Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[fogbadge]

Genesect is apparently a mythical, so...

wait why is there a divide between legendary and mythical pokémon anyways

I dunno I stopped questioning things in games

 

[DarthEnderX]

You could definitely give Oni an inverse Ridley treatment and jack up his size. But I’m biased because a Street Fighter boss just sounds cool to have in the game. Whether it’s him, Bison, Gill, Seth, etc.

Unfortunately, all the Capcom fighting game bosses that would actually make sense as Smash bosses belong to Marvel...

wait why is there a divide between legendary and mythical pokémon anyways

Legendary Pokemon are super powerful Pokemon that you can't breed to create more of them.

Mythical Pokemon is just the new official name for event Pokemon. They're legendries that aren't obtainable in normal gameplay. You have to get them from special promotional events.

 

[Ivander]

Unfortunately, all the Capcom fighting game bosses that would actually make sense as Smash bosses belong to Marvel...

Abyss belongs to Marvel?

 

[fogbadge]

Legendary Pokemon are super powerful Pokemon that you can't breed to create more of them.

Mythical Pokemon is just the new official name for event Pokemon. They're legendries that aren't obtainable in normal gameplay. You have to get them from special promotional events.

it’s not new though, the distinction was always there in Japan

 

[Ivander]

There isn't a difference between Legendary and Mythical. Mythical just refers to Legendary Pokemon that can only be gotten through Events and not normal means and even then, that meaning sorta gives out when there are some Mythical Pokemon that can be caught normally in some games, like Deoxys in Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Genesect is apparently a mythical, so...

wait why is there a divide between legendary and mythical pokémon anyways

>A robotized version of a prehistoric Pokémon
>"Mythical"

 

[Zerp]

Mythicals are bizarre. Their common traits are (former) event exclusivity, and being banned from VGC + some trading methods. That's pretty much it. The closest thing to another common trait is that they all have a base stat total of 600 in their base form. Or well, they would have if not for Arceus, who has 720 because we love inconsistency here!

Now, does the distinction between legendaries and mythicals matter? I don't know, and honestly, I'm not even sure if Pokémon knows.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I'm not gonna lie, I hadn't really thought about it before, but I would actually love if we got Ogerpon as a fighter. I feel like she could be really fun to mess around with and there's easy material for a Final Smash through her special Terastal forms, plus you could do alt colors with her wearing the different masks since they change her colors already and have a neat effect of each one having a different Terastal form for Final Smash, since all of the masks look different in-game.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Mythicals were just a distinction made so you would be incentivised to shop at your participating Toys R Us location

 

[Gorgonzales]

Mythicals were just a distinction made so you would be incentivised to shop at your participating Toys R Us location

Take me back.

 

[Stratos]

Some fans had thought years ago what I'm writing now, but now I'm thinking about the 10th generation that MAYBE the versions of the 10th generation Pokémon are Pokémon Zero and Pokémon Infinite and those names as I wrote already have others fans for previous generations. But some of us still think about them.

 

[Kirbeh]

Unfortunately, all the Capcom fighting game bosses that would actually make sense as Smash bosses belong to Marvel...

What about Hauzer and the other bosses from Red Earth/Warzard?

I'd honestly argue Huitzil/Phobos and Pyron from Darkstalkers could work too.

 

[SPEN18]

Legendary/mythical Pokemon tend to be inherently disadvantaged. Being locked into postgame-, event-, or DLC-only content makes certain legends a potentially awkward fit for promoting their respective gens and games versus other mons that practically everyone playing will encounter. Lots of these Pokemon also have atypical body types that in some cases could cause moveset creation problems. And then there is also that lots of legendaries, for example box cover mons, are heavily associated to each other in pairs or groups, making it again potentially an awkward fit to play favorites.

I think getting a legendary/mythical in Smash would therefore have to be a confluence of factors: we'd need one that has enough draw to overcome the limited availability that is basically the defining feature of a legendary/mythical Pokemon, has a body type conducive to a Smash moveset, and that makes sense to appear in isolation from its counterparts. And probably also a lack of other clear-cut options to represent that gen. Outside of these niche scenarios, perhaps the only other way would be for the fanbase to really get behind one of them and establish them as a top crowd-pleasing option.

That said, there have definitely been some legendary/mythical Pokemon over the years where you could make a serious case for them, and certainly several that have had very significant popularity; it just hasn't happened outside of Mewtwo.

 

[DarthEnderX]

What about Hauzer and the other bosses from Red Earth/Warzard?

I really doubt Smash is going to spend a Boss slot on a Red Earth character.

 

[RileyXY1]

Phantoon would make a good boss fight.

 

[SPEN18]

As for bosses:
I'd like to see Porky and Rayquaza return.
Mother Brain and Andross are pretty straightforward choices.
Grima could work, that and/or turn Grima's back into a stage. Another FE boss like the Fire Dragon could also work.
Though this is also one area I'd like to get around to putting more detailed thought into.

 

[Amornal1]

I think that ring fit trainee and octoling are locks for the next smash bros.

 

[fogbadge]

I think that ring fit trainee and octoling are locks for the next smash bros.

octoling has a decent shot i would think.

 

[Mamboo07]

As for bosses:
Rayquaza return.

Two words...

Mega. Evolution.

 

[Amornal1]

octoling has a decent shot i would think.

Yeah, and there's is also that both smash 4 and ultimate started with a new ip created by epd. So, yeah, ring fit trainee will be the first newcomer reveaked in the next smash bros

 

[DarthEnderX]

Two words...

Mega. Evolution.

If Raquaza comes back, it's Mega Evolution as a phase 2 is practically a given.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I’m really stunned we went the entire length of nearly 3 years of the Smash Ultimate life cycle and SOMEHOW never got a Boss Rush… what the hell.

The closest thing we got was Sephiroth’s classic mode, which is dope by the way, but would it have been so hard for them to, y’know, give the option to do that as any character?

 

[Perkilator]

I’m really stunned we went the entire length of nearly 3 years of the Smash Ultimate life cycle and SOMEHOW never got a Boss Rush… what the hell.

The closest thing we got was Sephiroth’s classic mode, which is dope by the way, but would it have been so hard for them to, y’know, give the option to do that as any character?

THE SPIRIT REMATCH WAS PERFECT FOR THIS AND THEY JUST DIDN’T

 

[Amornal1]

I think that dragaux from ring fit adventure would work as a boss too.

 

[Mamboo07]

I think that dragaux from ring fit adventure would work as a boss too.

Necrozma from Pokémon as well.

Start off in its normal form and absorb both Solgaleo and Lunala becoming its Ultra transformation.

I imagine it using its attack AKA Light That Burns the Sky where you'll have to quickly defeat Necrozma before the massive ball of light and energy comes crashing down.
(Have it look really small in the background far away but slowly getting bigger and bigger the more closer...)

 

[Perkilator]

I’m working on a new version of my Noah & Mio moveset and the main inspiration for it is the Active Switch system from Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite. Basically, in that moveset, if you press B during a special move, you summon Noah or Mio to perform a variation of their respective special moves called Fusion Arts, and then you switch to who you summoned during the Fusion Art.

All I need is a GIF of each art from the six main heroes so that I have a clearer visual indication of which ones to use. If anyone has any to spare, I’d greatly appreciate it.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I think that ring fit trainee and octoling are locks for the next smash bros.

Octoling at this point I agree. Ring fit I do agree that her chances are fairly high, but I wouldn't call her a lock. If the game got a sequel on Nintendo's next console (similar to Wii fit who had Wii fit U in development at the time Smash 4 roster was chosen, and Wii fit plus was already a thing), then I would argue she would be much closer to a lock. But as a one off game, I could see her being skipped despite the huge sales. I think it will higly depends on when exactly next Smash starts development, I think the more time flies with no new Ring fit, the more her chances decreased. That being said, if they specifically want a new ip then yeah it's definitely going to be Ring fit, but I would argue that they don't really need to add new IP, there's just more than enough stuff to work with already.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Worth noting that marketing aside, mythical pokemon are usually not counted towards pokedex completion, and as such you can get the shiny charm and dex completion certificates without them.

 

[Sucumbio]

I'd love to play as Chikorita, Togepi, Meowth, so many ... in a PokeSmash game.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I'd love to play as Chikorita, Togepi, Meowth, so many ... in a PokeSmash game.

It will be Team Rocket's (with Wobbuffet and the rest in the moveset) or a generic one that only says it's name?

 

[Nickthebrick1]

Hey guys, first post ever.

While the future of smash is uncertain at this point, I think we can all agree it could out shortly after the nexgen console is released. As for characters I was thinking of might be a good pick when I came across this video:

Credits go to the Youtuber FeliciaFan for coming up with the concept. I've been following this series for a while now and I think it's one of his best ones, and a particular choice I don't see getting talked about often.

PH's weapons are mainly his great knife, the great spear and a couple of command grabs. He's essentially a sword user, superheavy weight and grappler combined into one. He uses creative liberties such as using the fog to not only help with PH's mobility but to give him a fitting up-special. His specials also use creative liberties but a references to stuff in the original SH2 game and do fit the theme of his character. While he says it would be pretty interesting to see Snake, Simon and PH to be in the same game he thinks it's not personally likely due to the 'red flags' the SH franchise has.

I disagree about that last part. Sure PH comes from an M rated game and not necessarily directly related with Nintendo but those 'rules' have already been broken. I believe the main problem stems from the fact of keeping him 'relatively family-friendly' while keeping true with his character. Well if you remove the imagery of blood and barbed wire and replace it with fog and rusted chains respectively I think it would alleviate a lot of those problems. His design is basically a guy wearing an iron triangle while wearing a big sword and a dirty apron. And as for the inclusion of SH in smash they don't necessarily have to include everything. I believe a character from Fatal Fury was not included because "Smash was a game for good boys and girls", so just include the things that are passable and omit or elude to things that would raise the age rating. And speaking of the age rating, the ESRB isn't strict as it was before. Because back then I believe they have with Snake's chokehold in Brawl but not in future entries, and we have the imagery of Joker using a handgun to shoot people so there's that too.

I think PH could be a serious contender since not only the franchise is starting to make new content again, PH is the face of the franchise and a very well known horror character, something that is lacking in smash. By the time the next smash bros comes around, new SH content would be too. I would imagine they would try to at least try to include him in, in some form of fashion.

What do you guys think?

 

[Stratos]

The Pokémon anime series was the first to introduce me to the Pokémon franchise. Since Ash and Pikachu have always faced off against Jessie, James, and Meowth, it's generally stuck with me because of this that where there's a Pikachu as a protagonist or even a main character on the protagonist side, the antagonist is a Meowth or at least there is one on the side of their enemies, but I know it is not so. Although it's true that Meowth wouldn't stand out much if he didn't speak a human language. This is generally why I want Meowth as a newcomer to the Super Smash Bros. series.

 

[Sucumbio]

It will be Team Rocket's (with Wobbuffet and the rest in the moveset) or a generic one that only says it's name?

Well, you could have like whatever trainers in the background including Team Rocket, and then have 1 to however stocks/Pokemon to cycle through. And the Meowth in there can have Payday when the trainer selected is not Team Rocket how's that? Even give it the Mario Kart treatment and have diversity with the Trainers as if they're karts and like who has what kinda heal items or other consumables etc.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Well, you could have like whatever trainers in the background including Team Rocket, and then have 1 to however stocks/Pokemon to cycle through. And the Meowth in there can have Payday when the trainer selected is not Team Rocket how's that? Even give it the Mario Kart treatment and have diversity with the Trainers as if they're karts and like who has what kinda heal items or other consumables etc.

Now you made me think about a Pokémon Kart spin-off.
And no, Pokémon Dash doesn't exist, it's a product of your imagination.

 

[Louie G.]

I think PH could be a serious contender since not only the franchise is starting to make new content again, PH is the face of the franchise and a very well known horror character, something that is lacking in smash. By the time the next smash bros comes around, new SH content would be too. I would imagine they would try to at least try to include him in, in some form of fashion.

What do you guys think?

I've thought about this before. Personally I feel like Resident Evil should and probably would get dibs as far as the big iconic horror series are concerned, but I think Pyramid Head is worth at least a bit more acknowledgement. What he has over Resident Evil is that I believe they would opt for someone like Jill or Leon as the face of that series, but I think Pyramid Head would take precedent over the Silent Hill protagonists if that choice was being made.

I think he would be easy enough to censor accordingly. I have to imagine he's appeared in crossover titles with sub-M ratings before and his weapons are not especially controversial compared to the more traditional firearms that a Resident Evil character would have. Personally I think, at the very least, he'd be a dope Mii Costume. I'm not sure I anticipate Pyramid Head joining the fight but I do think it's a good discussion to have - at least one of the more interesting pitches for another Konami character given the reputation of both the character and his origin series. I really hope horror games can get more love in the future.

In general I want to acknowledge - Konami was very lenient during Ultimate to bring back Snake and add Simon and Richter, with a wealth of content, and only had a few mii costumes to speak of beyond that. So they're one collaborator where I can say with confidence there's no upselling like Square Enix. If Nintendo wanted to work safely and affordably in the confines of partners who are 100% gonna be on board, I think we should take the idea of a new Konami character a bit more seriously.

Also FeliciaFan huh? They used to be really active here during the Smash 4 days, I hope they're doing well.

 

[Perkilator]

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Del’s set to remake Lucario. Wonder what he’ll do with the Aura mechanic.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think PH could be a serious contender since not only the franchise is starting to make new content again, PH is the face of the franchise and a very well known horror character, something that is lacking in smash. By the time the next smash bros comes around, new SH content would be too. I would imagine they would try to at least try to include him in, in some form of fashion.

What do you guys think?

I think Pyramid Head would make more sense as an AT.

 

[Noipoi]

Shower thought: You guys think we’ll get a new announcer next game?

The last announcer made the jump from 4 to Ultimate because development started so quickly after 4’s dlc ended, so they kept working with the same people. It was the first time a smash game kept the announcer from the last installment, if I recall correctly.

Seeing as how the next smash will almost certainly have a new team on the game, I wonder if they’ll just get a new guy. Xander Mobus’s voice has become very iconic though, so I could see them getting him back.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Shower thought: You guys think we’ll get a new announcer next game?

The last announcer made the jump from 4 to Ultimate because development started so quickly after 4’s dlc ended, so they kept working with the same people. It was the first time a smash game kept the announcer from the last installment, if I recall correctly.

Seeing as how the next smash will almost certainly have a new team on the game, I wonder if they’ll just get a new guy. Xander Mobus’s voice has become very iconic though, so I could see them getting him back.

Since Ultimate was basically built off of Smash 4, I feel like next game will go for a new one like they did every game except Ultimate.

Even then though, it's not like Xander will be going anywhere since he's the voice of Joker and I'm very convinced Joker is safe since SEGA owns Atlus and characters like Sonic are almost certainly coming back.

 

[Nickthebrick1]

I think Pyramid Head would make more sense as an AT.

Why's that?