoling - echo for Inkling (they play identically in the source material) that uses different weapons of the same type, resulting in minor statistical differences (some moves are slightly faster or slower, do slightly more or less damage, etc.)Time for a new little game:
You're in charge of an Echo Fighters Pass consisting of 4 new Echo Fighters.
Here're the rules for each Echo you suggest:
- Which original fighter they are derived from?
- How they fit their original fighter's body type?
- Which gameplay difference(s) would they have?
If it's the Tekken one, fine.Last night I dreamt that they added Ms Marvel (Kamala Kahn) and a generic Kangaroo to Smash.
Agree should be RogerIf it's the Tekken one, fine.
I concur. Hayabusa support has blossomed, to the point people are calling him the last NES all star left, warranted or not.Not to me.
The Retronaut crowd really only focuses on one character at a time. First it was Mega Man. Then it was Simon. Now it's Hayabusa.
After we get Hayabusa, focus will shift to Rizer.
The Famitsu containing the last Sakurai Column is now out! As expected, the feature is quite in-depth but @KodyNOKOLO and I will be tackling it!
— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 3, 2021
First up, is an interview focused on Smash Ultimate's DLC. This will take time, so stay tuned to this thread for updates. pic.twitter.com/0tfF92Cj2d
Yeah, my favorite franchise from Atlus is Joker.When it comes to third party guests, it should be noted that pretty much all of them have been either:
A. the top franchises from their respective companies
B. some of the most highly requested characters from the fanbase
Konami: Metal Gear, Castlevania
SEGA: Sonic, Bayonetta, Joker (Atlus)
Capcom: Mega Man, Street Fighter
Bandai Namco: Pac-Man, Tekken
Square-Enix: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest
Microsoft: Banjo-Kazooie, Minecraft (Mojang)
SNK: Fatal Fury (Terry is SNK's mascot)
Disney: Kingdom Hearts (you can count this as Square-Enix if you want, I guess)
Pretty much all of these are either some of the biggest most popular IPs from their respective shareholders and/or were massively requested by fans, like Banjo-Kazooie and Bayonetta, and even those two have a special quirk of basically being Nintendo characters in everything but current ownership, as Nintendo co-owned the former IP with Rare during the N64 era and the latter has become an adopted series of theirs.
It's why I never really thought "smaller" series like Ace Attorney really had great odds. Obviously we still have Resident Evil and Monster Hunter for top series from Capcom, and below those two we have Devil May Cry/Dante, and I don't really see why Nintendo would skip all of them and go straight to AA/Phoenix, unless again, there was a specific level of fan demand for him, which I don't really think he has, honestly.
I know it's been mentioned it's been somewhat translated, but like, wouldn't he have mentioned this after Sora was revealed shortly when he mentioned Banjo & Kazooie were high on the Smash ballot? I mean, that would be something if Banjo and Kazooie are Number 2, but like, I don't know, I think I need to see the translation and possibly it's context. I just think Sakurai would've mentioned it after Sora was revealed rather than continuing saying that Banjo & Kazooie were high on the Smash Ballot.
- Banjo was number two on the ballot right after Sora.
For Steve / Alex, adding the code for blocks on every stage was quite tough and took some time. Enderman also caused some trouble as they blended in with dark backgrounds. Sakurai made multiple quizzes asking the staff where Enderman was located on various screenshots. pic.twitter.com/rrOVxpEl7V
— Kody NOKOLO (@KodyNOKOLO) November 3, 2021
meant Persona, oopsYeah, my favorite franchise from Atlus is Joker.
Going by this logic, I am gonna try to outline who would likely be the main picks for each company going forward. In terms of new companies like Activision or Tecmo their big picks (Crash, Hayabusa) are also pretty solid fan requests in their own right so its kinda moot.When it comes to third party guests, it should be noted that pretty much all of them have been either:
A. the top franchises from their respective companies
B. some of the most highly requested characters from the fanbase
Konami: Metal Gear, Castlevania
SEGA: Sonic, Bayonetta, Persona (Atlus)
Capcom: Mega Man, Street Fighter
Bandai Namco: Pac-Man, Tekken
Square-Enix: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest
Microsoft: Banjo-Kazooie, Minecraft (Mojang)
SNK: Fatal Fury (Terry is SNK's mascot)
Disney: Kingdom Hearts (you can count this as Square-Enix if you want, I guess)
Pretty much all of these are either some of the biggest most popular IPs from their respective shareholders and/or were massively requested by fans, like Banjo-Kazooie and Bayonetta, and even those two have a special quirk of basically being Nintendo characters in everything but current ownership, as Nintendo co-owned the former IP with Rare during the N64 era and the latter has become an adopted series of theirs.
It's why I never really thought "smaller" series like Ace Attorney really had great odds. Obviously we still have Resident Evil and Monster Hunter for top series from Capcom, and below those two we have Devil May Cry/Dante, and I don't really see why Nintendo would skip all of them and go straight to AA/Phoenix, unless again, there was a specific level of fan demand for him, which I don't really think he has, honestly.
Saruman and Wormtongue, scouring the Shire while nobody is paying attention.What about the other NES/retro characters?
Black Shadow - Captain FalconYou're in charge of an Echo Fighters Pass consisting of 4 new Echo Fighters.
Having Pyra and Mythra appear in 8 player Smash was difficult. If Sakurai had to pick one, he would’ve picked Pyra. There were several other considerations to make their fighter work, like one that was just Rex, Rex with Pyra sometimes, Pyra with Rex sometimes, just Pyra, etc. pic.twitter.com/c39q9AABsI
— Kody NOKOLO (@KodyNOKOLO) November 3, 2021
This would've been really interesting, but I have to imagine that a lot of Smashes (especially Down Smashes) would've been too time-consuming to adapt. It would've changed Ultimate quite significantly though (in particular I have to guess that people would start to look for confirms into air smashes). Min Min is interestingly the one character to retain this feature with the punches.PushDustin is translating the final Sakurai famitsu column, and hoo boy is it quite juicy so far.
Significant info translated so far:
- The original project plan for Ultimate had you use Smash attacks in the air, but unfortunately it didn't get added since it was too complicated.
For the Sakurai Presents videos, they came up after Joker’s introduction video cost a lot of $ and time to make. Nintendo came up with the idea of Sakurai presenting the fighters. Each character would introduce something unique, so it was important for them to have presentations. pic.twitter.com/ujJShcZLyD
— Kody NOKOLO (@KodyNOKOLO) November 3, 2021
PushDustin later clarified about thisI know it's been mentioned it's been somewhat translated, but like, wouldn't he have mentioned this after Sora was revealed shortly when he mentioned Banjo & Kazooie were high on the Smash ballot? I mean, that would be something if Banjo and Kazooie are Number 2, but like, I don't know, I think I need to see the translation and possibly it's context. I just think Sakurai would've mentioned it after Sora was revealed rather than continuing saying that Banjo & Kazooie were high on the Smash Ballot.
He doesn't explicitly state that Banjo and Kazooie were number two, just that they were placed under him (I guess it's implied they are the 2nd most requested character in the DLC pass?). Either way they placed very high (and in Japan as well!) https://t.co/b35SkxduDd
— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 3, 2021
Doesn't Robin also have something like that with his Levin Sword?This would've been really interesting, but I have to imagine that a lot of Smashes (especially Down Smashes) would've been too time-consuming to adapt. It would've changed Ultimate quite significantly though (in particular I have to guess that people would start to look for confirms into air smashes). Min Min is interestingly the one character to retain this feature with the punches.
I doubt it. Because now they've established what Pyra/Mythra play like in Smash. Adding Rex would completely change their moveset, and I don't see them doing that.Surely Rex and Pyra can show up together in the next game, right?
Banjo number two is huge. I really hope this finally silences the large amount of Banjo opponents on twitter Ive seen recently. I just recently on twitter saw someone say after Sakurai said Banjo was high on the ballot say "He was probably no higher than 100, he only got in because of Steve". Its so sillyPushDustin is translating the final Sakurai famitsu column, and hoo boy is it quite juicy so far.
The Famitsu containing the last Sakurai Column is now out! As expected, the feature is quite in-depth but @KodyNOKOLO and I will be tackling it!
— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) November 3, 2021
First up, is an interview focused on Smash Ultimate's DLC. This will take time, so stay tuned to this thread for updates. pic.twitter.com/0tfF92Cj2d
Significant info translated so far:
- The original project plan for Ultimate had you use Smash attacks in the air, but unfortunately it didn't get added since it was too complicated.
- Sora's reveal trailer had guidelines by Disney that Sakurai had to follow. He originally had Mario swing a keyblade to open a door, but that changed since Disney veto'd it and said only keyblade wielders can wield keyblades.
- Joker's concept was decided at a difficult time since Sakurai was just finishing the base game. (This could explain why Joker's moveset is the way it is)
- Banjo was number two on the ballot right after Sora.
- Sakurai wanted to make the coolest iteration of Terry Bogard. He knew some younger fans wouldn't know who Terry was but he didn't care. He felt he could make them understand the character via Smash.
- Byleth was worked on before Three Houses released. The build of Three Houses that Sakurai was given was top secret and he couldn't let other employees see him with the build.
I hope that helps the chances of getting another Rare character in the next game or down the line. I would love to see the Battletoads, Fulgore, and Joanna Dark make it into Smash one day. All of these series have had modern reboots or are getting one soon so that should help their odds as well.Banjo number two is huge. I really hope this finally silences the large amount of Banjo opponents on twitter Ive seen recently. I just recently on twitter saw someone say after Sakurai said Banjo was high on the ballot say "He was probably no higher than 100, he only got in because of Steve". Its so silly
I don't know about that. Anyone who genuinely believes Banjo and Kazooie were, at best, the 100th most requested fighter(s) on the ballot is not someone who can be reasoned with. They are either in serious salt-fueled denial, a troll, or a twelve year old who thinks 1998 was so long ago that the only people who remember a cult classic as obscure as Banjo-Kazooie are too old and senile to vote in an online poll.Banjo number two is huge. I really hope this finally silences the large amount of Banjo opponents on twitter Ive seen recently. I just recently on twitter saw someone say after Sakurai said Banjo was high on the ballot say "He was probably no higher than 100, he only got in because of Steve". Its so silly
Absolutely. I specifically didn't vote for Banjo on the ballot because I saw his groundswell of support at the time. I instead voted for Crash and am proud to have done so. I also voted for Cloud about a month before he got in hahaha. That was so satisfying. It was a big told ya so moment for me because everybody absolutely **** on Cloud at the time. Muh appearances on Nintendoconsoles hahaha.The further removed we get from the ballot period, the more you will begin to see people try to speak with authority about an important event they weren't actually attuned to the scene during. You're already seeing people look at the ballot with a current day lens, forgetting how different the trends were back then.
But it should be obvious to anyone who was there that Banjo was extremely popular, and being second place is certainly within the plausible.
Kinda? I'm not sure how to view him since the Levin also upgrades his normal Smashes (apparently the tilts are the ones that aren't upgraded) and Levin's a limited resource with recharge while Min Min can just throw those out at will.Doesn't Robin also have something like that with his Levin Sword?
That doesn't stop though:Guess this really does mean the the reason Kirby doesn't use a Keyblade is a Disney mandate.
Considering that Spencer did voice that wish rather late when it comes to Smash 4 (2014 IIRC) I wouldn't really be surprised if something like that was the case. Where Nintendo could've considered them and Steve (after all, the negotiations for him) but they and Sakurai instead deciding to prioritize the then-ongoing negotiations for Ryu, Cloud and Bayo first.Honestly given Sakurai and company's attention to detail, I wonder if the "most realizable" wasn't just a matter of getting rights, but also of sufficiently getting a fighter right to the point where they were satisfied.
I could easily see a scenario where they could have hypothetically gotten the okay from Microsoft and created Banjo for Smash 4 DLC, but that they felt they didn't have to time or resources to do complete justice to the character.
This is a thing that doesn't just apply to the Ballot, but speculation in general. Trends always keep changing. The Brawl days were very different from today, where Nintendo characters were still focused on than just 3rd Parties since we were aware there were not going to be a whole lot, and we only got Snake and Sonic. But back then, you could talk about a whole bunch of Nintendo characters, even the lesser known ones, without getting looks, like Lip from Panel de Pon, Chibi-Robo, Ray 01 from Custom Robo, the Elite Beat Agents, even frickin' Starfy. Nowadays, you'd get Echo Chamber'd for even suggesting a Nintendo character that isn't Waluigi, Isaac, Bandana Dee or a recent addition.The further removed we get from the ballot period, the more you will begin to see people try to speak with authority about an important event they weren't actually attuned to the scene during. You're already seeing people look at the ballot with a current day lens, forgetting how different the trends were back then.
But it should be obvious to anyone who was there that Banjo was extremely popular, and being second place is certainly within the plausible.
I’m not sure on my timeline, but Chibi-Robo, Ray and Starfy were a bit more relevant than they are today so they might very well fall under “recent additon”This is a thing that doesn't just apply to the Ballot, but speculation in general. Trends always keep changing. The Brawl days were very different from today, where Nintendo characters were still focused on than just 3rd Parties since we were aware there were not going to be a whole lot, and we only got Snake and Sonic. But back then, you could talk about a whole bunch of Nintendo characters, even the lesser known ones, without getting looks, like Lip from Panel de Pon, Chibi-Robo, Ray 01 from Custom Robo, the Elite Beat Agents, even frickin' Starfy. Nowadays, you'd get Echo Chamber'd for even suggesting a Nintendo character that isn't Waluigi, Isaac, Bandana Dee or a recent addition.
And man do I miss the old Nsider forums during the Brawl days, and some of it's posters like Algus.
From my recollection, "recent addition" didn't really become as prominent until Smash 4, when most of the newcomers fit that descriptor. Beforehand people gauged characters largely on their overall impact, with recency being perceived as one quality among many.I’m not sure on my timeline, but Chibi-Robo, Ray and Starfy were a bit more relevant than they are today so they might very well fall under “recent additon”
To some extent, they were in Chibi-Robo and Ray's cases, but Starfy was Japanese-exclusive at the time. A game for Starfy didn't come out to the West until 2009, long after Brawl's release. But still, Chibi-Robo and Ray's games weren't exactly successful, which nowadays feels like an absolute requirement to be included in speculation whereas back then, nobody really cared about a character being from a game that wasn't really successful.I’m not sure on my timeline, but Chibi-Robo, Ray and Starfy were a bit more relevant than they are today so they might very well fall under “recent additon”
We don't know. It's been confirmed he never explicitly stated it, but said something along the lines of that Banjo was behind Sora in the Ballot. Whether that means he was Number 2 or was one of the very high-placed characters behind Sora that was chosen(with the other chosen Ballot characters being behind Banjo) is yet to be confirmed.Also, Banjo at #2? Hell yeah!
I think the issue with "EVERYONE IS HERE" is it just doesn't seem sustainable forever.Sakurai more often than not undersells himself so I could see another “everyone is here” happening if he wanted. Is that what he wants to do though? Who knows? I will say that more often than not re-negotiations are much for fruitful than plain ole negotiations.
Also, Banjo at #2? Hell yeah!